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  • Registered Users Posts: 750 ✭✭✭ nimrod86
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    So good and bad news...

    Good news: I was sent home from work last night

    Bad news part 1: my workplace is still open and acting as though nothing is going on as far as production is concerned (no slowdown and we are by no means essential)

    Bad news part 2: I have been requesting to my manager that I want to work from home for over a week, and made him aware that I live with family who are considered high risk. Last night when a colleague came in, worked close to me for 90 minutes, then told me his wife works in the HSE and is now waiting for a test because she developed a cough and tight chest two days earlier. He was sent home. I fairly lost it at this point, and my manager sent me home, not because I'm capable of working from home (which I am, this was ability was set up last week), but because he now felt my stress and anxiety levels were at a point that I might make mistakes and pose a risk to myself in the workplace, then in the same breath asked would I work the rest of the night shift from home... of course I said no.

    Bad news part 3: The factory I work in still has hundred of people per day coming to work, sharing canteens, and I have observed numerous people coughing into hands before handling cups, opening doors, etc... A mail came out from a corporate level telling us how we're all doing a great job keeping production going with minimal impact, and said
    “if you are unable to conduct your work in a manner that maintains a two meter/six feet distance between you and your co-worker, and your close proximity work lasts more than 30 minutes, then talk to your supervisor about what can be done”
    which to me suggests they are telling employees that ignoring HSE guidelines is grand! 29 minutes breathing on each other while working in cramped areas is no bother, 30 is where it gets dodgy...

    There needs to be a way to report businesses that are staying open and claiming to be following guidelines, when people in them on the floor can clearly see this is not the case! I know for certain that my workplace wouldn't dream of stopping unless ordered too, there hasn't even been mention to workers about contingency plans for when people are inevitability getting sick. For the record we've already had one confirmed case on site.

    So far I've kind of won, I'm off site and working from home from next week (taking a break this week, normally I'd try get a Doc's note for stress, but I'm not taking up their time at the moment) , but when eventually this all calms down they can be damn sure I'll be fighting to make sure it's recorded that I was sent home for the wrong reason, and that their inaction and lack of understanding of my family situation caused the stress and distraction that they then felt was unsafe.

    /rant over


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]
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    I have a relative working in a legal firm in Dublin. The solicitors are all working from home but everyone else is expected in, even after today's announcement. They say they don't have enough laptops yet to allow working from home for everyone, and certain admin tasks have to be done in the office. They seem to consider their service 'essential' even though the courts are closed.

    Is there anywhere this crowd can be reported to?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭ rapul
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    Does anyone know if you have started a new job last few weeks and are still on probation but need the 2 weeks off for self isolation can you be let go? I'm worried that I'm sick due a dry persistent cough getting worse for few days now and will ring my gp when they open but I'm afraid I could loose my job just how they are to be honest about being sick in general, have searched for info but can't find any.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭ Miike
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    No specific advice for your job potentially letting you go but I urge you to follow public health guidance as self-isolate if you're symptomatic. No one wants to establish another cluster.

    I know your concerns about your job are very real but so is the risk of death for many if clusters keep popping up across the nation. If an employer lets you go for not taking a deadly virus into the work place, are they the kind of employer you would want to work for long term?

    DOH has a guide for accessing money via Dept. of Social protection if you need it. Be clever, be responsible, stay safe and get well soon.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭ rapul
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    Thanks for the reply, I'm aware how serious this is alrite, I'm going to ring my gp when they are open and see, just wondering on the work side is all. I won't be going in today anyway unless the gp says it's ok.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭ Miike
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    rapul wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply, I'm aware how serious this is alrite, I'm going to ring my gp when they are open and see, just wondering on the work side is all. I won't be going in today anyway unless the gp says it's ok.

    Is the new job in the public service?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭ rapul
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    Miike wrote: »
    Is the new job in the public service?

    Pharmaceuticals


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭ Sunny Disposition
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    My son has a job in an arena that is a designated service, so he will be working next week.
    However his employer is insisting that him and his co workers all go into the office rather than work from home. They could easily work from home, the employer just wants to show authority, he’s a bit like that.
    Can they legally refuse to go in and keep their jobs? The employee is clearly being irresponsible, but is what he is doing illegal?


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 84,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight
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    This is what the Govt website says if he wants to query it.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/
    Essential services

    everyone who can work from home must work from home. This includes essential workers and workers in essential government, utilities or other functions
    adult community education centres and local community centres are closed
    all essential services should ensure safe working conditions are in place
    specific advice will be available from the Health and Safety Authority


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭ Sunny Disposition
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    Thanks,seems very clear. What idiots for not allowing them work at home.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 66,531 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty
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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭ loveisdivine
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    I asked this in another thread but it got lost.

    My husband works in the warehouse packing orders for an online beauty company, his boss text today to say business as usual next week.

    Is this allowed under new rules? Surely they should be closing for the 2 weeks as make up and fake tan aren’t an essential service.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭ Badly Drunk Boy
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    I shouldn't be working but I am. My job isn't essential but 'nice to be have'. Since I started this post, I've volunteered a week of my holidays. I'm taking next week off (using my holidays) just because I have the holidays to take, and I've no plans for real holidays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭ tdf7187
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    By what possible standard is the lottery an essential service? I'm thinking of their staff who are presumably being forced to continue working.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,753 ✭✭✭ secman
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    By what possible standard is the lottery an essential service? I'm thinking of their staff who are presumably being forced to continue working.

    I would also question how off licences are deemed essential, if they are deemed to be under the heading of beverages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭ Foweva Awone
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    secman wrote: »
    I would also question how off licences are deemed essential, if they are deemed to be under the heading of beverages.

    If off-licenses were suddenly closed, many alcoholics would almost certainly need to be hospitalised to treat their withdrawal symptoms - it is extremely dangerous for a heavy drinker to stop suddenly without medical supervision and intervention. That's hardly what hospitals need right now, even more emergency beds being taken up by people detoxing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭ tdf7187
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    If off-licenses were suddenly closed, many alcoholics would almost certainly need to be hospitalised to treat their withdrawal symptoms - it is extremely dangerous for a heavy drinker to stop suddenly without medical supervision and intervention. That's hardly what hospitals need right now, even more emergency beds being taken up by people detoxing.

    Yep. Normal drinkers dont get that though and in general have no sympathy for the alcoholic. You can die from withdrawal symptoms, unlike with most illegal drugs. it is rare but it does happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭ Foweva Awone
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Yep. Normal drinkers dont get that though and in general have no sympathy for the alcoholic. You can die from withdrawal symptoms, unlike with most illegal drugs. it is rare but it does happen.

    I know it too well, I've been hospitalised for alcohol withdrawals more times than a "normal" drinker has had hangovers! :o Thankfully not in recent years though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭ Kerry25x
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Yep. Normal drinkers dont get that though and in general have no sympathy for the alcoholic. You can die from withdrawal symptoms, unlike with most illegal drugs. it is rare but it does happen.

    Whether you have sympathy or not the hospitals don't need that burden. Looking after alcoholics in withdrawal can be very difficult and time consuming when they start getting shaky, aggitated, hallucinating etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭ kerryjack
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    Son works for a civil engineering company that does work for Irish water, its business as usual in the morning his told, I would prefer if he stayed at home for 2 weeks what ye think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭ seefin


    kerryjack wrote: »
    Son works for a civil engineering company that does work for Irish water, its business as usual in the morning his told, I would prefer if he stayed at home for 2 weeks what ye think.

    Irish water is essential services so I can see why they'd still be operating as usual


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,566 ✭✭✭ Jim_Hodge
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    He's linked to an essential service. My son in law is in a utility business and has to work too. My daughter is a nurse, so we're really worried for her. But these are the times when people step up to the mark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ homewardbound11
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    I’m finding employers are using “angles” to maintain its normal business .

    Being essential service is flouted especially where for example in one company I know a significantly small part of their business is insurance . They then deemed all the workers related to the significant business all have to come in also .when in reality it is only one one or two people who deal with the insurance part .

    In another business they are using essential services to maintain normal business that includes travel country wide to maintain equipment in companies such as soft drinks, a college research group, a research group with farming related activities . What I’m saying it should be essential services to support infrastructure to support the fight against this pandemic .

    I’m pretty sure if the op was asked to support only the Irish water part of the business and travel only when absolutely necessary then it would be acceptable .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ kravmaga
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    @OP, your son is under the umbrella of providing an essential service even if he is not directly employed by Irish Water, he is a sub contractor.

    See list of Irish Government essential workers

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0328/1127041-list-essential-jobs/


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭ seannash
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    kerryjack wrote: »
    Son works for a civil engineering company that does work for Irish water, its business as usual in the morning his told, I would prefer if he stayed at home for 2 weeks what ye think.

    Its his choice, he can take annual leave for the next two weeks.
    Am i right in thinking you or he wants to isolate for 2 weeks and be paid also? Of thats the case tell him to tale PTO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭ kerryjack
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    We live in a small community here and he travels to limerick every day and He lives with us at the minute and don't want him to bring the virus back here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 750 ✭✭✭ nimrod86
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    I’m finding employers are using “angles” to maintain its normal business .

    Being essential service is flouted especially where for example in one company I know a significantly small part of their business is insurance . They then deemed all the workers related to the significant business all have to come in also .when in reality it is only one one or two people who deal with the insurance part .

    In another business they are using essential services to maintain normal business that includes travel country wide to maintain equipment in companies such as soft drinks, a college research group, a research group with farming related activities . What I’m saying it should be essential services to support infrastructure to support the fight against this pandemic .

    I’m pretty sure if the op was asked to support only the Irish water part of the business and travel only when absolutely necessary then it would be acceptable .

    Yep, agree with what you're saying. Far too many large and small businesses using the vague list to decide their profits are essential over employee health. Only a matter of time before the choice is taken from them as their workforce gets sick...


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