Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

Muahahaha

That news from South Korea of them shutting down 2,100 pubs and clubs after another outbreak of the virus was linked back to their venues is not good news for the pubs here.

SEOUL HAS SHUT down more than 2,100 nightclubs, hostess bars and discos after dozens of coronavirus infections were linked to clubgoers who went out last weekend as South Korea relaxed social distancing guidelines.

The measures imposed by mayor Park Won-soon came after the national government urged entertainment venues around the nation to close or enforce anti-virus measures, including distancing, temperature checks, keeping customer lists and requiring employees to wear masks.

Park said the closures will be maintained until the city concludes that infections risks have been meaningfully lowered. South Korea’s Centres for Disease Control and Prevention earlier said 18 fresh cases were reported in the 24 hours to midnight on Friday, all but one of them linked to a 29-year-old man who visited three clubs in the capital’s Itaewon district last Saturday before testing positive on Tuesday.

But Park said 16 more cases were confirmed in Seoul alone in the following hours.

https://www.thejournal.ie/seoul-gangnam-5095091-May2020/

josephsoap

Do you think we will witness the demise of the pubs/discos here when they re open?

https://www.thejournal.ie/seoul-gangnam-5095091-May2020/

We can see here in the above link when the restrictions measures where relaxed in Seoul when pubs/discos opened a spike in Covid 19 infections resulted.

The vintners association are very eager for the pubs to re open.

I personally, would be very reluctant this year to visit a pub, when they reopen.

Perhaps culture may change and we may socialise in different ways.

biko

No

Definitely not. I can see more people going back to them (once they’re back to normal) and appreciating what we had in a lot of them.

They really shouldn’t open for a long time yet though. The VFI’s proposals are that preposterous and unworkable that it’s clear that all they want is the thumbs up to open the doors again and then do whatever they like once they are.

Mister Vain

josephsoap wrote: »

Do you think we will witness the demise of the pubs/discos here when they re open?

Well hopefully it will put an end to getting dragged out onto the dance floor on work nights out.

Tchaikovsky

This is surely one of the worst articles ever written:

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/editors-picks/virus-call-time-dublins-famous-18219277

The subheading is "What next for the capital's 700 pubs have been shut and the thousands of staff sent home since March 15 due to a disease that travelled thousands of miles from a Far East wild food market"
Seriously?

castletownman

I have done a bit of research and noticed that Tony Holohan has been a vocal critic of the alcohol culture in Ireland for a while now. One article I found dates back to March 2012, when he expresses his concern of impact in alcohol on society, just in time for St.Patrick's Day of course:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0315/314731-alcohol/

So it must be a dream come true for him to be able to close the pubs for a sustained period of time, and have them suffer economically longer than almost every other business in the country in terms of when they will open again.

RoryMac

castletownman wrote: »

I have done a bit of research and noticed that Tony Holohan has been a vocal critic of the alcohol culture in Ireland for a while now. One article I found dates back to March 2012, when he expresses his concern of impact in alcohol on society, just in time for St.Patrick's Day of course:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0315/314731-alcohol/

So it must be a dream come true for him to be able to close the pubs for a sustained period of time, and have them suffer economically longer than almost every other business in the country in terms of when they will open again.

I think you'll find every public health representative world wide is a vocal critic of alcohol culture

Jizique

RoryMac wrote: »

I think you'll every public health representative world wide is a vocal critic of alcohol culture

there will be something seriously wrong in this country if the pubs open before the schools

Snow Garden

castletownman wrote: »

So it must be a dream come true for him to be able to close the pubs for a sustained period of time, and have them suffer economically longer than almost every other business in the country in terms of when they will open again.

Have you ever been in A&E on a Saturday night after the pubs and night clubs close?
No health professional should have to endure it.

castletownman

Snow Garden wrote: »

Have you ever been in A&E on a Saturday night after the pubs and night clubs close?
No health professional should have to endure it.

No. And I find it hard to believe that A&E is that overwhelmed on Saturday nights due to solely drink-related incidents.

There must be some crazy **** going on on nights out that I am unaware of.

Ban all contact sports and extreme sports also.

LuasSimon

castletownman wrote: »

No. And I find it hard to believe that A&E is that overwhelmed on Saturday nights due to solely drink-related incidents.

There must be some crazy **** going on on nights out that I am unaware of.

Next door neighbor who works in A&E said Saturday nights were always bad with drunks but most had fallen and hurt themselves or might have got a box and lost teeth etc ...nowadays its full of Conor McGregor types off their game on cocaine or whoever got hammered by coke heads , far more violent than it ever was before

Vinnie222

castletownman wrote: »

No. And I find it hard to believe that A&E is that overwhelmed on Saturday nights due to solely drink-related incidents.

There must be some crazy **** going on on nights out that I am unaware of.

Almost a third of all patients that come to Irish hospital emergency department on Saturday nights are alcohol-related.

castletownman

But we're told hospitals are eerily quiet now, and that its the ICU capacity that needs to be controlled. Don't see how ICU can be overwhelmed by a few rural bars opening down the country.

Just like the confirmed cases and deaths, A & E figures are surely over-skewered by the fact Dublin is more populated than the rest of the country.

snotboogie

castletownman wrote: »

But we're told hospitals are eerily quiet now, and that its the ICU capacity that needs to be controlled. Don't see how ICU can be overwhelmed by a few rural bars opening down the country.

Just like the confirmed cases and deaths, A & E figures are surely over-skewered by the fact Dublin is more populated than the rest of the country.

There is more than a few rural bars "down the country" have you ever been to the A&E in the CUH?

RebelRising18

So whats people's plans for a summer of socialising without the pub?

listermint

Vinnie222 wrote: »

Almost a third of all patients that come to Irish hospital emergency department on Saturday nights are alcohol-related.

So two thirds aren't then..

Spanish Eyes

I am amazed at the way most people have adapted to a "no pub" situation.

Maybe the day of the pub as we knew it before is done I dunno.

Well by the looks of it, it might help A+E departments, despite the amateur statisticians trying to prove otherwise. But anyway, obviously having a few beers at home is not as dangerous.

Obviously different in rural areas in the back of beyond, where the Guard turns a blind eye and you can drive home half cut.

That's not right either, but Healy Raes think otherwise, well of course they do.

Spanish Eyes

RebelRising18 wrote: »

So whats people's plans for a summer of socialising without the pub?

Saying a few prayers for sunshine. Cleaning the BBQ, and hoping the off licenses and supermarkets continue to sell grog.

Feck the publicans. They never ever even put a bowl of peanuts or crisps out for their punters. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

They wanted MUP, well hello.... the off licenses and supermarkets are doing the trade now lol. Sorry to gloat.

giveitholly

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Saying a few prayers for sunshine. Cleaning the BBQ, and hoping the off licenses and supermarkets continue to sell grog.

Feck the publicans. They never ever even put a bowl of peanuts or crisps out for their punters. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

They wanted MUP, well hello.... the off licenses are doing the trade now lol. Sorry to gloat.

Would u really like to be eating crisps or peanuts out of bowls that other people would have had their hands in after coming out of the toilet and prob not washing their hands? Disgusting when you think about it

giveitholly

giveitholly wrote: »

Would u really like to be eating crisps or peanuts out of bowls that other people would have had their hands in after coming out of the toilet and prob not washing their hands? Disgusting when you think about it

When you’ve had a few and they’re free you soon come to terms with it.

pgj2015

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Saying a few prayers for sunshine. Cleaning the BBQ, and hoping the off licenses and supermarkets continue to sell grog.

Feck the publicans. They never ever even put a bowl of peanuts or crisps out for their punters. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

They wanted MUP, well hello.... the off licenses and supermarkets are doing the trade now lol. Sorry to gloat.

Exactly, theres nothing I like more than eating peanuts that other people have touched with their hands after going to the toilet and not washing their hands.

giveitholly

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

When you’ve had a few and they’re free you soon come to terms with it.

Thats true

Spanish Eyes

Oh FGS can you lot not read subtlety when you see it?

The point is there is NOTHING that publicans provide to keep us there. They don't give a shiny *

Could have sealed packets of crisps and nuts then, how would that suit your super hygienic agenda?

The pubs have relied on us not giving out about anything. And they never cared really. I doubt many will go back TBH. For what? a pint two metres away. Get away.

Glad MUP is gone for now anyway. The feckers.

pgj2015

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh FGS can you lot not read subtlety when you see it?

The point is there is NOTHING that publicans provide to keep us there. They don't give a shiny *

Could have sealed packets of crisps and nuts then, how would that suit your super hygienic agenda?

The pubs have relied on us not giving out about anything. And they never cared really. I doubt many will go back TBH. For what? a pint two metres away. Get away.

Glad MUP is gone for now anyway. The feckers.

I agree, all publicans are the same just like all Irish people are the same, all old people etc.

pubs will be booming again this time next year, maybe even at Christmas this year hopefully. if you don't like them, you can stay at home.

people are hardly going to meet the love of their life sitting at home are they?

Grandeeod

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh FGS can you lot not read subtlety when you see it?

The point is there is NOTHING that publicans provide to keep us there. They don't give a shiny *

Could have sealed packets of crisps and nuts then, how would that suit your super hygienic agenda?

The pubs have relied on us not giving out about anything. And they never cared really. I doubt many will go back TBH. For what? a pint two metres away. Get away.

Glad MUP is gone for now anyway. The feckers.

I was a twice a week pub goer for early evening quiet pints with my wife when we were flush. Maybe once a forthnight in a foodie pub if lucky. It was usually our local hotel with our daughter. Initially I missed it, but that was just a hammer blow reaction. I've settled down into rethinking it now and I'm in no rush to get back to the pub scene when it reopens. Apart from the obvious bedlam that will take place, I'm looking at what it cost me on my own or me and my missus for a simple few drinks and a taxi home. Even on a reduced income and having a few scoops at home and cooking, I can see the financial difference. I would be in the camp of best of luck to them without me.

Spanish Eyes

pgj2015 wrote: »

I agree, all publicans are the same just like all Irish people are the same, all old people etc.

pubs will be booming again this time next year, maybe even at Christmas this year hopefully. if you don't like them, you can stay at home.

people are hardly going to meet the love of their life sitting at home are they?

I have no issue with things reopening for those who want it to happen. None whatsoever.

Just musing that 8 weeks on there hasn't been the same angst regarding pubs as there has re gyms for example!

Tinder or the like is an option for the love of your life too remember!

kenmc

I can't see how pubs can open with social distance in place. "Oh we'll have table service, a Rota for toilet, max 6 at a table etc"

That's fine and dandy but one of two things likely happen. Big chunk of pubs won't open cos they can't make money like that. Those that do likely to have a scrum outside of people trying to get in for a pint.

Or people say "fcuk it, not worth the hassle" and stay home, and pubs do very little business and don't stay open.

opinionated3

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Saying a few prayers for sunshine. Cleaning the BBQ, and hoping the off licenses and supermarkets continue to sell grog.

Feck the publicans. They never ever even put a bowl of peanuts or crisps out for their punters. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

They wanted MUP, well hello.... the off licenses and supermarkets are doing the trade now lol. Sorry to gloat.

Won't get a nice creamy pint of Guinness in the offy though ...... Those ones out of the cans just aren't the same imo