COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Micky 32

kingbhome wrote: »

It's probably been answered alot on here but it's my first time in this thread and don't have the time to go through it all to see the response.

What is the process for those that are saying they won't be vaccinated. Some saying that they won't be allowed in the work place, theyll be cut off from society and left to die without any government supports or even quarantine camps untill they accept the vaccine.

My view on this vaccine I sit on the fence as I'm in no way educated enough to know how safe or non safe they are. Both sides of the debate have valid evidence on who's right and wrong which to me, is destressing.

I reckon if no one takes the vaccine they’ll realise Tony won’t be lifting restrictions so people might start to think twice about not taking it. I reckon more people will take this than you think.

kingbhome

polesheep wrote: »

The fact that the country went into lockdown and spent billions to save lives knocks this mad theory on the head.

I don't get you. The government aren't really spending there own money. They are barrowing it which has to be paid back in future generations.

If that isn't the case then what is going to happen to the people who refuse a vaccine. Is it going to be as devastating as they say it is.

Deeper Blue

kingbhome wrote: »

There's evidence out there that shows they aren't so idiotic as some believe when you go digging in the mass of information about vaccines however as said in my first post, I sit on the fence so I'm not really here for a whataboutry posts back and forth. And the people arguing on boths sides still hold there own beliefs after all that time arguing then what's the actul point in it. Only wasted time on both sides and time is something I value highly.

I've looked, they're every bit as idiotic as people believe.

I'm sure you're "on the fence" alright

Thierry12

El Sueño wrote: »

Source for that?

They said the other day that it was 94% effective in over 65s which to me seems as good as it gets

Been discussed on reddit

Not an academic study or anything, same as here

kingbhome

Micky 32 wrote: »

I reckon if no one takes the vaccine they’ll realise Tony won’t be lifting restrictions so people might start to think twice about not taking it. I reckon more people will take this than you think.

I do believe that more will take it than what I think aswell however for the ones that refuse(which was 49% on a stat I seen) what will happen is what I want to know. I've been reading kids won't be allowed into a hooks, people refused entry to work, not allowed into a hospital, doctors , no social welfare for those on it and worse, thrown into quarantine camps untill they accept the new norm. History has shown anything is possible with governments.

kingbhome

El Sueño wrote: »

I've looked, they're every bit as idiotic as people believe.

I'm sure you're "on the fence" alright

You sound like the type that just loves an internet argument with your condescending views. As I've mentioned before, I'm not hear for the arguments a d calling people with a different view point idiotic.

Deeper Blue

kingbhome wrote: »

You sound like the type that just loves an internet argument with your condescending views. As I've mentioned before, I'm not hear for the arguments a d calling people with a different view point idiotic.

There is no argument. Any sensible person knows that anti vaxxers are morons

Thierry12

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure where your reading this, haven't seen anything of the sort and would go against existing findings.

UK started a rolling review, EU started one a good while ago.

We don't get the exact ages, that'll be in the data submitted to regulators, however the Independent board found 94% effiency in those over the age of 65 based on the trial data.

The 2 dose regime is to ensure the best possible immune response in everyone. Of course as you get older the immune system slows down but there's been no indication of issues based on the trial data submitted to the independent boards

That's encouraging

From my reading they are discussing about much older than 65, nursing home demographic etc, its probably bull**** rumour hopefully.

Did you read anything about challenge trials for any of these vaccines

As good as the data is now, without a challenge trial and deliberately infecting people are we still kind of guessing its efficacy?

People that sign up for vaccine trials are not your average fool who dont believe in masks, vaccines etc

polesheep

kingbhome wrote: »

I don't get you. The government aren't really spending there own money. They are barrowing it which has to be paid back in future generations.

If that isn't the case then what is going to happen to the people who refuse a vaccine. Is it going to be as devastating as they say it is.

No it won't, in case you haven't noticed we live in a caring society. Who are 'they' by the way?

Thierry12

El Sueño wrote: »

There is no argument. Any sensible person knows that anti vaxxers are morons

Needs context

If your a 20 year old elite athlete and don't want a flu jab are you a moron?

pgj2015

Thierry12 wrote: »

Needs context

If your a 20 year old elite athlete and don't want a flu jab are you a moron?

apparently jack byrne thought he was going to die when he got the virus. elite athletes aren't immune to covid. I wouldnt fancy the long term effects either.

https://www.sundayworld.com/news/ireland-ace-jack-byrne-reveals-his-terrifying-experience-with-covid-and-warns-young-people-that-the-virus-is-not-just-targeting-vulnerable-victims-39747743.html

Deeper Blue

Thierry12 wrote: »

Needs context

If your a 20 year old elite athlete and don't want a flu jab are you a moron?

I accept that there are certain people that can't take vaccines for health reasons etc, but they're a small minority.

I'm referring to the "government agenda" and "nobody tells me what to do" brigade, all of whom I would consider morons.

Miike

Thierry12 wrote: »

That's encouraging

From my reading they are discussing about much older than 65, nursing home demographic etc, its probably bull**** rumour hopefully.

Did you read anything about challenge trials for any of these vaccines

As good as the data is now, without a challenge trial and deliberately infecting people are we still kind of guessing its efficacy?

People that sign up for vaccine trials are not your average fool who dont believe in masks, vaccines etc

That goes both ways. 162 cases in placebo group and 8 in the active arm, both arms blind to their vaccine. Each person in each group would fall into "not your average fool who dont believe in masks, vaccines etc". Those numbers aren't a statistical blip

funnydoggy

I was questioned earlier on reddit that why did I, a 30 year old with no underlying conditions, get the flu vaccine.

My answer, "I don't want to get the flu"

Same could be said for COVID. I understand that it's significantly less risk for the younger population but I don't think anyone wants to get it.

(I know I can still get a different strain if the flu but I'm protected from one anyway)

Necro

Mod:

I'm threadbanning the next poster who starts posting stuff about anti-vax, read the OP it is not a discussion permitted in this thread

Stheno

kingbhome wrote: »

I do believe that more will take it than what I think aswell however for the ones that refuse(which was 49% on a stat I seen) what will happen is what I want to know. I've been reading kids won't be allowed into a hooks, people refused entry to work, not allowed into a hospital, doctors , no social welfare for those on it and worse, thrown into quarantine camps untill they accept the new norm. History has shown anything is possible with governments.

Do you seriously believe the tripe you're spouting? People thrown into quarantine camps?

Ireland is not China you know

Now I suspect the company i work for will bring in a rule that differentiates between those vaccinated and those not, with exceptions for those who for medical reasons cannot get the vaccine and I'm fine with that

I've a couple of antivax colleagues and if they are not allowed go to the office thats tough

I'd much rather get back to some semblance of normality and be able to go to the office knowing my colleagues have been vaccinated

Thierry12

Stheno wrote: »

I'd much rather get back to some semblance of normality and be able to go to the office knowing my colleagues have been vaccinated

Just a question

Why would them being vaccinated make you feel more comfortable?

You'll be vaccinated and immune

Whether they are vaccinated or not makes no difference to you

They are not going to make you sick

PS dont thread ban me mod

Move post if you please

ixoy

I know it's the Journal and all but... I'm hoping that the posters there aren't indicative of much of the population as otherwise there's going to be a big struggle to get a good chunk of the population to take up any vaccine.

Thierry12

Miike wrote: »

That goes both ways. 162 cases in placebo group and 8 in the active arm, both arms blind to their vaccine. Each person in each group would fall into "not your average fool who dont believe in masks, vaccines etc". Those numbers aren't a statistical blip

True

Of course it works, no one can argue with that data

Just challenge trials are grade A and we learn way more

Suprising we don't have one

jackboy

ixoy wrote: »

I know it's the Journal and all but... I'm hoping that the posters there aren't indicative of much of the population as otherwise there's going to be a big struggle to get a good chunk of the population to take up any vaccine.

The vulnerable will get the vaccine first. The health of a lot of these people is very poor. If lots of them don’t have severe adverse reactions to the vaccine then we can be pretty sure that it’s reasonably safe. In that case I would expect that most of the general public will be queuing up for it.

Miike

ixoy wrote: »

I know it's the Journal and all but... I'm hoping that the posters there aren't indicative of much of the population as otherwise there's going to be a big struggle to get a good chunk of the population to take up any vaccine.

I think a lot of people here get off on being obtuse online, I choose to believe they are ordinary, decent, intelligent human beings in the real world. I know there's a few who definitely believe the tripe they spout but a little piece of me wants to believe that 90% of these people aren't as..... vacant as their posts portray.

Thierry12

jackboy wrote: »

The vulnerable will get the vaccine first. The health of a lot of these people is very poor. If lots of them don’t have severe adverse reactions to the vaccine then we can be pretty sure that it’s reasonably safe. In that case I would expect that most of the general public will be queuing up for it.

That sounds like an expirement!

Stheno

Thierry12 wrote: »

Just a question

Why would them being vaccinated make you feel more comfortable?

You'll be vaccinated and immune

Whether they are vaccinated or not makes no difference to you

They are not going to make you sick

PS dont thread ban me mod

Move post if you please

Its just something that would make me feel ok tbh

It may not be rational i admit

kingbhome

Stheno wrote: »

Do you seriously believe the tripe you're spouting? People thrown into quarantine camps?

Ireland is not China you know

Now I suspect the company i work for will bring in a rule that differentiates between those vaccinated and those not, with exceptions for those who for medical reasons cannot get the vaccine and I'm fine with that

I've a couple of antivax colleagues and if they are not allowed go to the office thats tough I'm

I'd much rather get back to some semblance of normality and be able to go to the office knowing my colleagues have been vaccinated

It's not tripe. Was the Australian and the canidian governments not spouting this just recently. If these countries where stating these sort of measures, it wouldn't be strange for an Irish government to follow suit. Ireland is not the Ireland we all grew up in. Once europe took over we now belong to them and whatever measures they decided to do, then the government will enforce them.

Thierry12

Stheno wrote: »

Its just something that would make me feel ok tbh

It may not be rational i admit

Understandable I get you

I'll be getting vaccine but wont bother me in slightest if my colleagues don't

kingbhome

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

I'm threadbanning the next poster who starts posting stuff about anti-vax, read the OP it is not a discussion permitted in this thread

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.


Is there anti vax,. Anti vacation agenda threads here on boards?

Miike

kingbhome wrote: »

It's not tripe. Was the Australian and the canidian governments not spouting this just recently. If these countries where stating these sort of measures, it wouldn't be strange for an Irish government to follow suit. Ireland is not the Ireland we all grew up in. Once europe took over we now belong to them and whatever measures they decided to do, then the government will enforce them.

You should compete in the Olympics. You're a gold medalist standard at jumping to conclusions.

ACitizenErased

kingbhome wrote: »

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.


Is there anti vax,. Anti vacation agenda threads here on boards?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058112542

ceegee

Thierry12 wrote: »

Understandable I get you

I'll be getting vaccine but wont bother me in slightest if my colleagues don't

It will if you're one of the 5% it doesn't work properly for.

Loafing Oaf

kingbhome wrote: »

Anti vacation agenda threads here on boards?

I hate holidays