COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

tobefrank321

El Sueño wrote: »

That poster previously claimed to have invented a vaccine. Honestly I wouldn't even bother.

I'd ask him what the vaccine was but he'd probably say it was "top secret".

tobefrank321

Denny61 wrote: »

Has anyone thought about the situation that will arise when our front line workers and elderly are given the vaccine first..are they told that now they can leave off their ppe .masks visors Gowns gloves .and hand sanitiser no longer be necessary. Cos first of all if they do that. We will not know if they will have a immunity built up towards the vaccine and plus if they are still then told to leave on the ppe ..we will then not know if they have the immunity built up as they are not open to the virus cos they have all the protection on..this is the scenario that awaits us

At the risk of bursting bubbles a 95% effective vaccine doesn't work for 5%. We may never know who that 5% are. Our best hope is herd immunity via the vaccine. We will require close to 100% take up in healthcare workers and anyone who refuses to take it, will have to be kept well away from vulnerable patients as they may pass on the virus to the 5% who may not be.

polesheep

tobefrank321 wrote: »

At the risk of bursting bubbles a 95% effective vaccine doesn't work for 5%. We may never know who that 5% are. Our best hope is herd immunity via the vaccine. We will require close to 100% take up in healthcare workers and anyone who refuses to take it, will have to be kept well away from vulnerable patients as they may pass on the virus to the 5% who may not be.

How on earth could you organise that? As it is, the HSE can barely organise a daily roster.

tobefrank321

polesheep wrote: »

How on earth could you organise that? As it is, the HSE can barely organise a daily roster.

Exposure to the virus could be a death sentence for a vulnerable patient as it has been for many nursing home residents. And it only takes one infected staff member or health professional to bring it in.

It needs to be done. Desk duties away from the frontline for those who won't take it otherwise you're putting lives at risk.

astrofool

tobefrank321 wrote: »

At the risk of bursting bubbles a 95% effective vaccine doesn't work for 5%. We may never know who that 5% are. Our best hope is herd immunity via the vaccine. We will require close to 100% take up in healthcare workers and anyone who refuses to take it, will have to be kept well away from vulnerable patients as they may pass on the virus to the 5% who may not be.

Given the current R rate without a vaccine, getting the vaccine to ~50% of people (if it provides a modicum of sterilizing immunity) will cause it to effectively die out over the course of a few months.

Wolf359f

All the talk over the summer was the 60-70% needed for herd immunity with a vaccine. Was this based on an efficiency rate of ~50% for the vaccine, and with it proving to be ~95%, could that herd immunity rate drop?

hmmm

astrofool wrote: »

Given the current R rate without a vaccine, getting the vaccine to ~50% of people (if it provides a modicum of sterilizing immunity) will cause it to effectively die out over the course of a few months.

Public health have tricks too to use limited supplies of vaccine to have the greatest impact. Ring vaccination was used very heavily again recently in the recent Ebola outbreak in the DRC - they didn't vaccinate the entire country, just those who were very close to a confirmed case.

For Covid I imagine after the initial highly vulnerable we'll see people in jails, first responders, perhaps public transport workers, teachers etc. be the first to receive the vaccine.

Necro

Mod:

Once again, this is not the place for anti-vax discussion. I have deleted posts referencing this. I direct you to the OP warning in relation to this

The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

According to RTÉ our vaccine task force is due to meet next week, this seems a little casual... I would have thought you'd already have a plan for the instant approval comes through for the Biontech one.

I mean some of the doses are ready, surely you'd have the transport plan sorted to collect from the manufacturer and get our allocation here ASAP, with a central storage facility already ready, and a list of the first 10, 20, 50 thousand people. Whatever that might be. There are still unknowns but the known stuff should have already been done

manniot2

Deleted User wrote: »

According to RTÉ our vaccine task force is due to meet next week, this seems a little casual... I would have thought you'd already have a plan for the instant approval comes through for the Biontech one.

I mean some of the doses are ready, surely you'd have the transport plan sorted to collect from the manufacturer and get our allocation here ASAP, with a central storage facility already ready, and a list of the first 10, 20, 50 thousand people. Whatever that might be. There are still unknowns but the known stuff should have already been done

Ah shur no hurry, be grand, we’ll meet next Friday for half an hour, get the ball rolling slowly. No rush.

funnydoggy

Very, worryingly, casual.

Ashleigh1986

manniot2 wrote: »

Ah shur no hurry, be grand, we’ll meet next Friday for half an hour, get the ball rolling slowly. No rush.

Meet on a Friday ... Are you mad ?
No one in the public service works at anytime on a Friday ... It's the weekend !

alias no.9

manniot2 wrote: »

Ah shur no hurry, be grand, we’ll meet next Friday for half an hour, get the ball rolling slowly. No rush.

They'd have to to meet for at least an hour to justify the catered lunch.

newboard

First time viewing/posting on this thread. What are the latest probable estimated delivery dates for first doses? Are we talking 6 months from now, 12 months from now, 18? Thanks

Le Bruise

newboard wrote: »

First time viewing/posting on this thread. What are the latest probable estimated delivery dates for first doses? Are we talking 6 months from now, 12 months from now, 18? Thanks

I think we’re talking weeks rather than months for the first doses. Approval mid to late dec, first doses start shipping as soon as that happens.

conor_mc

newboard wrote: »

First time viewing/posting on this thread. What are the latest probable estimated delivery dates for first doses? Are we talking 6 months from now, 12 months from now, 18? Thanks

I think we’d all be fuming at the HSE if first doses weren’t rolled out by mid-January at the very latest, assuming mid-Dec approval. Christmas really shouldn’t be an excuse, it’s an all-hands-to-the-pumps year.

Russman

This might sound silly, I’m not trying to be, but are there any storage facilities in the country that can store the Pfizer vaccine ?
I’m just thinking of the, admittedly unlikely, scenario that when approval is given, the doses start shipping a few hours later, and a FedEx plane arrives in Dublin in late December with a cache of vaccines and people are looking at each other blankly.

newboard

Great to hear, thanks all

jackboy

conor_mc wrote: »

I think we’d all be fuming at the HSE if first doses weren’t rolled out by mid-January at the very latest, assuming mid-Dec approval. Christmas really shouldn’t be an excuse, it’s an all-hands-to-the-pumps year.

Exactly. Everything we have done since this started has been to protect the elderly and vulnerable. The protect them the vaccine cannot be given out a day too soon. A one week delay will lead to unnecessary deaths.

As we have already spent billions to deal with Covid there is literally no financial limit to getting the vaccine out straight away when it is available. Only incompetence and negligence will get in our way.

newboard

How many doses are going to be available for us?

Thierry12

UK rumored to be looking at the Pfzier data and seems efficacy of vaccine goes down with age

Did they give demographic efficacy?

How old was the 1 trialist that got very sick with the vaccine?

How old were the ones that got infected with the vaccine?

Would be massively underwhelming if those rumours are true and vaccine for example was 99% efficacy for under 50s and only 80% for over 80s etc

Is that possible?

If it works, shouldnt it work for everyone?

Marhay70

jackboy wrote: »

Only incompetence and negligence will get in our way.

You've just quoted the motto of the HSE.
Really the Government need to get it right, the people will not be forgiving if they fcuk this up.

kingbhome

It's probably been answered alot on here but it's my first time in this thread and don't have the time to go through it all to see the response.

What is the process for those that are saying they won't be vaccinated. Some saying that they won't be allowed in the work place, theyll be cut off from society and left to die without any government supports or even quarantine camps untill they accept the vaccine.

My view on this vaccine I sit on the fence as I'm in no way educated enough to know how safe or non safe they are. Both sides of the debate have valid evidence on who's right and wrong which to me, is destressing.

newboard

I'm guessing there'll be widespread educational marketing campaigns on the safety/efficacy and benefits of the vaccine once things get in to motion. Right now people feel in the dark because there are so many unknowns but that'll probably change as things progress.

Deeper Blue

kingbhome wrote: »

My view on this vaccine I sit on the fence as I'm in no way educated enough to know how safe or non safe they are. Both sides of the debate have valid evidence on who's right and wrong which to me, is destressing.

Since when do anti vaxxers have any "valid evidence" for their idiotic beliefs?

Deeper Blue

Thierry12 wrote: »

UK rumored to be looking at the Pfzier data and seems efficacy of vaccine goes down with age

Source for that?

They said the other day that it was 94% effective in over 65s which to me seems as good as it gets

stephenjmcd

Thierry12 wrote: »

UK rumored to be looking at the Pfzier data and seems efficacy of vaccine goes down with age

Did they give demographic efficacy?

How old was the 1 trialist that got very sick with the vaccine?

How old were the ones that got infected with the vaccine?

Would be massively underwhelming if those rumours are true and vaccine for example was 99% efficacy for under 50s and only 80% for over 80s etc

Is that possible?

If it works, shouldnt it work for everyone?

Not sure where your reading this, haven't seen anything of the sort and would go against existing findings.

UK started a rolling review, EU started one a good while ago.

We don't get the exact ages, that'll be in the data submitted to regulators, however the Independent board found 94% effiency in those over the age of 65 based on the trial data.

The 2 dose regime is to ensure the best possible immune response in everyone. Of course as you get older the immune system slows down but there's been no indication of issues based on the trial data submitted to the independent boards

polesheep

kingbhome wrote: »

It's probably been answered alot on here but it's my first time in this thread and don't have the time to go through it all to see the response.

What is the process for those that are saying they won't be vaccinated. Some saying that they won't be allowed in the work place, theyll be cut off from society and left to die without any government supports or even quarantine camps untill they accept the vaccine.

My view on this vaccine I sit on the fence as I'm in no way educated enough to know how safe or non safe they are. Both sides of the debate have valid evidence on who's right and wrong which to me, is destressing.

The fact that the country went into lockdown and spent billions to save lives knocks this mad theory on the head.

kingbhome

El Sueño wrote: »

Since when do anti vaxxers have any "valid evidence" for their idiotic beliefs?

There's evidence out there that shows they aren't so idiotic as some believe when you go digging in the mass of information about vaccines however as said in my first post, I sit on the fence so I'm not really here for a whataboutry posts back and forth. And the people arguing on boths sides still hold there own beliefs after all that time arguing then what's the actul point in it. Only wasted time on both sides and time is something I value highly.

D.Q

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure where your reading this, haven't seen anything of the sort and would go against existing findings.

UK started a rolling review, EU started one a good while ago.

We don't get the exact ages, that'll be in the data submitted to regulators, however the Independent board found 94% effiency in those over the age of 65 based on the trial data.

The 2 dose regime is to ensure the best possible immune response in everyone. Of course as you get older the immune system slows down but there's been no indication of issues based on the trial data submitted to the independent boards

He probably started the rumors himself