Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

DrumSteve

Steve F wrote: »

Not trying to belittle this outbreak but can anyone tell me WHY the number of recoveries are not being reported?
Surely thats just as important?
BTW I think it stands at approx 40,000?

Because tests need to be done to confirm the recovery.

BTW, it's 45,607 at this moment in time (or 94% of all cases that have been closed), this should improve over the next few weeks once countries get over the initial stages and implement protocols (i.e. lockdowns)

neil_hosey

vladmydad wrote: »

The CDC is the best disease control center in the world, also the amount of federal money available is vast. The White House team are only there to react to requests from the medical experts. Stop using this crisis to attack their christen faith. It has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Trump cut the CDC budget:
https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/

Don't get me started on religion..

YFlyer

circadian wrote: »

Does this mean the rest of the family aren't in isolation?

Let's take the UK stance from January on this. A relative of mine returned from new years in China around the end of January/start of February and self isolated. The entire household self isolated and the health services called out several times over the course of the 14 days to take samples for testing.

As far as I can see the UK hasn't had a major outbreak because they're taking stringent measures when a case shows up.

Said that the child or children should stay in the house. Not to head outside for social activities. Can mix with the family. All other family members can head outside as normal.

megabomberman

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1234412194600824832?s=20

This is the nominal leader we have in charge of this!

Dyr

megabomberman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1234412194600824832?s=20

This is the nominal leader we have in charge of this!

Hermann Goering once told the people of Germany that if bombs ever fell over Germany they could call him Meyer.

seamus

circadian wrote: »

Does this mean the rest of the family aren't in isolation?

No, that's not what they said. They said that other students had no need to self-isolate unless they showed symptoms.

You're jumping the gun to assume that the infected individual's family aren't also self-isolating.

Rob A. Bank

odyssey06 wrote: »

Untrue.

Kids can get the virus, and presumably if symptomatic can spread it on.
Just less kids are getting it \ and less severe doses.

There are still a lot of unknowns about this new virus but...

One of the few good news stories from the report of The World Health Organization international expert mission...

Data on individuals aged 18 years old and under suggest that there is a relatively low attack rate in this age group (2.4% of all reported cases).

From available data, and in the absence of results from serologic studies, it is not possible to determine the extent of infection among children, what role children play in transmission, whether children are less susceptible or if they present differently clinically (i.e. generally milder presentations).

The Joint Mission learned that infected children have largely been identified through contact tracing in households of adults.

Of note, people interviewed by the Joint Mission Team could not recall episodes in which transmission occurred from a child to an adult.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

joseywhales

It is a bit ridiculous that every country starts out with a 'low risk' or spreading until it has actually spread. It obviously has a high risk of spreading but I feel like they are afraid to say that because the public have a propensity to act in a binary fashion, either chill or panic.

One thing worried me though, that recovered patients have caught the disease again? Does that mean that it is still mutating?

BarryD2

megabomberman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1234412194600824832?s=20

This is the nominal leader we have in charge of this!

He came across as very prescriptive, a bit of a control freak perhaps. As Enda once said 'Paddy likes to know'.

Computer Science Student

I've seen estimates of 40%-70% getting this virus worldwide. Could that be right? What a terrifyingly successful virus. Make you appreciate how fragile life is. What is to stop something coming along next year that is just as successful at spreading itself but with say a higher death rate.

DrumSteve

joseywhales wrote: »

It is a bit ridiculous that every country starts out with a 'low risk' or spreading until it has actually spread. It obviously has a high risk of spreading but I feel like they are afraid to say that because the public have a propensity to act in a binary fashion, either chill or panic.

One thing worried me though, that recovered patients have caught the disease again? Does that mean that it is still mutating?

It is generally thought that these are people who had not fully recovered rather than relapsed.

Initially it was said up to 14% of people who got it were at risk of getting it again.

Sigma101

gabeeg wrote: »

This is very bad news



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/02/coronavirus-live-updates-china-latest-news-us-australia-deaths-markets-italy-iran-update-cases

There's still some hope that high temperatures will help prevent spread of the disease in places like India although there's still a lot of uncertainty how the virus reacts to heat.

Funsterdelux

Computer Science Student wrote: »

I've seen estimates of 40%-70% getting this virus worldwide. Could that be right? What a terrifyingly successful virus. Make you appreciate how fragile life is. What is to stop something coming along next year that is just as successful at spreading itself but with say a higher death rate.

The law of averages?

Watch Pandemic on netflix, it gives one a good idea on what is going on constantly in the background to stop/limit new viruses spreading and jumping from wild and domesticated animals/birds.

Snow Garden

joseywhales wrote: »

It is a bit ridiculous that every country starts out with a 'low risk' or spreading until it has actually spread. It obviously has a high risk of spreading but I feel like they are afraid to say that because the public have a propensity to act in a binary fashion, either chill or panic.

One thing worried me though, that recovered patients have caught the disease again? Does that mean that it is still mutating?

Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

mumo3

drkpower wrote: »

To contain it; not to prevent it.

That’s why they call it containment

Closing the gate after the horse has bolted!!

Drumpot

megabomberman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1234412194600824832?s=20

This is the nominal leader we have in charge of this!

How can anybody, anywhere with any amount of knowledge say that ? What is this "chances of it spreading in Ireland low" statement based on ?

Did he explain why he made this statement ? Is it the weather ? Is it that he knows the virus is not that contagious ? Is it that they have tested most the population and its grand ? Is it because St Patrick is good at banishing Coronavirus19 aswell?

DrumSteve

Drumpot wrote: »

How can anybody, anywhere with any amount of knowledge say that ? What is this "chances of it spreading in Ireland low" statement based on ?

Did he explain why he made this statement ? Is it the weather ? Is it that he knows the virus is not that contagious ? Is it that they have tested most the population and its grand ? Is it because St Patrick is good at banishing Coronavirus19 aswell?

I think he is saying that so that people dont lose their minds.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/BBCLBicker/status/1234317507189592064

BarryD2

piplip87 wrote: »

We have alot of people on here and social media making brash statements. People demanding the country be put on lockdown yet would be moaning if closing the country down meant they don't get their 5 euro a week rise in the social next budget. It's absolutely ridiculous. By all means the government and HSE should take all precautions necessary but closing down the whole country is ridiculous

This is true but you also get a sense that Dept of Health here are one step behind in dealing with this, rather than one step ahead. Prevention is better that cure etc.

seamus

It seems at this stage that the St. Patrick's Parade will probably be cancelled. They might still do the fireworks or otherwise do some form of TV-only thing with the crowds.

At this point we're past containment. Containment was never really an option in fact, hence why the HSE just had information desks at the airports.

The goal now is to slow the spread. There's a certain number of confirmed cases (I think it's 100) where they will stop testing completely, anyone who suspects they have it will be told to self-isolate like they would with 'flu, and to only contact a hospital/ambulance if they need to or if they're high risk.

The incubation period is part of what's making this such a bugger. Some infections will start to knock you down within 24-48 hours and limit your ability to spread it.

The hysteria from some quarters about isolating suspected patients, is just that. Absolute isolation is a very difficult thing to achieve with serious social and financial implications. Its use should be balanced against the actual risk posed by the infection.

Downlinz

Computer Science Student wrote: »

I've seen estimates of 40%-70% getting this virus worldwide. Could that be right? What a terrifyingly successful virus. Make you appreciate how fragile life is. What is to stop something coming along next year that is just as successful at spreading itself but with say a higher death rate.

I could see things like this leading us to become even less social as a species. Everyone working from home, no handshaking or standing in close proximity to strangers, more deliveries and automation, large public gatherings slowly becoming a thing of the past.

vladmydad

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1234205491070455808

Apparently China are cremating people who are still alive

lawred2

Downlinz wrote: »

I could see things like this leading us to become even less social as a species. Everyone working from home, no handshaking or standing in close proximity to strangers, more deliveries and automation, large public gatherings slowly becoming a thing of the past.

I see very little of that happening specifically because of this

Hector Savage

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160?s=20

DellyBelly

vladmydad wrote: »

Should I still go on my trip to the costa del sol later this week ?

I would think yes for now but keep your eye on updates from the HSC

Graces7

threeball wrote: »

The whole containment phase is a sham. I know a lad who flew back from Asia last week. Went through three airports, not a mention of where he was or even checking a temperature. There are people with symptoms knowingly boarding planes just so they get home and screw everyone else on board. They're like giant incubators for a virus like this.

Then we have fancy schools who won't even cancel skiing trips to Italy lest they ruffle some feathers in South Dublin. Containment my arse.

Reminds me of " As long as I don't get caught"?

all about the mane

vladmydad wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1234205491070455808

Apparently China are cremating people who are still alive

Seriously?? This thread gets even worse.

is_that_so

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think he is saying that so that people dont lose their minds.

Horse has bolted on that too, for some!

The Nal

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think he is saying that so that people dont lose their minds.

And hes right to do so judging by some of the insane hysteria on this thread.

joseywhales

The funniest thing about all of this is watching financial commentators on CNBC, telling everyone that it's a great time to buy! Desperately exasperated, compelling someone to save the market, it's kind of ridiculous. Getting Warren buffet footage out every day, to remind us about long term investment and how he doesn't care about short term price. What if your companies market cap drops 20% in a week? I guess it's just short term, no worries right?