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General British politics discussion thread

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    #2282
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,524 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    The scandalous thing about this whole affair is the fact that Hancock and Coladangelo have known each other since they were students in the '90s. He then appoints her to a £1k per day job as non exec director in his department and a lucrative PPE contract went to one companies her brother is one of the directors. This Tory govt are corrupt to the core

    Yeah but what about the immigrants, or the windrush descendants. They're leeching off other tax payers through taking government benefits that they shouldn't be entitled to. That's the problem, why don't you see this?


    :rolleyes:


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    #2283
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,306 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Looks like Hancock has resigned as health secretary....I am surprised tbh I thought he would style it out....if he had any decency he should have gone over the contract scandal


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    #2284
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    gmisk wrote: »
    Looks like Hancock has resigned as health secretary....I am surprised tbh I thought he would style it out....if he had any decency he should have gone over the contract scandal

    Kind of surprised and not so surprised at the same time, if he has indeed resigned. Hard to retain even a shred of authority when others, including Neil Ferguson, have bitten the bullet before you for similar crimes, even if these tories have necks like the jockeys proverbials for brazening stuff out. I guess a bit like Al Capone, they got him on the lesser charge in the end!


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    #2285
    BonnieSituation
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    gmisk wrote: »
    Looks like Hancock has resigned as health secretary....I am surprised tbh I thought he would style it out....if he had any decency he should have gone over the contract scandal

    He had to go.

    But he couldn't be sacked by Boris.

    I'd say the embarrassment was gonna ramp up, and as loathsome as he is, he's still a human and has a family. Most of us can't develop a neck like a Cowen.


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    #2286
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,836 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The fact that they have gone from "matter closed" to him resigning a day later shows that they were fully ready to do a Barnard Castle on it but then realised it might not work this time.

    Basically yet another showcase of absolutely terrible judgement and utter abdication of leadership.


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    #2287
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Lots of speculation on social media. Who leaked the footage to the Sun? How long were they (Sun) in possession of it? Murdoch clearly wanted Hancock gone but to what end is less clear.


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    #2288
    Joe_ Public
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    Quite possible there is or was more to emerge or at least the threat of it so there was no real other option but to go. Whether they do follow up how the footage was captured/leaked will be interesting. I wouldn't have thought ministers offices had cameras in them as a matter of routine, hancock certainly wasn't aware of it anyway. Otherwise somebody planted it which surely constitutes a serious breach of security and something they'd have to investigate. Or at least throw some shapes in that direction anyway.


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    #2289
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,607 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Daily Express political editor has just stated on Sky News he's been tipped off that Sajid Javid has been appointed as new Health secretary.

    Shows you how close that paper is to the Government.


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    #2290
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Quite possible there is or was more to emerge or at least the threat of it so there was no real other option but to go. Whether they do follow up how the footage was captured/leaked will be interesting. I wouldn't have thought ministers offices had cameras in them as a matter of routine, hancock certainly wasn't aware of it anyway. Otherwise somebody planted it which surely constitutes a serious breach of security and something they'd have to investigate. Or at least throw some shapes in that direction anyway.

    It's a wonder the police aren't involved. This is security footage from inside a government ministry somehow ending up in the hands of a tabloid newspaper. Everyone who works in that ministry is a government employee.


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    #2291
    Joe_ Public
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's a wonder the police aren't involved. This is security footage from inside a government ministry somehow ending up in the hands of a tabloid newspaper. Everyone who works in that ministry is a government employee.

    I'm wondering whether it is actual security footage as i didn't think there would be cctv inside a serving minister's office. I was assuming somebody entered the office and planted it there but it's a major security breach either way and should in theory be the subject of a criminal investigation. I also wonder if the sun could claim protection of sources in the event of an issue of national security? Dunno really, probably won't get pursued at all would be my guess.


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    #2292
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    I'm wondering whether it is actual security footage as i didn't think there would be cctv inside a serving minister's office. I was assuming somebody entered the office and planted it there but it's a major security breach either way and should in theory be the subject of a criminal investigation. I also wonder if the sun could claim protection of sources in the event of an issue of national security? Dunno really, probably won't get pursued at all would be my guess.

    If it was planted as a hidden camera, it would make the story even more weird than just a regular CCTV footage story. It would mean someone knew Hancock was having an affair and set out to trap him.


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    #2293
    breezy1985
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    If it was planted as a hidden camera, it would make the story even more weird than just a regular CCTV footage story. It would mean someone knew Hancock was having an affair and set out to trap him.

    And would be highly illegal


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    #2294
    O'Neill
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭O'Neill


    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1408864671545937921

    First time I've agreed with her about something!


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    #2295
    Joe_ Public
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    If it was planted as a hidden camera, it would make the story even more weird than just a regular CCTV footage story. It would mean someone knew Hancock was having an affair and set out to trap him.

    I could be entirely wrong anyway, maybe all ministerial offices are routinely set up with cctv so it's just a straight story of someone copying the footage and posting it on which is certainly the simplest explanation. By all accounts the affair had been an open secret around the department for some time, though.


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    #2296
    Roger_007
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    Would there be any footage available from Hancock’s house as to how he explained things to his wife when he got home?


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    #2297
    Lemming
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    O'Neill wrote: »
    First time I've agreed with her about something!

    If that loathsome charlatan said that grass was a green colour, I'd still go check. This is all being heavily orchestrated; a more crass & cynical exercise in political scheming you could not witness happening before your eyes, and she's had words whispered in her ear to that effect. The message is not wrong of course, but given the source I would be questioning the 'who' and the 'why' behind it all.

    I fully expect the current nest of vipers in cabinet (and the senior echelons of the Tory party) to load Hancock with every breach, inept and/or corrupt carry-on that many of them oversaw over the past year & a half and let him carry the can for all of it so they can try and wash themselves clean in the public eye.


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    #2298
    Strazdas
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    I could be entirely wrong anyway, maybe all ministerial offices are routinely set up with cctv so it's just a straight story of someone copying the footage and posting it on which is certainly the simplest explanation. By all accounts the affair had been an open secret around the department for some time, though.

    One theory doing the rounds tonight anyway is that this is part of Murdoch's plan to get Michael Gove installed as PM.


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    #2299
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,607 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Looks like the Tories are going to put a full investigation in to how the footage was leaked.

    Probably they will be more concerned with that than dealing with the alleged dealings that Hancock was involved in with his mistress and their family in terms of contracts and positions etc.

    I note there is also talk about having cameras removed from Government offices now unless they are required by the security services. I am sure this is totally motivated by good intentions and nothing at all about removing them to ensure that nobody else gets caught out. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    The reaction of Johnson in this is that the are not sorry at all for what has happened. They are only sorry that they got caught so will take steps to prevent being caught in the first place.


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    #2300
    Hangdogroad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Yer wan bears a strong resemblance to Pritti Patel. That same knowing smirk and dark hair.


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    #2301
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Hangdogroad wrote: »
    Yer wan bears a strong resemblance to Pritti Patel. That same knowing smirk and dark hair.

    It seems Hancock has chosen her over the missus anyway (and she presumably is dumping the husband) - he's leaving the wife and moving in with her.


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    #2302
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It seems Hancock has chosen her over the missus anyway (and she presumably is dumping the husband) - he's leaving the wife and moving in with her.

    That could be because the wife will get the house.


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    #2303
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It seems Hancock has chosen her over the missus anyway (and she presumably is dumping the husband) - he's leaving the wife and moving in with her.

    Who says it was Hancock's choice


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    #2304
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Who says it was Hancock's choice

    It could well be Hancock's choice, but not necessarily Mr Hancock's choice - it could be Mrs. Hancock's choice.


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    #2305
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Who says it was Hancock's choice

    Good point. I was reading that he knew the story was going to break, a good 24 hours before it actually did.


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    #2306
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Good point. I was reading that he knew the story was going to break, a good 24 hours before it actually did.

    Well he has the perfect PM to offer advice at least


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    #2307
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭quokula


    O'Neill wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1408864671545937921

    First time I've agreed with her about something!

    The whole thing feels very choreographed - that corruption runs right through the cabinet, but it’s all being pinned on him as soon as he’s out of government. The fact that the leak came through a right wing newspaper too, and the thing he ultimately resigned for just generates headlines about it being a personal issue rather than the many much more egregious sins of the government, it’s all very convenient.


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    #2308
    Tell me how
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    quokula wrote: »
    The whole thing feels very choreographed - that corruption runs right through the cabinet, but it’s all being pinned on him as soon as he’s out of government. The fact that the leak came through a right wing newspaper too, and the thing he ultimately resigned for just generates headlines about it being a personal issue rather than the many much more egregious sins of the government, it’s all very convenient.

    I think he's rubbing his hands in glee. He'll be remembered for having an affair, not corruption and incompetence and if he was going to leave his wife and family anyway, this completed that process quickly for him, like ripping off a bandaid.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he leaked the footage himself at this point.


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    #2309
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    SNIP. Please do not just paste links.


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    #2310
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I think he's rubbing his hands in glee. He'll be remembered for having an affair, not corruption and incompetence and if he was going to leave his wife and family anyway, this completed that process quickly for him, like ripping off a bandaid.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he leaked the footage himself at this point.


    I dunno, now hes out they might have an inquiry so they can blame all the past years corruption on him and get somewhat of a clean slate.


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    #2311
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I dunno, now hes out they might have an inquiry so they can blame all the past years corruption on him and get somewhat of a clean slate.

    Well, it worked for the Vote Leave campaign - it was found to have broken the law but - well - what ever happened about that? Oh yea - I thought so.


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