Corona Virus and events

echancrure

RacoonQueen wrote: »

[...]something, but that probably wouldn't really be worth the work involved.

so what's Athletics Ireland up to then: is that not their job?

average_runner

RacoonQueen wrote: »

There's no way with the marathon, even with a high % of athletes vaccinated - too many unknowns still about the virus and how effective vaccines are with new variants etc for me, I can see Ireland continuing to take a massively cautious approach to everything. Unless they can pull off an event with sub 3 or sub 2:40 athletes only in the Phoenix Park or something, but that probably wouldn't really be worth the work involved.

We can't keep living in a shell. Once cases fall due to vaccination they will have to open fully. UK are leading the way and we will follow. Alot of goodwill from the people so far, but it wont last forever. Come sept we be fully open or there be a new government

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

How is it that big outdoor and indoor meets can take place all across the continent, while we can't put on outdoor meets here with no spectators.

Amazing isn't it.

Because we lack leadership.

rovers_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

How is it that big outdoor and indoor meets can take place all across the continent, while we can't put on outdoor meets here with no spectators.

Amazing isn't it.

You have to start with the overall management of the situation across the whole of Irish society.
When you see the Govt basically wash their hands of it and hand it over to NPHET and the Gardai then it drip feeds down to other organisations.

Its a balls alright that people are willing to shrug their shoulders and sit on their hands in this country when they can pass the buck.

Look at Boris as a contrast to that, the UK have plans in train for ages regarding the FA cup and other large events, even the indoor snooker. It then filters down to smaller organisations as to what is possible with good planning.

The GAA I thought would really put up a fight but everybody has a price in Ireland it seems.

MayoSalmon

Keep cancelling events though lads...sure 0.1% is just to high....morons!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036

Dubh Geannain

average_runner wrote: »

Because we lack leadership.

As well as that. Another post mentioned insurance too. It's been the reason cited by the GAA for people not even bring allowed run around their fields during the lockdown.

The insurance and claims industry has much of the country ruined.

Arnold54321

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

As well as that. Another post mentioned insurance too. It's been the reason cited by the GAA for people not even bring allowed run around their fields during the lockdown.

The insurance and claims industry has much of the country ruined.

Yes insurance AND getting sanction from the various county councils and AGS. This is proving problematic for event organisers. Unfortunately it’s not as easy as saying sure we’ll close these roads and away we go lets run a 10k, half marathon, marathon. Added to the complexity is a mass event with 5,000 plus, getting sanction for this over the next six months while we are in a pandemic will be extremely difficult.

MY BAD

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

As well as that. Another post mentioned insurance too. It's been the reason cited by the GAA for people not even bring allowed run around their fields during the lockdown.

The insurance and claims industry has much of the country ruined.

I never can understand why a community pitch is open but GAA grounds are off limits. Even not in Covid times most GAA clubs won't let you in to jog around their pitch. They always say its because of insurance but this isn't a case for community pitches

Ceepo

Chivito550 wrote: »

How is it that big outdoor and indoor meets can take place all across the continent, while we can't put on outdoor meets here with no spectators.

Amazing isn't it.

Total lack of leadership and a willingness by AI, which doesn't surprise me.

It also amazes me that federations in other countries look for solutions, while ours looks for problems.

Chivito550

Was in Marlay Park today. Tennis courts padlocked shut. 50 metres away is a playground that is open and packed.

Welcome to Ireland.

deisedude

Ceepo wrote: »

Total lack of leadership and a willingness by AI, which doesn't surprise me.

It also amazes me that federations in other countries look for solutions, while ours looks for problems.

Whatever about the Average Joe punter, not having events for elites is a disgrace.

The UK did a great job of the marathon trials. Can't see why the same couldn't have happened here

It's led to Irish athletes having to go to Wrexham to get qualification times

Ceepo

Chivito550 wrote: »

Was in Marlay Park today. Tennis courts padlocked shut. 50 metres away is a playground that is open and packed.

Welcome to Ireland.

This is the type of inconsistent policy that frustrates people.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Was in Marlay Park today. Tennis courts padlocked shut. 50 metres away is a playground that is open and packed.

Welcome to Ireland.

Crazy ain't it. Hence we let the kids play on the street with their friends. Some people will frown on that, but kids need normality and the risk is very low

Ceepo

deisedude wrote: »

Whatever about the Average Joe punter, not having events for elites is a disgrace.

The UK did a great job of the marathon trials. Can't see why the same couldn't have happened here

It's led to Irish athletes having to go to Wrexham to get qualification times

Totally agree with you. Average Joe can wait.

And few of the DTC group are heading to Belfast for a race.

6run28

Is it better to have a Dublin marathon where everyone is vaccinated or have thousands of runners travel to UK and around Europe for races as they can't be held here?

6run28

Outdoor transmission accounts for 0.1% of State’s Covid-19 cases. Just 262 cases traced to outdoor activities since pandemic began, official figures reveal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036?mode=amp

And this is before vaccinations, once vaccines rolled out I can't see any legitimate reason not to hold outdoor races.

Treviso

deisedude wrote: »

Whatever about the Average Joe punter, not having events for elites is a disgrace.

The UK did a great job of the marathon trials. Can't see why the same couldn't have happened here

It's led to Irish athletes having to go to Wrexham to get qualification times

And instead of supporting those elites who have to travel to Wrexham for Olympic qualifying times, Cork Athletics just promotes negative talk and hearsay. https://www.corkathletics.org/news/2173-covid-19-level-5-update-march-31st-2021.html Here are two Cork athletes trying their best to achieve their dream, doing unbelievable training and yet get sneered at by this board

They have been super negative since the very first lockdown. This one was a beauty from May 2020 - https://www.corkathletics.org/news/1737-covid-19-serious-training-issues.html

It was bad enough getting abuse from the general public and media, let alone from the body that's meant to support us

deisedude

Treviso wrote: »

And instead of supporting those elites who have to travel to Wrexham for Olympic qualifying times, Cork Athletics just promotes negative talk and hearsay. https://www.corkathletics.org/news/2173-covid-19-level-5-update-march-31st-2021.html Here are two Cork athletes trying their best to achieve their dream, doing unbelievable training and yet get sneered at by this board

They have been super negative since the very first lockdown. This one was a beauty from May 2020 - https://www.corkathletics.org/news/1737-covid-19-serious-training-issues.html

It was bad enough getting abuse from the general public and media, let alone from the body that's meant to support us

I'm a member of a club in Cork so have been following intently and the carry on has been absolutely disgraceful. The stuff being posted is like a tabloid newspaper.

The offending webmaster being rightly called on their sh1t on Facebook

Stark

I remember Cork athletics guy during first lockdown coming up with his own interpretations of the 2km distance limit that basically forbade any sort of meaningful training.

Here we go https://www.corkathletics.org/news/1674-covid-19-and-long-runs-or-long-periods-in-public.html

Tbf "long periods" in public might present a hepatitis risk.

ThebitterLemon

6run28 wrote: »

Outdoor transmission accounts for 0.1% of State’s Covid-19 cases. Just 262 cases traced to outdoor activities since pandemic began, official figures reveal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036?mode=amp

And this is before vaccinations, once vaccines rolled out I can't see any legitimate reason not to hold outdoor races.

Exactly

If these figures are accurate and given a large portion of the vulnerable are partially vaccinated surely there’s no reason why races cannot take place? They could even start by allowing races of up to a couple of hundred initially if they wanted to be cautious

TbL

Treviso

I continued to run at the UCC Sports Grounds (UCC Farm) all through the lockdowns. Cork Athletics were responsible for getting UCC to "shut it down" at that time - UCC were only looking for a reason to do it. I remember before these messages that the Farm was full of families, dog walkers, runners, GAA and other people exercising (just like it is now). Everyone was socially distanced, plenty of space for everyone, was a great space in a city with so little green areas close to the city.

Then, the ground staff had to ask everyone to leave which in turn pushed everyone into the already crowded parks nearby. It was such a shame to see it

Ceepo

6run28 wrote: »

Outdoor transmission accounts for 0.1% of State’s Covid-19 cases. Just 262 cases traced to outdoor activities since pandemic began, official figures reveal.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036?mode=amp

And this is before vaccinations, once vaccines rolled out I can't see any legitimate reason not to hold outdoor races.

Just to be clear. Id love to see things getting back to normality,
There's no reason why some track meetings can't go ahead even without spectators by July either, but here we are,
I don't disagree that things should be opened by Oct, but imo they won't be open up to the degree that 22,000 people will line up for DCM. Some smaller events will probably get the go ahead

Burkie1203

Ceepo wrote: »

Just to be clear. Id love to see things getting back to normality,
There's no reason why some track meetings can't go ahead even without spectators by July either, but here we are,
I don't disagree that things should be opened by Oct, but imo they won't be open up to the degree that 22,000 people will line up for DCM. Some smaller events will probably get the go ahead

There wont be 22000

Factor in the standard drop out rate and that becomes 18000, don't allow overseas entrants and that becomes 15000.

With all the information we have, there is no valid reason a marathon cannot go ahead in October

robinph

Burkie1203 wrote: »

There wont be 22000

Factor in the standard drop out rate and that becomes 18000, don't allow overseas entrants and that becomes 15000.

With all the information we have, there is no valid reason a marathon cannot go ahead in October

Is there only 2/3 thousand overseas entries? Thought there would be higher percentage than that.

There is the slight problem of where the line on overseas is drawn in October though. Would be surprised if travel between UK / Ireland is in anyway restricted by October, and that will be a significant portion of international entries for the marathon right there.

I see enough DCM tshirts running around my locality for there to be a few hundred just from my city, there is about 5 people I know of just from my club with places for this year.

Burkie1203

robinph wrote: »

Is there only 2/3 thousand overseas entries? Thought there would be higher percentage than that.

There is the slight problem of where the line on overseas is drawn in October though. Would be surprised if travel between UK / Ireland is in anyway restricted by October, and that will be a significant portion of international entries for the marathon right there.

I see enough DCM tshirts running around my locality for there to be a few hundred just from my city, there is about 5 people I know of just from my club with places for this year.

Article recently quoted Jim Aughney saying there was approx 3000 overseas entries held over from 2020

event

ultrapercy wrote: »

I wonder when things return to whatever normal looks like what the effect will have been on peoples attitudes. In the context of racing how will people deal with the likes of dodgy portoloos or how will thousands of disgarded tshirts post warm up be viewed/tolerated. Will spitting be a social taboo leading to arguments etc.? Outside of races what will socialising be like? It's hard to imagine sitting at a bar again, in fact it's hard to imagine local rural pubs in its traditional format returning at all. Maybe we will all revert back to our previous behaviours but I think there may be a hangover or legacy from a year of restricted living.

Well it should be. Its disgusting

Hurrache

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Keep cancelling events though lads...sure 0.1% is just to high....morons!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036

It's great that it's so low, but you'd have to factor in the scarcity of people meeting in groups outdoors anyway so looking at it that way it's hardly surprising.

MayoSalmon

Ceepo wrote: »

Just to be clear. Id love to see things getting back to normality,
There's no reason why some track meetings can't go ahead even without spectators by July either, but here we are,
I don't disagree that things should be opened by Oct, but imo they won't be open up to the degree that 22,000 people will line up for DCM. Some smaller events will probably get the go ahead

22,000+ people have been gathering in coffee lines all over Dublin for the last 4 months:p

MayoSalmon

Hurrache wrote: »

It's great that it's so low, but you'd have to factor in the scarcity of people meeting in groups outdoors anyway so looking at it that way it's hardly surprising.

International studies are involved here..I dont know what more people like you need to hear to be honest...

"At the University of Canterbury, Prof Mike Weed studied 27,000 Covid-19 cases based on 6,000 different pieces of data. One study was of 7,500 cases in China and Japan before lockdown in both of those countries. The number of cases associated with outdoor transmission was “so small to be insignificant”, he discovered"

Hurrache

MayoSalmon wrote: »

International studies are involved here..I dont know what more people like you need to hear to be honest...

"At the University of Canterbury, Prof Mike Weed studied 27,000 Covid-19 cases based on 6,000 different pieces of data. One study was of 7,500 cases in China and Japan before lockdown in both of those countries. The number of cases associated with outdoor transmission was “so small to be insignificant”, he discovered"

In fairness I only read the first few paragraphs or so when they mentioned state figures, I didn't get as far as international studies!