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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #6842
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    One person in Ireland is sick, not dead, sick. I’m not going to infect hundreds, I’m saying the media and panic merchants on here need to get a grip before we cause the next recession overnight!

    One person is sick and more people are 99% likely infected at this point in time. Where you and I might be strong enough to battle this, my concern lies with protecting elderly relatives and everyone else who might be compromised.

    The economy is going go to take a hit anyway. That's a certainty. For me the cat is well out of the bag so prevention and damage limitation needs to be the focus now and all of us have a responsibility there.


  • #6843
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Allinall wrote: »
    When exactly?

    Just so I can isolate myself from it.

    And make a fortune


  • #6844
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Well they're not faulty, but false negatives are an issue. People with the virus that come back as a negative, even when they're obviously symptomatic. 5% IIRC. That Chinese doctor whistleblower who later sadly died was one example. A run of negative results until he finally got a positive. Now we're hearing of folks who have recovered from the virus testing positive again weeks later.

    *Personal musings* I have the feeling that when the dust is settled we'll discover that the testing isn't as accurate as it appears to be and that other viral infections may trigger a positive. This might explain the odd nature of this particular virus. IE a wildly variable incubation time and a helluva range of symptom presentation. If you look at similar viruses like MERS and SARS this variability wasn't present to nearly the same degree. If you caught either of them you came down with it in the same timeframe and you were clearly ill. They were much more predictable across the board, hence my musings that we're still in the learning stages with this coronavirus.
    reinfection has thus far been few and far between and even then it has not been definitively confirmed, in fact, the thought now is the antibodies will recognise a reinfection and thankfully the illness is mild, good news


  • #6845
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,267 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Peatys wrote: »
    And make a fortune

    It’s the best time.

    Buy when everyone’s selling.


  • #6846
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Allinall wrote: »
    It’s the best time.

    Buy when everyone’s selling.

    Donald? :D


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  • #6847
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    deathbomber wrote: »
    I am famkliar with only 1 manufacturer and know they supply to many of the big medical companies here - these companies only really supply to registered medical practices/hospitals though, although they will probably sell reasonable orders to the general public but there is a restriction on sale of face masks

    Don't know how many manufacturers in ireland... the pharmacist had contacted them directly to request for several pharmacies and was told orders are committed to China


  • #6848
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    gabeeg wrote: »
    There is definitely going to be a recession.

    It's the least of our worries.

    To be fair, I'm more worried about a recession than I am of the 0.2% chance of dying from a virus that I have a miniscule chance of getting in the first place.


  • #6849
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,392 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    One person in Ireland is sick, not dead, sick. I’m not going to infect hundreds, I’m saying the media and panic merchants on here need to get a grip before we cause the next recession overnight!

    China shut down economic operations for weeks... the economic impacts of this could be huge if say a third of the population have to self isolate. Social gatherings dramatically curtailed for months. Travel and cruise bookings and tourism grind to a halt.

    That's what will cause a recession. Not words in a newspaper or online forum.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #6850
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The testing uses samples of the viruses DNA. All different viruses have different DNA so it’s not really possible for a different virus to be identified as this particular corona virus. The testing involves PCR assays. You can read about it here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction
    Oh I get that MY, but others have been questioning the results of this this test. One of those at the top in the epicentre of the Chinese outbreak said this: However, since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.

    The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

    Others have been saying the percentage of false negatives is between 3-5%.: However, RT-PCR tests for the novel coronavirus are not perfect and not always accurate. A recent study in the journal Radiology examined medical records from 167 patients with COVID-19 from Hunan province in China. Researchers found that five patients out of 167 -- 3% of the study group -- who had chest CT scan features suggestive of COVID-19 initially tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 infection by RT-PCR. The patients were isolated and all eventually were confirmed through repeated swab tests to have the infection.

    False negatives comprised just 3% of the patient population in this study. However, failure to detect a small number of cases of the potentially deadly viral infection may have wide-ranging effects for patients and others who may become infected.

    The lag between symptoms and positives can be puzzling too: Another option is the patients do have the coronavirus but it is at such an early stage, there is not enough to detect.

    Even though RT-PCR tests massively expand the amount of genetic material, they need something to work from.

    "But that doesn't make sense after six tests," Dr MacDermott says.

    "With Ebola, we always waited 72 hours after a negative result to give the virus time."

    I personally believe that there is more noise in the signal about this outbreak than we think.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #6851
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    To be fair, I'm more worried about a recession than I am of the 0.2% chance of dying from a virus that I have a miniscule chance of getting in the first place.

    2% chance


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  • #6852
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,336 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    2% chance

    Mortality rate can’t be calculated accurately until the outbreak has concluded.


  • #6853
    deathbomber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭deathbomber


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    To be fair, I'm more worried about a recession than I am of the 0.2% chance of dying from a virus that I have a miniscule chance of getting in the first place.

    Recession is very real, however when things ease, you will see production intensify around the clock for many industries so it should be ok, however if it keeps going for 6 or more months, recession is on the agenda (arguably). Great time to be an investor though


  • #6854
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    Lucyfur wrote: »
    If you mix it with aloe vera and vitamin E it'll be a little less harsh on your hands.

    DIY hand gel... looks straighforward to make. All ingredients easily got.


  • #6855
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    2% chance

    The stats show that my age bracket (29) is 0.2%. I guess the 2% is for every age bracket combined?

    **Not trying to downplay anything. I have elderly people that I'm concerned for. What I mean is for myself and most people I know have little to be worried about**


  • #6856
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Playback on Radio 1 was priceless today. People were losing their minds on Liveline. Even Joe was struggling to contain the utter madness. It somewhat reflected the height of the panic in the previous thread to this one. So much misinformation too, even from Joe. Worth a listen.


  • #6857
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    To be fair, I'm more worried about a recession than I am of the 0.2% chance of dying from a virus that I have a miniscule chance of getting in the first place.

    Remember swine-flu?

    It's estimated that somewhere between 11-21% of the planet contracted it.
    I did too. It was pretty horrible.

    Coronavirus is even more infectious. We have zero immunity to it.

    If there's an outbreak here like there is in Italy, and now Germany and France, most of us are going to get it.


  • #6858
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    The stats show that my age bracket (29) is 0.2%. I guess the 2% is for every age bracket combined?

    **Not trying to downplay anything. I have elderly people that I'm concerned for. What I mean is for myself and most people I know have little to be worried about**

    That's an extremely narcissistic view of looking at it


  • #6859
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    KingBobby wrote: »

    There is a huge amount of incredibly selfish remarks I'm hearing every day saying things like "oh I'm not worried i'm not in an at-risk group" yes but how would you feel if you passed it on to a person receiving cancer treatment, elderly, pregnant women, people with asthma... so many people in this society are actually in the at risk groups and you could be responsible for them getting this and potentially not being able to fight it. This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, just a generalised rant.

    Agree with this. My son was admitted to ICU at 7 days old with seizures. We were told he was significantly brain damaged and would have CP and couldn’t tell us the extent. It turned out to be a virus, very rare here so no one had heard of it bar the infectious disease team. Turned out a baby was in just before us from same maternity hospital so I reckon it was spreading there. That baby died. If one of us got the virus we would have a snotty nose at worse, it’s just dangerous for neonates and can cause long term developmental problems. My son was lucky but I still wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone.
    While I hope me and my family won’t get this, or if we do we won’t get very ill, we all still have to take whatever steps necessary to stop the spread. It’s not ok to think you’ll be ok and take your chances- some people won’t be ok, and their families will live with that for the rest of their lives.


  • #6860
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Just some small alternative tips for those who are taking precautions:

    - get some crackers or long lasting biscuits (eg bourbon) for the kids, it’s nice to have some treats if they do have to stay at home for awhile

    - stock up on coffee or your own treat , like your children, you will
    Miss your vices if isolated

    - things you have put off get done, car service , plumber , boiler or anything that you kinda sorta just haven’t arsed doing for numerous reasons but know you prob should

    - Maybe have some funds in an alternative bank (online or otherwise) in case your main bank has any issues for any reason.

    - talk to people who have done this before (Graces7 here has been really helpful to me)

    - Dont panic. From what we know to date, there really is nothing at all to panic about, this looks like mostly being an inconvenience for a lot of us personally.


  • #6861
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    wadacrack wrote: »
    That's an extremely narcissistic view of looking at it

    Why? I clearly stated that I have concerns for the elderly people in my life.

    And of course I will self isolate if ever I get the virus. Nothing selfish about it knowing I'm going to be ok.


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  • #6862
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    The stats show that my age bracket (29) is 0.2%. I guess the 2% is for every age bracket combined?

    **Not trying to downplay anything. I have elderly people that I'm concerned for. What I mean is for myself and most people I know have little to be worried about**

    If you just take the South Korea numbers then you are looking at a rate of 0.58%

    The reason to take their numbers in isolation are:
    * High numbers
    * Higher testing rate than other countries


  • #6863
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,043 ✭✭✭✭fits


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    Christ almighty...

    WTAF is wrong with you.


  • #6864
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    Most of us went for beans, rice, pasta, fish fingers, hand sanitizer, tuna and Jax Roll.

    Hope this helps.

    Potaoes. flour eggs... whatever you would normally buy for 2 weeks

    And pet food if you have one

    and OTC meds eg paracetamol


  • #6865
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,804 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    If you just take the South Korea numbers then you are looking at a rate of 0.58%

    The reason to take their numbers in isolation are:
    * High numbers
    * Higher testing rate than other countries

    Yeah but they've got one of the best health systems around, and it's presumably being tested to its limits...


  • #6866
    digitaldr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    Apologies in advance for a factual post!

    The HSE is following ECDC guidelines (the European equivalent of the CDC).

    The HSE helpline is very busy so only phone them if you have returned from a region with presumed community transmission in the past 14 days, have had contact with a confirmed case, attended a healthcare facility where confirmed cases may have been treated or cannot find the answer to your query on hse.ie or hpsc.ie

    This video is long but well worth a watch. Bruce Aylward team lead of the WHO mission to China details how China responded to COVID 19 and encourages other countries to take the same aggressive approach.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o0q1XMRKYM


  • #6867
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Fear sells. According to Radio 1, Amazon are reporting massive price rises for coronavirus goods (masks, hand sanetiser) etc. Most of the masks being sold make no difference whatsoever. Huge demand increases too.


  • #6868
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Yeah but they've got one of the best health systems around, and it's presumably being tested to its limits...

    They have a confirmed infection rate of 0.0057% so I am guessing not stressing their health care system that much.

    If those stats were in Ireland with a population of 5 Million:
    * 285 infected
    * 1.6 dead


  • #6869
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Iran , that will shake them a bit

    https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1233694311641829376

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6870
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Fleetwoodmac wrote: »
    DIY hand gel... looks straighforward to make. All ingredients easily got.

    Vodka is not strong enough. You need 99% Isopropyl alcohol.


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  • #6871
    dan786
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233694976887967744?s=20


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