2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

I watch Fox.

Again no, not all media is toxic.



Whoosh.

I was paraphrasing Trump, but anyway, you watched some documentaries good for you.





Sorry, what questions did you ask me lad?

Do you feel like a f##king idiot becuase the media you consume didn't inform you about the Opiod crisis, the college debt crisis, the immigration crisis and all the other crisis that I mentioned that has been negatively affecting Americans for a few decades now...who were looking at a choice between a Bush and a Clinton until Donald Trump got pushed into the race by Putin....

Or do you believe that Fox has somehow managed, with the help of Russian bots no doubt, to get at me...to convince me that those issues are real when in actual fact they are completely fabricated by a FOX/Putin combo?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you feel like a f##king idiot becuase the media you consume didn't inform you about the Opiod crisis, the college debt crisis, the immigration crisis and all the other crisis that I mentioned that has been negatively affecting Americans for a few decades now...who were looking at a choice between a Bush and a Clinton until Donald Trump got pushed into the race by Putin....

Or do you believe that Fox has somehow managed, with the help of Russian bots no doubt, to get at me...to convince me that those issues are real when in actual fact they are completely fabricated by a FOX/Putin combo?

Sorry what makes you think I am not acutely aware of what led to Trump?

Do you think because you watched "some documentaries" you have some sort of unique inside scoop?

You don't lad. Reel your neck in for Christ sake. You are embarrassing yourself.

Silentcorner

Foxtrol wrote: »

The difference of Trump winning or losing in 2016 was about 100k votes spread across 3 states. The sever hacking and associated wall to wall wikileaks media coverage, alongside their targeted voter suppression tactics, could easily have shifted the opinion of that number of voters.

How did Trump, a complete political novice, who spent a fraction of what Clinton did, who had the entire media establishment behind her back, who spent over 150,000,000 dollars, get to surpass Clinton by 100k votes....have you ever thought about that....we are talking over 65,000,000 people voted for him?

The Russians?
Fox?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry what makes you think I am not acutely aware of what led to Trump?

Do you think because you watched "some documentaries" you have some sort of unique inside scoop?

You don't lad. Reel your neck in for Christ sake. You are embarrassing yourself.

You are the one who brought stupidity into this you are in no position to be telling me to reel in my neck...go away and swallow the next chapter of hysteria your media rams down your throat...you idiot.

WrenBoy

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry, what questions did you ask me lad?

I didn't ask you any, but I was genuinely interested in your answer to Silentcorners question on what outlets are and aren't reliable.

Silentcorner wrote: »

So exactly what media is toxic and what media ain't...let me guess, the media you consume isn't toxic, you know.the media people with "high IQs" like yourself obviously consume which convinces you that Trump is a Russian agent and the media idiots watch is toxic right?

Boggles wrote: »

1 simple question before I entertain such fervent gusto.

Who hacked the DNC Server?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

People white knighting Fox News, fúcking hell, we have reached peak stupid.

:rolleyes:

You're are right about one thing...I'll give you that.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are the one who brought stupidity into this you are in no position to be telling me to reel in my neck...go away and swallow the next chapter of hysteria your media rams down your throat...you idiot.

I guess we are done so.

Boggles

WrenBoy wrote: »

I didn't ask you any, but I was genuinely interested in your answer to Silentcorners question on what outlets are and aren't reliable.

But your are demanding I answer?

Maybe ask me a question, you have the liberty.

Before I answer though, do you think all media is toxic?

WrenBoy

Boggles wrote: »

But your are demanding I answer?

Not demanding, just asking, no need to be so defensive.

Boggles wrote: »

Maybe ask me a question, you have the liberty.

Ok, So exactly what media is toxic and what media ain't.. ?

Boggles

WrenBoy wrote: »

Ok, So exactly what media is toxic and what media ain't.. ?

It's pretty simple, people bang on about the spread of "fake news" like it is some new sort of phenomenon, it isn't. The delivery mechanism has changed, but at the same time it has never been easier fact check a story.

I would consume multiple outlets for news from Fox to Reuters to BBC to CNN.

If something contentious arises, cross check and fact check.

I don't consume "toxic media" but it is quite easy to tell which ones are just plain borderline conspiracy theorists.

How about yourself?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

It's pretty simple, people bang on about the spread of "fake news" like it is some new sort of phenomenon, it isn't. The delivery mechanism has changed, but at the same time it has never been easier fact check a story.

I would consume multiple outlets for news from Fox to Reuters to BBC to CNN.

If something contentious arises, cross check and fact check.

I don't consume "toxic media" but it is quite easy to tell which ones are just plain borderline conspiracy theorists.

How about yourself?

Isn't is amazing...in this day and age of plentiful information sources, that an individual like yourself, an intellect if you will, an individual with a discerning taste in news sources and access to reliable fact checking services....finds himself/herself in a place where you believe that ordinary Americans voted for Trump because the Russians hacked a DNC server and not because of all the issues (the extensive list that mentioned previously) that actually affect the daily lives of ordinary Americans.

How in Gods name did you find yourself in such an ignorant position when all it takes is a few clicks to find alternate sources.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Isn't is amazing...in this day and age of plentiful information sources, that an individual like yourself, an intellect if you will, an individual with a discerning taste in news sources and access to reliable fact checking services....finds himself/herself in a place where you believe that ordinary Americans voted for Trump because the Russians hacked a DNC server and not because of all the issues (the extensive list that mentioned previously) that actually affect the daily lives of ordinary Americans.

How in Gods name did you find yourself in such an ignorant position when all it takes is a few clicks to find alternate sources.

You still drawing conclusions from things I never said?

What was the name of the few documentaries that you watched that makes you think you have a unique inside scoop?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

You still drawing conclusions from things I never said?

What was the name of the few documentaries that you watched that makes you think you have a unique inside scoop?

Oh you are a slippery one.

You are of the opinion that the fact that the DNC servers were hacked played a bigger role in the election of DT over the myriad of issues that ordinary Americans are exposed to in their day to day lives....the fact that you think that knowledge of those issues involves some kind of "inside scoop" is mind boggling....the myriad of issues that I previously mentioned are very real and none of them are fabricated.

I don't think I have any inside scoop, I just watched two documentaries that exposed my own ignorance of issues the media I was consuming never bothered to mention.

There is a reason why I believe that all media is toxic.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Oh you are a slippery one.

You are of the opinion that the fact that the DNC servers were hacked played a bigger role in the election of DT over the myriad of issues that ordinary Americans are exposed to in their day to day lives....the fact that you think that knowledge of those issues involves some kind of "inside scoop" is mind boggling....the myriad of issues that I previously mentioned are very real and none of them are fabricated.

I don't think I have any inside scoop, I just watched two documentaries that exposed my own ignorance of issues the media I was consuming never bothered to mention.

There is a reason why I believe that all media is toxic.

Out of interest, what were the documentaries? Who made them?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Oh you are a slippery one.

You are of the opinion that the fact that the DNC servers were hacked played a bigger role in the election of DT over the myriad of issues that ordinary Americans are exposed to in their day to day lives....

So now you are just making up my opinion?

Could I get the name of those documentaries when you get a chance, would love to give them a watch.

Foxtrol

Silentcorner wrote: »

How did Trump, a complete political novice, who spent a fraction of what Clinton did, who had the entire media establishment behind her back, who spent over 150,000,000 dollars, get to surpass Clinton by 100k votes....have you ever thought about that....we are talking over 65,000,000 people voted for him?

The Russians?
Fox?

Some of the issues you mentioned, as well as racism, sexism, a rigged election system, an extremely disliked candidate, a poor campaign plan and yet she still received 3,000,000 more votes than Trump did.

Change any one of those or take out Russian interference and Trump also loses the electoral college

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Out of interest, what were the documentaries? Who made them?

American Chaos, Jim Stern

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89wQ957RvFc

Saving Capitalism, Robert Reich (former Labour Secratary in the Clinton Admin)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9E2DBzAaI

It is very simple, the ordinary voter wasn't being listened to by Politicians or Media, they were being insulted when they did raise issues, homophobes, racists, etc etc we all remember the coverage of that 2016 campaign.

I have spoke to guys who own business in different parts of the States, who wouldn't typical Trump voters, who can't talk highly enough of the economy, I can only take their view.

francois

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have spoke to guys who own business in different parts of the States, who wouldn't typical Trump voters, who can't talk highly enough of the economy, I can only take their view.

The economy is probably the strongest card he can play for those outside of his base, but if Covid19 takes hold, people cannot afford to take time off work and the stock market keeps slumping, everything is to play for.

notobtuse

CSPAN is about the only non-toxic/non-biased political news media source here. Many say NPR is not biased but I listen to them quite a bit and they very much do have a left leaning agenda and perspective.

Since Democrats still represents around 40% of registered voters (29% Republican, 29% Independent) it will be interesting to see who they go for in this election... Biden the moderate democrat or Sanders the socialist. Socialism still is a dirty word for many here, and if they go with Sanders I foresee a number of democrats (outside the two coasts and urban areas) switching to Independents after the election. It’s been a crazy roller coaster ride for democrats. Two weeks ago the media was touting Sanders as the sure bet to get the nomination, and after Super Tuesday now Biden is the sure bet. The biggest problem I see if Sanders would become president is his crazy ideas will never pass our Congress and we’ll be looking at 4 years of ineffectiveness. If Biden becomes president I wonder who would really be running the show as Biden is incapable of governing. Don't know which one of the two would be more scary.

Foxtrol

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have spoke to guys who own business in different parts of the States, who wouldn't typical Trump voters, who can't talk highly enough of the economy, I can only take their view.

Just Trump once again riding the coattails of what he inherited. On most metrics the last 3 years have shown a slow down when compared to Obama's last 3 as president. Trump is a good self-promoter though and some will believe it.

Guys that own businesses are likely enjoying the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy. I'm sure they're speaking glowingly of him.

notobtuse

francois wrote: »

The economy is probably the strongest card he can play for those outside of his base, but if Covid19 takes hold, people cannot afford to take time off work and the stock market keeps slumping, everything is to play for.

Covid-19 is affecting the entire world’s economies. The democrats and their media handmaidens will try and blame the virus’s effect on the economy all on Trump, but people here are paying attention to world happenings much more than in the past thanks to the internet. The war to pin the blame on Trump will mostly fail except for the hardcore left who would never vote for Trump, regardless.

The biggest threat to the fairness of the election is not from Russia but from the leftists that run Google, Facebook and Twitter. They already are steering traffic to liberal and democrat friendly sites and away from conservative and republican friendly sites, and holding double standards between the left and right with the right being plagued far more often. And it will only get worse the closer we get to the election. But for once it doesn’t look like Republicans will just sit back and take it. Recently a billionaire Republican bought a major stake in Twitter and may oust their CEO amid concerns of political bias by Twitter.

notobtuse

Foxtrol wrote: »

Just Trump once again riding the coattails of what he inherited. On most metrics the last 3 years have shown a slow down when compared to Obama's last 3 as president. Trump is a good self-promoter though and some will believe it.

Guys that own businesses are likely enjoying the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy. I'm sure they're speaking glowingly of him.

Wait... so the first three years of the Trump administration with a great economy were all credited to Obama but the last year of his first term which is seeing a hit to the economy brought on by global fears over Covid-19 is all Trump's fault? I want some of what you're smoking!

notobtuse

Something I thought was strange. At a recent Town Hall Trump suggested that there's something fishy going on with Joe Biden (that’s a nice way of saying Biden's many gaffes slips, forgetfulness, and him convinced of things that never happened, could be a sign that he's simply not mentally competent). At first I found it strange the democrat controlled media didn’t jump all over Trump for saying something sooooo offensive (well anything Trump says is offensive to the mainstream media). But then I thought... Trump only said what is obvious to anyone paying attention to the election -- that Joe is having some very serious mental issues. And does the media really want to give their usual non-stop 24/7 negative news reporting about Trump on this? Does the media really want people to start looking into and questioning the fact that they may end up with a president who is simply mentally incompetent?

Foxtrol

notobtuse wrote: »

Wait... so the first three years of the Trump administration with a great economy were all credited to Obama but the last year of his first term which is seeing a hit to the economy brought on by global fears over Covid-19 is all Trump's fault? I want some of what you're smoking!

My point is the exact opposite. He shouldn't get all the blame for the COVID-19 drop just like my original point that shouldn't get the praise for arriving into a strong economy. Just because something is happening while you're in charge doesn't mean you caused it.

Trump has been stupid enough to tie himself so closely to the success of the stock-market so now has to live with it.

Foxtrol

notobtuse wrote: »

Something I thought was strange. At a recent Town Hall Trump suggested that there's something fishy going on with Joe Biden (that’s a nice way of saying Biden's many gaffes slips, forgetfulness, and him convinced of things that never happened, could be a sign that he's simply not mentally competent). At first I found it strange the democrat controlled media didn’t jump all over Trump for saying something sooooo offensive (well anything Trump says is offensive to the mainstream media). But then I thought... Trump only said what is obvious to anyone paying attention to the election -- that Joe is having some very serious mental issues. And does the media really want to give their usual non-stop 24/7 negative news reporting about Trump on this? Does the media really want people to start looking into and questioning the fact that they may end up with a president who is simply mentally incompetent?

The media has been ignoring and covering for Trumps incoherent rambles and mental issues for the last 6 years so why are you surprised they'll do the same for Biden?

notobtuse

Foxtrol wrote: »

The media has been ignoring and covering for Trumps incoherent rambles and mental issues for the last 6 years so why are you surprised they'll do the same for Biden?

What planet have you been living on? Since Trump announced he was running for president CNN and MSNBC have become the 'All-Trump-All-The-Time' networks and have been providing 24/7 90%-100% negative coverage of him.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is very simple, the ordinary voter wasn't being listened to by Politicians or Media, they were being insulted when they did raise issues, homophobes, racists, etc etc we all remember the coverage of that 2016 campaign.

Stern basically just goes around interviewing racist nutters and lets them rant and rave unchallenged. It's a terrible documentary, I haven't seen the other one.

If they are being called racist homophones the chances are that is because they are, but they aren't the reason Trump won the general election, they are the main reason he won the nomination though, and by God did he pander to them.

Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democrats even if they put up a shít on a stick for the GE.

The reasons Trump won are far more complex, it's probably easier to look at the reasons why Clinton didn't win and her failings.

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The reality is the next President will either be Trump, Sanders or Biden. Candidates all over 70.

America is going backwards, both parties badly need an injection of actual talent based on ability and not likeability if the country is to move forward and fix it's glaring societal problems.

TBF to Sanders he is actual a good person, and he believes what he wants to do, but his plans will go nowhere.

notobtuse

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is very simple, the ordinary voter wasn't being listened to by Politicians or Media, they were being insulted when they did raise issues, homophobes, racists, etc etc we all remember the coverage of that 2016 campaign.

I have spoke to guys who own business in different parts of the States, who wouldn't typical Trump voters, who can't talk highly enough of the economy, I can only take their view.

Nail, Head

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

Stern basically just goes around interviewing racist nutters and lets them rant and rave unchallenged. It's a terrible documentary, I haven't seen the other one.

If they are being called racist homophones the chances are that is because they are, but they aren't the reason Trump won the general election, they are the main reason he won the nomination though, and by God did he pander to them.

Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democrats even if they put up a shít on a stick for the GE.

The reasons Trump won are far more complex, it's probably easier to look at the reasons why Clinton didn't win and her failings.

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The reality is the next President will either be Trump, Sanders or Biden. Candidates all over 70.

America is going backwards, both parties badly need an injection of actual talent based on ability and not likeability if the country is to move forward and fix it's glaring societal problems.

TBF to Sanders he is actual a good person, and he believes what he wants to do, but his plans will go nowhere.

I'll help you out. Hillary lost because of her rancid ideas, her unlikability, her lack of trustworthiness, her ignoring of states she though were in her back pocket, and many voters just didn't overall care much for her. Add to it her feeling of entitlement... she spent a billion dollars telling us voters that she deserved to become president simply because she was a woman.

Foxtrol

notobtuse wrote: »

What planet have you been living on? Since Trump announced he was running for president CNN and MSNBC have become the 'All-Trump-All-The-Time' networks and have been providing 24/7 90%-100% negative coverage of him.

They take issue with the content of what he says, not his slurring, ticks, rambles, inability to retain information...

On a daily basis they could discuss at length how he seems unable to form a thoughtful response, instead they focus on one soundbite from an incoherent word vomit he provides.

The headlines on a daily basis are 'Trump says X horrible new thing', rarely 'Trump shows further signs of mental decline'.

They didn't do the latter for 6 years, you can't expect them to start doing it for Biden.