Boggles wrote: » I watch Fox. Again no, not all media is toxic. Whoosh. I was paraphrasing Trump, but anyway, you watched some documentaries good for you. Sorry, what questions did you ask me lad?
Silentcorner wrote: » Do you feel like a f##king idiot becuase the media you consume didn't inform you about the Opiod crisis, the college debt crisis, the immigration crisis and all the other crisis that I mentioned that has been negatively affecting Americans for a few decades now...who were looking at a choice between a Bush and a Clinton until Donald Trump got pushed into the race by Putin.... Or do you believe that Fox has somehow managed, with the help of Russian bots no doubt, to get at me...to convince me that those issues are real when in actual fact they are completely fabricated by a FOX/Putin combo?
Foxtrol wrote: » The difference of Trump winning or losing in 2016 was about 100k votes spread across 3 states. The sever hacking and associated wall to wall wikileaks media coverage, alongside their targeted voter suppression tactics, could easily have shifted the opinion of that number of voters.
Boggles wrote: » Sorry what makes you think I am not acutely aware of what led to Trump? Do you think because you watched "some documentaries" you have some sort of unique inside scoop? You don't lad. Reel your neck in for Christ sake. You are embarrassing yourself.
Boggles wrote: » Sorry, what questions did you ask me lad?
Silentcorner wrote: » So exactly what media is toxic and what media ain't...let me guess, the media you consume isn't toxic, you know.the media people with "high IQs" like yourself obviously consume which convinces you that Trump is a Russian agent and the media idiots watch is toxic right?
Boggles wrote: » 1 simple question before I entertain such fervent gusto. Who hacked the DNC Server?
Boggles wrote: » People white knighting Fox News, fúcking hell, we have reached peak stupid. :rolleyes:
Silentcorner wrote: » You are the one who brought stupidity into this you are in no position to be telling me to reel in my neck...go away and swallow the next chapter of hysteria your media rams down your throat...you idiot.
WrenBoy wrote: » I didn't ask you any, but I was genuinely interested in your answer to Silentcorners question on what outlets are and aren't reliable.
Boggles wrote: » But your are demanding I answer?
Boggles wrote: » Maybe ask me a question, you have the liberty.
WrenBoy wrote: » Ok, So exactly what media is toxic and what media ain't.. ?
Boggles wrote: » It's pretty simple, people bang on about the spread of "fake news" like it is some new sort of phenomenon, it isn't. The delivery mechanism has changed, but at the same time it has never been easier fact check a story. I would consume multiple outlets for news from Fox to Reuters to BBC to CNN. If something contentious arises, cross check and fact check. I don't consume "toxic media" but it is quite easy to tell which ones are just plain borderline conspiracy theorists. How about yourself?
Silentcorner wrote: » Isn't is amazing...in this day and age of plentiful information sources, that an individual like yourself, an intellect if you will, an individual with a discerning taste in news sources and access to reliable fact checking services....finds himself/herself in a place where you believe that ordinary Americans voted for Trump because the Russians hacked a DNC server and not because of all the issues (the extensive list that mentioned previously) that actually affect the daily lives of ordinary Americans. How in Gods name did you find yourself in such an ignorant position when all it takes is a few clicks to find alternate sources.
Boggles wrote: » You still drawing conclusions from things I never said? What was the name of the few documentaries that you watched that makes you think you have a unique inside scoop?
Silentcorner wrote: » Oh you are a slippery one. You are of the opinion that the fact that the DNC servers were hacked played a bigger role in the election of DT over the myriad of issues that ordinary Americans are exposed to in their day to day lives....the fact that you think that knowledge of those issues involves some kind of "inside scoop" is mind boggling....the myriad of issues that I previously mentioned are very real and none of them are fabricated. I don't think I have any inside scoop, I just watched two documentaries that exposed my own ignorance of issues the media I was consuming never bothered to mention. There is a reason why I believe that all media is toxic.
Silentcorner wrote: » Oh you are a slippery one.You are of the opinion that the fact that the DNC servers were hacked played a bigger role in the election of DT over the myriad of issues that ordinary Americans are exposed to in their day to day lives....
Silentcorner wrote: » How did Trump, a complete political novice, who spent a fraction of what Clinton did, who had the entire media establishment behind her back, who spent over 150,000,000 dollars, get to surpass Clinton by 100k votes....have you ever thought about that....we are talking over 65,000,000 people voted for him? The Russians? Fox?
Deleted User wrote: » Out of interest, what were the documentaries? Who made them?
Silentcorner wrote: » I have spoke to guys who own business in different parts of the States, who wouldn't typical Trump voters, who can't talk highly enough of the economy, I can only take their view.
francois wrote: » The economy is probably the strongest card he can play for those outside of his base, but if Covid19 takes hold, people cannot afford to take time off work and the stock market keeps slumping, everything is to play for.
Foxtrol wrote: » Just Trump once again riding the coattails of what he inherited. On most metrics the last 3 years have shown a slow down when compared to Obama's last 3 as president. Trump is a good self-promoter though and some will believe it. Guys that own businesses are likely enjoying the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy. I'm sure they're speaking glowingly of him.
notobtuse wrote: » Wait... so the first three years of the Trump administration with a great economy were all credited to Obama but the last year of his first term which is seeing a hit to the economy brought on by global fears over Covid-19 is all Trump's fault? I want some of what you're smoking!
notobtuse wrote: » Something I thought was strange. At a recent Town Hall Trump suggested that there's something fishy going on with Joe Biden (that’s a nice way of saying Biden's many gaffes slips, forgetfulness, and him convinced of things that never happened, could be a sign that he's simply not mentally competent). At first I found it strange the democrat controlled media didn’t jump all over Trump for saying something sooooo offensive (well anything Trump says is offensive to the mainstream media). But then I thought... Trump only said what is obvious to anyone paying attention to the election -- that Joe is having some very serious mental issues. And does the media really want to give their usual non-stop 24/7 negative news reporting about Trump on this? Does the media really want people to start looking into and questioning the fact that they may end up with a president who is simply mentally incompetent?
Foxtrol wrote: » The media has been ignoring and covering for Trumps incoherent rambles and mental issues for the last 6 years so why are you surprised they'll do the same for Biden?
Silentcorner wrote: » It is very simple, the ordinary voter wasn't being listened to by Politicians or Media, they were being insulted when they did raise issues, homophobes, racists, etc etc we all remember the coverage of that 2016 campaign.
Silentcorner wrote: » It is very simple, the ordinary voter wasn't being listened to by Politicians or Media, they were being insulted when they did raise issues, homophobes, racists, etc etc we all remember the coverage of that 2016 campaign. I have spoke to guys who own business in different parts of the States, who wouldn't typical Trump voters, who can't talk highly enough of the economy, I can only take their view.
Boggles wrote: » Stern basically just goes around interviewing racist nutters and lets them rant and rave unchallenged. It's a terrible documentary, I haven't seen the other one. If they are being called racist homophones the chances are that is because they are, but they aren't the reason Trump won the general election, they are the main reason he won the nomination though, and by God did he pander to them. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democrats even if they put up a shít on a stick for the GE. The reasons Trump won are far more complex, it's probably easier to look at the reasons why Clinton didn't win and her failings. The reality is the next President will either be Trump, Sanders or Biden. Candidates all over 70. America is going backwards, both parties badly need an injection of actual talent based on ability and not likeability if the country is to move forward and fix it's glaring societal problems. TBF to Sanders he is actual a good person, and he believes what he wants to do, but his plans will go nowhere.
notobtuse wrote: » What planet have you been living on? Since Trump announced he was running for president CNN and MSNBC have become the 'All-Trump-All-The-Time' networks and have been providing 24/7 90%-100% negative coverage of him.
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