“Irish women don’t like foreign women”

pinkyeye

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They tend to be very robotic and abrupt which probably comes across as rude, so there could be something in it. There’s very little warmth in an eastern european woman.

I wouldn't call it robotic or abrupt but I know what you mean. My best friend is polish and she'll say straight out "you look like **** today". I'm able to laugh at it but I have warned her to be careful what she says to certain people.

We're not used to such honesty in Ireland. :D:D

perrito caliente

I had an intimate relationship with a black woman. A beautiful, beautiful creature. I still think about the activities we did together.

Antares35

Opening post reads like "can this generalisation be true? Because I have anecdotal evidence to support it but I dont want to just base my generalisation on that but then someone else gave me anecdotal evidence too so is this ok?"

Never seen it, heard of it or heard anyone else mention it. Marrying a French man myself so couldn't care less if all the Irish men go "running off" with foreign wimmins lol. From what I've seen of my disgusting pig of a brother and his disgusting pigs of male friends, they are the ones running off on their sex holidays to pay for the leg over because those jealous Irish women wont be having them

maninasia

Reign Teeny Jury wrote: »

Is this a thing because I’ve heard it from several non Irish women since I’ve been back in Ireland. All the non Irish women in the office have said it and I’ve heard it from friends who date non Irish girls. Before someone jumps in and says “not all Irish women don’t like foreign women and not in all cases” yes I know I get it but still has anyone heard this before, is this an actual thing?

I put it down to foreign women are more likely to be just passing through and maybe people are reluctant to invest time in a friendship when that person is going to leave but then I was talking to a girl I know who is a teacher and she passed a remark about a friend of ours marrying a foreign woman which I was surprised that she would make that comment but I do sense there is a certain resentment by Irish women that maybe the Irish lads heads are being turned and where they had the rule of the roost for so long, now we have women coming from different countries and there nose is out of joint almost a sense of snobbery or looking down at foreign women.

So is this a thing has anyone heard this before that Irish women don’t like foreign women because I don’t think it’s an issue when it comes to Irish men and foreign lads.

Wife told me she felt resentment from local women. Was surprised but I have to say I noticed they weren't friendly. These were some of my friends or friends friends.

s1ippy

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Have a look at the dating thread above. Some bloke was told by an Irish woman on a date that because he was with foreign women he'd have to have an STD check before they slept together as foreign women all have diseases.

I mean, one could easily speculate that Irish people would be more likely to have sexually-transmitted infections than many of those from other countries, because the difficulty in accessing STD screening services here. A quick Google reveals there are sixteen counties and many bigger cities only have one screening service with one clinic a week. Several counties having no access to STI clinics.

I haven't seen any race-related jealousy among people I know and a lot of the lads are with women from abroad. Could just be the group of people the OP works with. Or I could have less racist friends than their colleagues.

Ultrflat

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Then that person is a bigot.

eld cunt... I'd avoid her like the plauge.

whydoibother

I think in all countries you can see xenophobia. I used to think the Irish were racist but nowadays, after travelling, I realise that people are like that everywhere... however once you start talking to then things seem to get better...
Of course, there are serious cases of racism but those people aren’t good in the head. We’ve seen politicians and socialites being racist in public and they’ve been extra criticised and some even lost their jobs so I think that the majority of people here are actually sound.

Melanchthon

Strangely have heard mainland European women be pretty judgey about British and Irish women and not heard the reverse, didnt seem a like or dislike thing though.

mr_fegelien

One thing I've definitely heard reiterated many times by foreign women and men is the difficulty in making friendships with Irish people. Someone on reddit used an analogy that said Irish people are like peaches, really friendly on a superficial level but when you go to the core, you'll encounter very hard shell that's difficult to break. Seems that most people create this hard shell after secondary school and college when they've established their circle of friends.

Conversely, people in other countries are like coconuts. they may appear cold, hard, and distant on the outside but are actually very friendly on the inside.

Pauliedragon

Every nationality has assholes/friendly/pricks/decent people etc. This nonsense that you can put millions of people under one umbrella is laughable. I know Irish women who are superstar people and I know Irish women who are below the dog crap I stepped on this morning. Same as Irish men, same as the multiple nationalities I've worked with and socialised with over the years. It's not that hard to understand that we're all the same but different regardless of nationality.

Omackeral

Pauliedragon wrote: »

This nonsense that you can put millions of people under one umbrella is laughable.

Yeah, that's what Russians do.

mikhail

Pauliedragon wrote: »

This nonsense that you can put millions of people under one umbrella is laughable.

It is possible to recognise trends without making blanket statements. If I say that men tend to be taller than women, it doesn't deny that there are short men or tall women. Trying to shut down a conversation because you disagree with a farcically simplified version of it is kind of stupid.

Pauliedragon

mikhail wrote: »

It is possible to recognise trends without making blanket statements. If I say that men tend to be taller than women, it doesn't deny that there are short men or tall women. Trying to shut down a conversation because you disagree with a farcically simplified version of it is kind of stupid.

Fair point but the thread title to me is a blanket statement. And I honestly wasn't trying to shut down the conversation. I do get a little sore about stereotypes from living abroad and the constant comments about drunken paddy jokes so maybe I jumped the gun a bit not intentionally.

Pauliedragon

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Fair point but the thread title to me is a blanket statement. And I honestly wasn't trying to shut down the conversation. I do get a little sore about stereotypes from living abroad and the constant comments about drunken paddy jokes so maybe I jumped the gun a bit not intentionally.

I also live abroad a lot, and the "drunken paddy" stereotype is pretty accurate. Not everyone mind, but most Irish expats, or others travelling tend to view getting wasted as the high point of the evening. It's one of the main reasons I avoid groups of Irish abroad, or bars popular with the Irish. Drunken idiots and inevitably some trouble, like a brawl of some kind. (same with the English Btw)

Stereotypes are unavoidable. Just accept that when they people "bla bla bla" there's a hidden clause that says not everyone, just what they've heard or seen themselves. Still, the Irish drink culture is pretty strong with many Irish, who seem to take extreme pride in their drinking.

Larry murphy Ladd

The last dandelion

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I also live abroad a lot, and the "drunken paddy" stereotype is pretty accurate. Not everyone mind, but most Irish expats, or others travelling tend to view getting wasted as the high point of the evening. It's one of the main reasons I avoid groups of Irish abroad, or bars popular with the Irish. Drunken idiots and inevitably some trouble, like a brawl of some kind. (same with the English Btw)

Stereotypes are unavoidable. Just accept that when they people "bla bla bla" there's a hidden clause that says not everyone, just what they've heard or seen themselves. Still, the Irish drink culture is pretty strong with many Irish, who seem to take extreme pride in their drinking.

You’re ever so sophisticated.

Sam Hain

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Fair point but the thread title to me is a blanket statement. And I honestly wasn't trying to shut down the conversation. I do get a little sore about stereotypes from living abroad and the constant comments about drunken paddy jokes so maybe I jumped the gun a bit not intentionally.

It's ok, you can go back to being a superstar person now.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You’re ever so sophisticated.

That's the problem, really... I'm not. The guys/gals doing the heavy drinking are simply worse. :rolleyes:

meeeeh

A belief held by men populating sadder parts of Boards isn't necessarily a general stereotype.

As a foreigner I never felt much hostility but maybe it's because I'm married to a decent man with very decent friends, male and female. If people think Irish women don't like foreign women it might just the women in their group of friends. and then maybe the right question is not why Irish women are like that but why I'm friends with these people.

nthclare

Another mad post on board's, I seriously wonder at the type's of observations people make about Irish women and Irish men etc

There's an infiltration of an almost women hater or incel like attitude creeping back into board's.

Irish women love foreign women,they admire their own, they'd never be jealous of others.
Well not the Irish women im friends with because I avoid hostile conversations and my female friends know that I don't tolerate resentful conversations or bitching.

Any woman who doesn't like a woman because of their looks or nationally needs a reality check.
There's no such thing as an ugly person either.

Billy Connolly was right on, when he said it's amazing when you grow up and live sober everyone starts to shine and the world's a beautiful place...

I was once a mad bastard drinking every weekend, thinking this is the life hanging out with shallow people, they were so ****ing narrow minded and bitter both their ears touched off eachother.

I think Irish women are great and they are the same as women all over the world.

Something I observed about men and women, is women like talking about their family, friends, work, socialising and looking after themselves in general and then they usually like to talk about their chosen hobby or interests.. They seem to stick to the subject matter of the action rather than thing's like if they went somewhere.
They'd say myself and the girl's went off on a trip to Kerry for the weekend.

Men like taking about thing's, their new surfboard, their latest toy, their favourite DJ mixer, they like to get into the nitty gritty...

In the paragraph above I said if women were on a trip to Kerry they'd say we went to Kerry for the weekend, that's it that's how they describe the journey.

A guy would say John drove us to Kerry in his new 5 series BMW, they'd mention the colour of the car, the engine output, where John went flat to the mat from the other side of Abbeyfeale to almost Tralee. Then the story would turn into the road trip itself , the trim inside the car, how the beast went from 0 to 6O in so many second's.
I've a high power car myself and I like to go flat to the mat on that big wide road as you're on the other side of Abbeyfeale both lanes are the size of two lanes on a dual carriageway. I wonder did the Healy Rae's get that done for a reason. It must be the widest road in Europe.
I love driving it, actually come to think of it, it's the only road in Ireland where you can overtake and the car's on the other side are so far in to the left on their side that it's like the twilight zone.

That's the difference I observed between the two sexes. Guy's like talking about things... while women are more like well we drove to Kerry.. that's it they might mention they stopped off and had something nice to eat in a restaurant or cafe a friend suggested.

Guy's on the other hand stop in the petrol station/shop and get cans of coke and chicken wings or breast's etc and eat them in the car.

We're different from each other, but we can compromise and respect each other.
I have some really good female friends and we go on road trips now and again especially if one of us need a laugh, I've a really flamboyant sense of humour, sometimes dark and as dry as the ice in Antarctica or as hot as the flames of hell. Throw that sense of humour in with an alpha attitude then anything could be said or suggested...

So I don't think Irish women dislike foreign women, it's not my observation anyhow.

I've come across more Irish men disliking foreign men, especially foreign guy's who can outfish an Irish guy on a river or is better looking etc

I'm tired after that waffle

Giraffe Box

nthclare wrote: »

Another mad post on board's, I seriously wonder at the type's of observations people make about Irish women and Irish men etc

There's an infiltration of an almost women hater or incel like attitude creeping back into board's.

Irish women love foreign women,they admire their own, they'd never be jealous of others.
Well not the Irish women im friends with because I avoid hostile conversations and my female friends know that I don't tolerate resentful conversations or bitching.

Any woman who doesn't like a woman because of their looks or nationally needs a reality check.
There's no such thing as an ugly person either.

Billy Connolly was right on, when he said it's amazing when you grow up and live sober everyone starts to shine and the world's a beautiful place...

I was once a mad bastard drinking every weekend, thinking this is the life hanging out with shallow people, they were so ****ing narrow minded and bitter both their ears touched off eachother.

I think Irish women are great and they are the same as women all over the world.

Something I observed about men and women, is women like talking about their family, friends, work, socialising and looking after themselves in general and then they usually like to talk about their chosen hobby or interests.. They seem to stick to the subject matter of the action rather than thing's like if they went somewhere.
They'd say myself and the girl's went off on a trip to Kerry for the weekend.

Men like taking about thing's, their new surfboard, their latest toy, their favourite DJ mixer, they like to get into the nitty gritty...

In the paragraph above I said if women were on a trip to Kerry they'd say we went to Kerry for the weekend, that's it that's how they describe the journey.

A guy would say John drove us to Kerry in his new 5 series BMW, they'd mention the colour of the car, the engine output, where John went flat to the mat from the other side of Abbeyfeale to almost Tralee. Then the story would turn into the road trip itself , the trim inside the car, how the beast went from 0 to 6O in so many second's.
I've a high power car myself and I like to go flat to the mat on that big wide road as you're on the other side of Abbeyfeale both lanes are the size of two lanes on a dual carriageway. I wonder did the Healy Rae's get that done for a reason. It must be the widest road in Europe.
I love driving it, actually come to think of it, it's the only road in Ireland where you can overtake and the car's on the other side are so far in to the left on their side that it's like the twilight zone.

That's the difference I observed between the two sexes. Guy's like talking about things... while women are more like well we drove to Kerry.. that's it they might mention they stopped off and had something nice to eat in a restaurant or cafe a friend suggested.

Guy's on the other hand stop in the petrol station/shop and get cans of coke and chicken wings or breast's etc and eat them in the car.

We're different from each other, but we can compromise and respect each other.
I have some really good female friends and we go on road trips now and again especially if one of us need a laugh, I've a really flamboyant sense of humour, sometimes dark and as dry as the ice in Antarctica or as hot as the flames of hell. Throw that sense of humour in with an alpha attitude then anything could be said or suggested...

So I don't think Irish women dislike foreign women, it's not my observation anyhow.

I've come across more Irish men disliking foreign men, especially foreign guy's who can outfish an Irish guy on a river or is better looking etc

I'm tired after that waffle

Is the above in bold a metaphor?

cj maxx

nthclare wrote: »

Another mad post on board's, I seriously wonder at the type's of observations people make about Irish women and Irish men etc

There's an infiltration of an almost women hater or incel like attitude creeping back into board's.

Irish women love foreign women,they admire their own, they'd never be jealous of others.
Well not the Irish women im friends with because I avoid hostile conversations and my female friends know that I don't tolerate resentful conversations or bitching.

Any woman who doesn't like a woman because of their looks or nationally needs a reality check.
There's no such thing as an ugly person either.

Billy Connolly was right on, when he said it's amazing when you grow up and live sober everyone starts to shine and the world's a beautiful place...

I was once a mad bastard drinking every weekend, thinking this is the life hanging out with shallow people, they were so ****ing narrow minded and bitter both their ears touched off eachother.

I think Irish women are great and they are the same as women all over the world.

Something I observed about men and women, is women like talking about their family, friends, work, socialising and looking after themselves in general and then they usually like to talk about their chosen hobby or interests.. They seem to stick to the subject matter of the action rather than thing's like if they went somewhere.
They'd say myself and the girl's went off on a trip to Kerry for the weekend.

Men like taking about thing's, their new surfboard, their latest toy, their favourite DJ mixer, they like to get into the nitty gritty...

In the paragraph above I said if women were on a trip to Kerry they'd say we went to Kerry for the weekend, that's it that's how they describe the journey.

A guy would say John drove us to Kerry in his new 5 series BMW, they'd mention the colour of the car, the engine output, where John went flat to the mat from the other side of Abbeyfeale to almost Tralee. Then the story would turn into the road trip itself , the trim inside the car, how the beast went from 0 to 6O in so many second's.
I've a high power car myself and I like to go flat to the mat on that big wide road as you're on the other side of Abbeyfeale both lanes are the size of two lanes on a dual carriageway. I wonder did the Healy Rae's get that done for a reason. It must be the widest road in Europe.
I love driving it, actually come to think of it, it's the only road in Ireland where you can overtake and the car's on the other side are so far in to the left on their side that it's like the twilight zone.

That's the difference I observed between the two sexes. Guy's like talking about things... while women are more like well we drove to Kerry.. that's it they might mention they stopped off and had something nice to eat in a restaurant or cafe a friend suggested.

Guy's on the other hand stop in the petrol station/shop and get cans of coke and chicken wings or breast's etc and eat them in the car.

We're different from each other, but we can compromise and respect each other.
I have some really good female friends and we go on road trips now and again especially if one of us need a laugh, I've a really flamboyant sense of humour, sometimes dark and as dry as the ice in Antarctica or as hot as the flames of hell. Throw that sense of humour in with an alpha attitude then anything could be said or suggested...

So I don't think Irish women dislike foreign women, it's not my observation anyhow.

I've come across more Irish men disliking foreign men, especially foreign guy's who can outfish an Irish guy on a river or is better looking etc

I'm tired after that waffle

We are all tired after that waffle

nthclare

Giraffe Box wrote: »

Is the above in bold a metaphor?

I probably listen to men more lol

nthclare

cj maxx wrote: »

We are all tired after that waffle

Looks like we're all in this together

playonplayette

meeeeh wrote: »

Why do some Irish men feel so threatened by Irish women? This thread is perfect example of it. I never came across that before moving to Ireland. I would have friends who considered one or other nationality more attractive but I never came across insulting the personality of women of the same nationality.

Because they know them well. Well to a certain extent. You have a shared knowledge somewhat. On meeting another Irish person, you might think you have a good idea of who they are overall by their accent, where in Ireland they're from, how they dress etc. Based on stereotypes but there is probably in a lot of cases a more detailed first impression which can form negative opinions and positive too of course.

Men who say or who do prefer foreign women only, might get a more positive first impression. There's easier starter conversation pieces, may use or notice body language more if english is not the first language, can show off their Irish wit etc. Or for example with accents, an irish person might write someone off I.e d2 accent - too posh, inner city accent - too common and all the things people associate with accents but they probably won't know a foreign person is their version of a d2'er in their country etc.


This translates as 'easier to talk too', 'more approachable.'

Other's go the opposite, like examples given here where people are saying some mother's don't like their sons dating foreign women. They might feel they don't know them well enough - translates as 'theyre hiding something.'

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

I also live abroad a lot, and the "drunken paddy" stereotype is pretty accurate. Not everyone mind, but most Irish expats, or others travelling tend to view getting wasted as the high point of the evening. It's one of the main reasons I avoid groups of Irish abroad, or bars popular with the Irish. Drunken idiots and inevitably some trouble, like a brawl of some kind. (same with the English Btw)

Stereotypes are unavoidable. Just accept that when they people "bla bla bla" there's a hidden clause that says not everyone, just what they've heard or seen themselves. Still, the Irish drink culture is pretty strong with many Irish, who seem to take extreme pride in their drinking.

I find Irish people generally to be nice and courteous and not arrogant when abroad, even when drinking. Irish, Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, all have a drinking culture, many Americans and Canadians too, basically anywhere that speaks English. If you want to see messy go to the Circle line on the tube in London on Waitangi or Australia day, makes us Irish look like teetotallers.

c.p.w.g.w

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I find Irish people generally to be nice and courteous and not arrogant when abroad, even when drinking. Irish, Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, all have a drinking culture, many Americans and Canadians too, basically anywhere that speaks English. If you want to see messy go to the Circle line on the tube in London on Waitangi or Australia day, makes us Irish look like teetotallers.

I was in Oz for a while, as a result of what I witnessed from many Irish, I actually didn't drink for 30 months. I even since I starting drinking again, it's significantly reduced in quantity & occurance.

cj maxx

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I was in Oz for a while, as a result of what I witnessed from many Irish, I actually didn't drink for 30 months. I even since I starting drinking again, it's significantly reduced in quantity & occurance.

Can't speak about Australia but generally in NY , though there was loads of drink taken the Irish were ,in the main ,pretty respectful to others.
Though that may not be true for the younger ones who came over later

I'd say they don't hate foreign women any more than SOME women tend to hate other women. And there is the thing of foreign women more likely to be "skinny bitches" as I've heard them described.

kowloonkev

Women's relationships with other women is complicated. Better to not ask about it or bring it up in conversation, and agree whenever they bring it up.