Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117800085#Comment_117800085

She got media coverage because her parents are connected to the media. She has a foundation to manage her donations and earnings. Her intentions may have been well intended but it’s a job that she benefits from now. I have always questioned why people need to be lectured at by a child, let climate scientists make the arguments but then they can be questioned whereas anyone that raises questions can be seen as picking on a child. The case should stand on its own merit. The problem is that the result is more taxes, it will result in a green tax that won’t really resolve the core issues.

Kaybaykwah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117800754#Comment_117800754

Does it matter if she has parents that were enablers at all? She isn’t necessarily speaking as a singular figurehead for the climate change scientific crew. The green tax certainly doesn’t solve the behavioural nor the core issues, but these need to be addressed. I get that people don’t like the lecturing, we are so far gone into consumerism and individualism that admonishments are unwelcome.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117802959#Comment_117802959

It’s all just lip service, the realities of change would be too difficult for most people. My carbon foot print is smaller than most of the campaigners, I walk to work and don’t drive, only go on European holidays every few years. I cook almost all of my own food so use less packaging. I work with people that say they are environmentally conscious but drive a car to work even though they could cycle or bus it then are off flying somewhere for a weekend break.

Look at the extension rebellion protesters, they all have new phones and travelled to the protest. They shut down the train lines forcing people to drive to work. The founder was a ‘world traveler’, his carbon footprint is higher than 90% of people.

Paddygreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805436#Comment_117805436

Climate Action activists must emit Co2 until there is enough Climate Awareness to kick off Climate Revolution which will lead to Climate Justice. How in the name of Al Gore am I supposed to raise awareness if I can't go to Bali to find myself?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117797402#Comment_117797402

There is a business model behind Ms. Thunberg, the most recent exposed example her unintentional leak of a toolkit supplied by a Canadian public relations firm. The folks in the shadows running the commercial operation I mean tax efficient foundation have tried to extend the PR business model into Covid. Manipulating her personal fears and commercialising it. Very nasty thing to do to a young woman, isn't it?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117821764#Comment_117821764

This, in a nutshell, is nonsense.

You think it is surprising that someone who has the exposure and reach Greta has might have assistance in providing advocacy in other areas? And that she shouldn't comment on Covid and the disparate approaches and implications of this also?

For the love of God, the most influential lobbyist group on the planet is those of Energy companies and they have done and are doing everything in their power to manipulate public understanding and perception of the impact their business model has on the environment and on the laws which are proposed to protect it and as a consequence might affect their bottom line. And probably second in line to the energy lobbyists are business interests seeking favourable tax laws to be introduced and loopholes left open. And you use 'tax efficient' with respect to someone supposedly involved with Greta like this would be the first time any organisation ever had the never to do such a thing? Are you serious?

And this absolute laughable BS of anyone or any organisation who supports her as evidence of manipulating and commercialising her personal fears is grossfully misleading. What do you think, that someone who has had the impact she has had in global media and has been invited to speak at so many governmental and strategic institutions should do so entirely of her own back without receiving advice and guidance. She already gets ridiculed and told to go back to school for commenting in the first place, when there is any mention of someone working with her it is painted as some nefarious conspiracy theory.

Funny how a lot of the people who express concern on behalf of 'young woman' when trying to shut Greta down are first in line to tell them to calm down when they talk about being cat-called or treated in a disparaging manner because of their gender.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117823862#Comment_117823862

Don’t kid yourself this is all spin. The largest polluters now just buy carbon credits from greener companies. Can the likes of Tesla really call themselves green when they sell their carbon credits to the biggest polluters that just pass this off to their customers as an operating expense?

The environmental groups like extinction rebellion do more harm than good. They don’t offer anything constructive, they just rub people the wrong way by making life difficult for ordinary people. Why don’t they shutdown parliament rather than making life difficult for commuters? I’d be very interested to see their accounting records too.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117824012#Comment_117824012

The environmental groups like extinction rebellion do more harm than good. They don’t offer anything constructive, they just rub people the wrong way by making life difficult for ordinary people.

Because governments and elected officials in general only start to care when they think the Public are annoyed with them. Were anyone to stop the government as everyone else goes about their business, no one would really care but the detractors who don't want to see any policy changes would now refer to activists as insurrectionists to further undermine any idea that they should be listened to.

In Ireland, FG, backed by FF, signed Ireland up to the Paris Agreement. People then ripped the greens to shreds during the last Program for Government negotiations for any sort of conversation about meeting our obligations with respect to that and gave FG/FF a pass.

Point me in the direction of someone who is doing something constructive which will help us move towards achieving the targets we signed up to, or else I'm going to continue supporting the people, such as Greta, who are simply pointing out, correctly, that not enough is being done. Do people not realise just how difficult life will become if this continues?

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-58387017

You tell em Greta.

I'd like to propose Greta for President of the World.

Paddygreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117824101#Comment_117824101

Carnage kermo,

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117824101#Comment_117824101

We would need to cut our beef and dairy production. This sounds good to environmentalists but everything has a consequences. We produce meat but most is exported which raises more questions about quotas, isn’t the country that consumes the product just as culpable?

We are a small country being lectured to by Germans that sidestepped their green quotas by importing gas from Russia. Nothing is solved there.

To add to this there could be power cuts this winter because they closed the peat processing power plant.

What’s is your carbon foot print? How often do you travel and how far, foreign holidays (not just now but in the past), do you drive?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117832054#Comment_117832054

That is literally like a smoker arguing that they shouldn't quit because of the potential negative impact to the tobacco and trade industry and because there is pollution from cars anyway.

As for me, I typically take one long holiday every few years rather that frequent short ones. I never buy disposable coffee cups (have my current keep cup 4 years), my HI-FI stereo at home is 23 years old (Sony DHCMDX10 - love it) and I kept my last CRT TV for 12 years and only discarded it as I was moving abroad. I use public transport if and when I can and I did a Masters Thesis on the circular economy. But of course, this is the internet, and you can take or leave my claims.

But this isn't about the individual because it is too easy for people at that level to absolve themselves from action with the argument that 1 person out of X Billion won't make any difference, people will act in a more meaningful way when governments create policies that influence options and choices. And these need to be pro-sustainability more so than pro-growth. And if you don't like the idea of government dictating peoples choices, I would point out that that is what we elect them to do and from the day 2 people first moved in together, there were rules decided on and implemented for the benefit of the group rather than a single individual. It's how society has evolved.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117833056#Comment_117833056

You don’t say if you drive but even the one holiday every few years is a huge carbon footprint. Also as you have a masters, so you are in a higher tax bracket, do you think it’s fair that a cleaner that flies home once a year is hit with a potential higher green tax bill than you? There are ways and means of doing things but all I’m seeing is railroading of a green tax rather than dealing with issues. Most developed nations are exporting their problems to poorer countries and then try to scold them for not being green.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838432#Comment_117838432

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? How does me having a Masters automatically determine my income, or because I may have a higher income than a cleaner, they should be able to fly home once a year, but I can't go on vacation every few years?

Have you any suggestions as to rules you would bring in to play tomorrow which would help the situation if you were in a position to do so?

You're absolutely correct in terms of the shirking of responsibility that is going on in developing nations, but how do we change that?

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839062#Comment_117839062

I think the green tax should be based on usage. Fly once a year and no charge, twice and you get charged, more every time after too. It should scale up.

Second, industrial pollution should not be exported, if it is then it should still be taxed. Importing energy should decrease the carbon credits allowed to the country (ie Germany).

Any green plan needs to be fair. Ireland should have extra credits as we export our beef, even though we produce it we don’t consume most of it.

Paddygreen

If we are to smite and eventually annihilate our Climate Enemies then we must not fear getting radical. Make it so that carbon is capped and anyone who dares go above their quota is made sit on a stationary cycle device with a little generator connected to the grid until the pay their dues.

Kaybaykwah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884528#Comment_117884528

Yes, that, and have them chew on beans to collect precious methane as an energy saving measure. Nothing too small, every little step counts.

Potatoeman

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/student-goes-topless-extinction-rebellion-24856116

This topless protester has a green car. If you’re in these protest groups can you at least not have a car and not fly. Having a green car is still having a car and still has a carbon footprint.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889118#Comment_117889118

Everyone has a carbon footprint, and if she lived in a mud hut with no electricity you'd dismiss her as a lunatic. I think the point being made by these people is that the way society is at the moment is akin to us walking towards the edge of a cliff, we all partake in it in rich countries but it doesn't mean people don't want things to change while things are still salvageable.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890348#Comment_117890348

The first step would be not flying and not driving. There is zero point protesting if you are not willing to make these basic changes to your own lifestyle.

Paddygreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890348#Comment_117890348

We are so close to the precipice of doom. Edging closer and closer to Climate Armageddon. We must repent for our Climate Sins. I plan to put my coat on and sit in near darkness this winter. Got a little hand crank device to charge my phone and enough pot noodles to see me through. Not going to boil a kettle though, cold water and I'm going to sit on it like a chicken until it's ready.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895078#Comment_117895078

your posts aren't funny and they never have been, try doing something else.

Pussyhands

Ah isn't it great Greta isn't seen on the news as much anymore. The same thing that happened to Boy Hercules is happening to Greta. When they're a kid, it's novel, they're everywhere. Boy Hercules starred in movies etc.

Then when they become adults they're just another bodybuilder/activist and everything falls apart for them.

Tell me how

^^^

That's a weird insight in to your movie interests.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895078#Comment_117895078

You might need to, if we have blackouts this winter.

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117827464#Comment_117827464

Sad thing is I don't think you're even joking.

Hego Damask

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58597504

Not all about climate change, a general article but this stuck out for me

"Lina Ziethen's main concern is climate change. "We have to stand up and say stop driving cars, stop flying on holiday because we need to reduce emissions"

No surprise her main concern is climate change with the way the media are fearmongering over it constantly...

Hope she doesn't need to drive to work when she finally gets a job, also I'm sure she never goes on holiday abroad either ...

We already see these spoiled kids blocking traffic on the roads :

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1437364207176060928?s=20

This is not helping only alienating people and they are extremists - and the problem is the media is enabling them so they will get more and more emboldened.

I will make a prediction here, we will see airport bombings and random SUV bombings by these utter lunatics, just watch.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117909067#Comment_117909067

I've never known someone so young know so much about everything.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117909084#Comment_117909084

No surprise her main concern is climate change with the way the media are fearmongering over it constantly

Would you prefer to keep your head in the sand and not acknowledge the problem?

Pussyhands

Anyone who voted for the greens/climate issues has no right to complain about rising inflation. This is exactly what people said would happen if you wanted to "go green".

Sure, not all aspects of current inflation are related to that but the energy crisis definitely is. We shut down peat plants and replaced them with what? Wind turbines? What happens when the wind doesn't blow?

People in favour of acting on climate change think they can have the same quality of life as before while doing so. I saw some eejit the other day saying they're doing their bit because they don't get rid of their phone until it's obsolete. To tackle climate change you can't have a smart phone made in China AT ALL!

I see Salad Boy came out to the protestors yesterday saying he's going to listen to them. Where was he when the housing or Mica protestors were there? Why isn't he listening to them? Little **** with rich daddies egged on by their teachers trying to go viral with their "witty" signs. Just wanting the day off school. Hold the protest on Saturdays and we'll see how many really care. "Our futures are being stolen from us!"....Skipping school and becoming a runt is your own doing.