Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The coast guard could have handled this Aegir.

Your inability to see when you are being manipulated by an over the top gung ho managed response to a problem the UK has created (probably deliberately) is as usual, predictable.

no they couldn't. They are not a law enforcement organisation

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Brexit 'protest' sailed down the Thames at one point...did they send 'gunboats'?

Destroyers? They're fishing boats ffs!

Was the the Brexit protest escorted by police boats?

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was the the Brexit protest escorted by police boats?

A 'police launch'. An adequate response in the Thames and would have been adequate in Jersey too, if the UK had have been able to resist the now typical gung ho, Britannia Rules The Waves response.

Embarrassing 'sledgehammer to crack a nut' again.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A 'police launch'. An adequate response in the Thames and would have been adequate in Jersey too, if the UK had have been able to resist the now typical gung ho, Britannia Rules The Waves response.

Embarrassing 'sledgehammer to crack a nut' again.

I can't believe I have to explain this but here goes.

Have you ever been to sea? A police launch is not fit for the open sea, a naval vessel is not fit for policing a protest on a river.

Embarrassing for you.

A few years ago, the British were talking about supplying NI with electricity from offshore ships. Can't they just do that with Jersey and avoid all this confrontation?

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I can't believe I have to explain this but here goes.

Have you ever been to sea? A police launch is not fit for the open sea, a naval vessel is not fit for policing a protest on a river.

Embarrassing for you.

Dorset Police have boats that cover an area extending 12 miles off shore.

Jersey is 14 miles from France itself. A good rower could make that distance!

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A 'police launch'. An adequate response in the Thames and would have been adequate in Jersey too, if the UK had have been able to resist the now typical gung ho, Britannia Rules The Waves response.

Embarrassing 'sledgehammer to crack a nut' again.

maybe they should have asked the French fishermen to delay their protest a couple of days so the police launch could get there?

Leroy42

The real risk is that as Brexit issues continue, and this is yeat another along with NI, shellfish etc, that the UK are forced into taking stronger and stronger action to divert peoples attention from the reality (Brexit) and show how strong they are.

It is not a stretch to see something like this going a bit too far, people on one side or the other getting a bit miffed and the wrong actions taken at the wrong time. IT doesn't take much to create a spark.

The real cost of Brexit could be the loss of diplomatic avenues to resolve what are pretty normal issues

Leroy42

Aegir wrote: »

maybe they should have asked the French fishermen to delay their protest a couple of days so the police launch could get there?

Or maybe the UK could have simply accepted that the French are entitled to ignore rules and simply postpone implementation until they want to?

Why is the UK getting worked up about something they themselves seem to deem an absolute right for a sovereign nation?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

A few years ago, the British were talking about supplying NI with electricity from offshore ships. Can't they just do that with Jersey and avoid all this confrontation?

https://twitter.com/electricjersey/status/1389883697663516674?s=20

Leroy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

Or maybe the UK could have simply accepted that the French are entitled to ignore rules and simply postpone implementation until they want to?

Why is the UK getting worked up about something they themselves seem to deem an absolute right for a sovereign nation?

What?

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

maybe they should have asked the French fishermen to delay their protest a couple of days so the police launch could get there?

What??


This isn't the Falklands...we are talking about 10's of nautical miles, not 1000's.

*They think it's the Falklands is the problem and that it will offer the UK PM the same gung ho boost as the Falklands gave an ailing Thatcher.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Dorset Police have boats that cover an area extending 12 miles off shore.

Jersey is 14 miles from France itself. A good rower could make that distance!

They have ONE boat capable of this, but ok, let's say they send that boat....you do realise the Dorset police have no jurisdiction in Jersey right?

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They have ONE boat capable of this, but ok, let's say they send that boat....you do realise the Dorset police have no jurisdiction in Jersey right?

You are telling there are no boats available in Jersey? An island with a **** load oif boats?

I wouldn't even be bothered googling the availability of boats in Jersey...I happen to know of the Dorset one, which is the reason I posted it.

biko

France just comes off as petty for threatening to cut off the electricity.

Leroy42

Aegir wrote: »

What?

Aren;t the French just doing a version of what the UK in unilaterally extending the implementation period for the NIP? That was rejoiced as a sovereign nation taking control.

Seems the French fishermen are just following the same level of thinking that they have the right to make whatever choices they want and everyone else just needs to accept it.

I don't agree with either position, but cannot see why the UK is taking such offence.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are telling there are no boats available in Jersey? An island with a **** load oif boats?

I wouldn't even be bothered googling the availability of boats in Jersey...I happen to know of the Dorset one, which is the reason I posted it.

You posted about a UK police force having a boat that could reach an island where they have no jurisdiction:pac:

Also the boat has a capacity of 200 miles on a full tank, the distance from Dorset to Jersey is 150 miles, it takes a ferry 4 and a half hours so you're looking at taking a ribbed boat out to open rough sea for a minimum of two hours to go to an island where they have no powers whatsoever. And yet you still argue this idiotic point :rolleyes:

Does the Jersey police force have a maritime police force?

brickster69

Hillarious. They threaten to invoke Article 16, block exports of vaccines, raid international companies factories and now they threaten to cut off a small islands electricity supply. The world is watching and laughing.

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

France just comes off as petty for threatening to cut off the electricity.

Seen a tweet earlier from Jersey got saying the power station there is sufficient to keep the electricity on.

Meanwhile it seems the French navy are sending a couple of boats over

French authorities have confirmed to Sky News that a vessel, the Military Ops ship Athos, will be arriving "imminently" to carry out a "patrol mission" - while local reports suggest another is also en route.

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You posted about a UK police force having a boat that could reach an island where they have no jurisdiction:pac:

Bull...I gave an example of a coastal vessel belonging to the UK which I would assume all areas with 'coasts' would have similar.

You jumped typically.

Also the boat has a capacity of 200 miles on a full tank, the distance from Dorset to Jersey is 150 miles, it takes a ferry 4 and a half hours so you're looking at taking a ribbed boat out to open rough sea for a minimum of two hours to go to an island where they have no powers whatsoever. And yet you still argue this idiotic point :rolleyes:

Does the Jersey police force have a maritime police force?

Were are you going with 200 miles?

The protest was to last for a few hours...they are fishing vessels, not armed invasion vessels.

Calm down. If they had 'blockaded' the port then it was warranted to send a warship.

But not the UK, they have to go in gung ho...why? Because they cannot resist playing to the little Englanders. There are votes in it.

Aegir

Aegir wrote: »

https://twitter.com/electricjersey/status/1389883697663516674?s=20

Then the obvious response is surely to not issue any permits and let France cut the electricity. That's the issue dealt with.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bull...I gave an example of a coastal vessel belonging to the UK which I would assume all areas with 'coasts' would have similar.

You jumped typically.



Were are you going with 200 miles?

The protest was to last for a few hours...they are fishing vessels, not armed invasion vessels.

Calm down. If they had 'blockaded' the port then it was warranted to send a warship.

But not the UK, they have to go in gung ho...why? Because they cannot resist playing to the little Englanders. There are votes in it.

Well a French vessel has rammed one of the locals so not the peaceful protest you are claiming.

https://news.sky.com/video/french-boat-rams-british-vessel-in-jersey-waters-12298301

brickster69

brickster69 wrote: »

Hillarious. They threaten to invoke Article 16, block exports of vaccines, raid international companies factories and now they threaten to cut off a small islands electricity supply. The world is watching and laughing.

The EU did two, Italy did one, and France did one.

And who's laughing? The British people? The happier they are with everything that's happening, the better. The EU needs the UK to be hyper nationalistic and delighted with Brexit, regardless of what the impacts are or what further deals and concessions take place.

steddyeddy

Aegir wrote: »

like I said, try holding a peaceful protest in Grafton street and see how many Guards turn up.

If the government wanted to engage in gun boat diplomacy, then they would have sent a couple of destroyers, not two OPVs.

There's something you're missing here Aegir and it's context. I'll venture as far to say that a lot of Anglo-Irish history indicates that the British state is often discounts the role it played in creating a situation in the first place.

This is exactly that. The British voted for Brexit based on lies and often an undeserved animosity towards the EU. During the negotiations the actual British government misrepresented the EU side of the negotiations to the British public. Lie after lie after lie comes from the British government in relation to the EU and the negotiations. All of this is a consequence of those lies and events that were set in motion by a nation carried away by English nationalism.

Yes the French government are acting in a threatening way but this was preceded by years of aggressive anti-EU propaganda of the part of the British.

loughside

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57008220

BREAKING:
"The UK economy will enjoy its strongest growth in peacetime this year as Covid-19 lockdown restrictions are lifted, according to the Bank of England.

The economy is expected to expand 7.25% in 2021, with extra government cash for workers and businesses helping to limit job losses.

This would be the strongest growth since official records began in 1949."

I`m beginning to feel a tad sorry for you folk down in the 26 counties as the EU falls into double-dip recession and the UK goes from strength to strength, ...................

well, hmmm, maybe not

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

There's something you're missing here Aegir and it's context. I'll venture as far to say that a lot of Anglo-Irish history indicates that the British state is often discounts the role it played in creating a situation in the first place.

This is exactly that. The British voted for Brexit based on lies and often an undeserved animosity towards the EU. During the negotiations the actual British government misrepresented the EU side of the negotiations to the British public. Lie after lie after lie comes from the British government in relation to the EU and the negotiations. All of this is a consequence of those lies and events that were set in motion by a nation carried away by English nationalism.

Yes the French government are acting in a threatening way but this was preceded by years of aggressive anti-EU propaganda of the part of the British.

Mary, Joseph and the wee donkey :rolleyes:

It was a protest by French fishermen that had the potential to turn nasty and the Royal Navy sent two ships from the fisheries protection squadron to make sure it didn't, but this is what, another example of 800 years of oppression?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WjD_EmBvg

Leroy42

Grows 7.25% from what?

loughside

loughside wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57008220

BREAKING:
"The UK economy will enjoy its strongest growth in peacetime this year as Covid-19 lockdown restrictions are lifted, according to the Bank of England.

The economy is expected to expand 7.25% in 2021, with extra government cash for workers and businesses helping to limit job losses.

This would be the strongest growth since official records began in 1949."

I`m beginning to feel a tad sorry for you folk down in the 26 counties as the EU falls into double-dip recession and the UK goes from strength to strength, ...................

well, hmmm, maybe not

2020
Ireland: +3.3%
The UK: -9.9%

2021 forecasts
Ireland: +3.1%
The UK: +7.25%

"I feel sorry for the 26 counties." - Someone who is completely shlt at basic Maths.

Ireland base: 100
The UK base: 100

Ireland end of 2020: 103.3
The UK end of 2020: 90.1

Ireland projected end of 2021: 106.7
The UK projected end of 2021: 96.63


The UK economy would have to grow by 18.42% in 2021 to be where Ireland is projected to be.

timetogo1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland base: 100
The UK base: 100

Ireland end of 2020: 103.3
The UK end of 2020: 90.1

Ireland projected end of 2021: 106.7
The UK projected end of 2021: 96.63


The UK economy would have to grow by 18.42% in 2021 to be where Ireland is projected to be.

The BBC will only post the 7.25% number (like they did with the 46% "jump" in exports in Feb). So those who don't understand percentages will be able to sit there smugly thinking they're doing better than they actually are.

From one of the BBC articles.
"After a 42% plunge in January in sales to the EU, February's bounce back of 46.6% is more the kind of figure the government would like associated with Global Britain's new trading era."
Might have to do the sums for some Brexiters.