National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

Pique

Government to publish broadband contract 10 months after controversial deal

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/rtebusiness/status/1294222256550350848?s=21

ACitizenErased

RedFM in Cork are reporting that build work is commencing in Cork this month

joe123

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtebusiness/status/1294222256550350848?s=21

I think this was already announced a while back. Whats happening for current FTTH packages, I know some companies are moving away from the 150Mb profile now, so if you sign up with Vodafone for example, they only offer 500Mb or the 1Gb package.

rounders

In the article above they also mentioned they are starting build in parts of Cork and Cavan this month. Knew about Cork, first time I've heard Cavan mentioned

baz9375

rounders wrote: »

In the article above they also mentioned they are starting build in parts of Cork and Cavan this month. Knew about Cork, first time I've heard Cavan mentioned

This is the first time I've seen build works in Cavan mentioned too.

My road was surveyed in March (rural Cavan) and Eircode checker is showing live date of Jan - March 2021; looks like this will be on schedule :-)

Really happy with this news

Pique

baz9375 wrote: »

This is the first time I've seen build works in Cavan mentioned too.

My road was surveyed in March (rural Cavan) and Eircode checker is showing live date of Jan - March 2021; looks like this will be on schedule :-)

Really happy with this news

Is that the checker on the NBI site? Still says 'Premises Pending Survey' for me (Roscommon) but the NBI guys were out in early June.

Extrapolating from you, that would make it a year from survey to connection which seems good.

fennor72

Pique wrote:

Is that the checker on the NBI site? Still says 'Premises Pending Survey' for me (Roscommon) but the NBI guys were out in early June.

That site is useless, we were surveyed in late April, the site is still showing pending survey.

baz9375

Pique wrote: »

Is that the checker on the NBI site? Still says 'Premises Pending Survey' for me (Roscommon) but the NBI guys were out in early June.

Extrapolating from you, that would make it a year from survey to connection which seems good.

Yes the NBI checker... my eircode gives this message:

High Speed Fibre Broadband is on its way to your area

Surveying Underway
Your premises is in the Intervention Area and surveying is underway in the locality. High speed fibre broadband is anticipated to be available in your area within the date range below.*
Date:
Jan 2021 to Mar 2021

joe123

baz9375 wrote: »

Yes the NBI checker... my eircode gives this message:

High Speed Fibre Broadband is on its way to your area

Surveying Underway
Your premises is in the Intervention Area and surveying is underway in the locality. High speed fibre broadband is anticipated to be available in your area within the date range below.*
Date:
Jan 2021 to Mar 2021

Do you know when it updated? Thats the first of the new dates afaik. Everything else was Dec 2020 - Feb2021 or the usual of premises pending survey

baz9375

joe123 wrote: »

Do you know when it updated? Thats the first of the new dates afaik. Everything else was Dec 2020 - Feb2021 or the usual of premises pending survey

Hi Joe

That message has been there for my Eircode since the end of March/start of April.

Orebro

joe123 wrote: »

Do you know when it updated? Thats the first of the new dates afaik. Everything else was Dec 2020 - Feb2021 or the usual of premises pending survey

Yep that’s very interesting - all dates I’ve seen are also Dec 2020 - Feb 2021. So there must have been a recent update.

baz9375

Orebro wrote: »

Yep that’s very interesting - all dates I’ve seen are also Dec 2020 - Feb 2021. So there must have been a recent update.

Don’t think it’s a recent update, my Eircode has had that message since March/April. Have been watching it since for update to say survey completed.

Here’s Eircode if you want to have a look on the NBI site

<edit: publishing your Eircode is not a good idea!>

fergus1001

instagram post from NBI stating that base product will be 500Mb download (not sure if its symmetrical or not)

oscarBravo

fergus1001 wrote: »

instagram post from NBI stating that base product will be 500Mb download (not sure if its symmetrical or not)

Nope. 500/50.

The Cush

fergus1001 wrote: »

instagram post from NBI stating that base product will be 500Mb download (not sure if its symmetrical or not)

From the NBI documentation

Minimum Download Speed between retail CPE and the internet demarcation point 500 Mbit/s

Minimum Upload Speed between retail CPE and the internet demarcation point 50 Mbit/s

joe123

Galway Bay FM also ran a small article stating Cork, Cavan and Galway will be first to see build starting in next few weeks.

Of the areas in those counties actually surveyed that is. Good to see progress anyways for the lucky first few.

Seems like Cavan got pushed forward. All previous articles stated it was going to be Cork and Galway first.

The Cush

Lets see what's happening with the competition - SpaceX Starlink speeds revealed as beta users get downloads of 11 to 60Mbps

KOR101

The Cush wrote: »

Lets see what's happening with the competition - SpaceX Starlink speeds revealed as beta users get downloads of 11 to 60Mbps

Must be confusing bits and bytes........surely!

Gooey Looey

The Cush wrote: »

Lets see what's happening with the competition - SpaceX Starlink speeds revealed as beta users get downloads of 11 to 60Mbps

And to think a few posters on here told us we were idiots and deemed this as the amazing answer to not spending a few billion in a rural fibre network

mp3guy

Gooey Looey wrote: »

And to think a few posters on here told us we were idiots and deemed this as the amazing answer to not spending a few billion in a rural fibre network

Some people just don't understand technology, plain and simple.

Orebro

Gooey Looey wrote: »

And to think a few posters on here told us we were idiots and deemed this as the amazing answer to not spending a few billion in a rural fibre network

Lots of Elon bots around unfortunately and not able to think for themselves. The article even says the service only envisages 5 million subscribers in the USA so it is obviously not the answer only in very rural isolated areas (of which there are none comparatively speaking in Ireland). Service is probably a great solution for outback Australia and the like.

ED E

Starlink is using an area of somewhere between 50 and 200km2 depending on who you ask. At the worst value that's like servicing louth with four cell towers for the entire county, 16 at best. Even Vodafone alone has far more than that nevermind counting the three MNOs together.


Starlink cannot break the rules of physics. Neither can Kuiper(Amazons version). Best way to think about it:
Am I in an area with no mobile phone coverage at all? If yes, then LEO sats are for me.

ED E

oscarBravo wrote: »

Nope. 500/50.

A video about Utopia nets popped up in my feed yesterday. They made the point that GPON is almost the same cost to them as direct fibers to each premises as the commodity nGig ethernet gear is cheaper than "niche" PON gear. 1G 1310 SFP+ optics are cheap as chips now and most custs are happy with that. 10G isnt a huge extra cost and can be dropped in.

Wonder will we be regretting the PON route in 12-15yrs.

oscarBravo

ED E wrote: »

A video about Utopia nets popped up in my feed yesterday. They made the point that GPON is almost the same cost to them as direct fibers to each premises as the commodity nGig ethernet gear is cheaper than "niche" PON gear. 1G 1310 SFP+ optics are cheap as chips now and most custs are happy with that. 10G isnt a huge extra cost and can be dropped in.

Wonder will we be regretting the PON route in 12-15yrs.

Hard to say. The NBP is XGSPON and as such is 10Gbit-capable from day one. I think it would be hard to make the case that a fully point-to-point network could have been built as cost-effectively as the tree topology of a passive network, especially with the geographical spread of coverage required.

theguzman

Those star-link test results beat my ADSL2+ and if Starlink is available by next March I will cut off EIR permanently until the NBP fibre arrives. I'm really glad we got the NBP signed and started because with Starlink delivering this okayish sort of service you could see every ignoramus calling for the NBP to be scrapped and squander the money on something else. I'm sure the Green's could think of something, Cow Fart Methane monitors for the Dairy Herd perhaps?

I would rate Starlink most likely superior to all Mobile and FWA services like Imagine etc. and the crap 3G/4G services from the Mobile providers.

In my ranking of broadband technologies

1. Fibre to the Home, NBP, SIRO, EIR FTTH, (Primarily Rural for NBP and EIR).
2. Virgin Cable - Coaxial Docsis to the Cabinet, Fibre onwards. (Urban only)
3. VDSL - "eFibre" Copper for the last 1000m from the Fibre fed cabinet. (urban only)
4. Starlink based on primary beta tests, ubiquitous.
5. EIR ADSL2+ Copper from Exchange out to 5KM, 24mbps and dropping by distance, stable although slow. (Rural and Urban)
6. 4G/LTE Can be fast, depends on mast congestion and peak evening traffic.(Rural and Urban)
7. 3G, far slower than 4G with the same drawbacks. (Rural and Urban)
8. WISP, charlatans on 5.8 and 2.4Ghz selling tiny bandwidth for extortionate prices, usually heavily congested. (Primarily Rural). Bigger companies like Imagine claiming to be fibre and running 5G when they are neither.
9. VSAT. Two way Satellite, lord god why bother.
10. Carrier Pigeon, usually better than options 6,7,8,9 with advances in MicroSD card technology a carrier pigeon is cabable of transferring upto 300TB, cons Ping time can run to several hours, prone to attack by foxes, kestrels and hawks.

Orebro

theguzman wrote: »

Those star-link test results beat my ADSL2+ and if Starlink is available by next March I will cut off EIR permanently until the NBP fibre arrives. I'm really glad we got the NBP signed and started because with Starlink delivering this okayish sort of service you could see every ignoramus calling for the NBP to be scrapped and squander the money on something else. I'm sure the Green's could think of something, Cow Fart Methane monitors for the Dairy Herd perhaps?

I would rate Starlink most likely superior to all Mobile and FWA services like Imagine etc. and the crap 3G/4G services from the Mobile providers.

In my ranking of broadband technologies

1. Fibre to the Home, NBP, SIRO, EIR FTTH, (Primarily Rural for NBP and EIR).
2. Virgin Cable - Coaxial Docsis to the Cabinet, Fibre onwards. (Urban only)
3. VDSL - "eFibre" Copper for the last 1000m from the Fibre fed cabinet. (urban only)
4. Starlink based on primary beta tests, ubiquitous.
5. EIR ADSL2+ Copper from Exchange out to 5KM, 24mbps and dropping by distance, stable although slow. (Rural and Urban)
6. 4G/LTE Can be fast, depends on mast congestion and peak evening traffic.(Rural and Urban)
7. 3G, far slower than 4G with the same drawbacks. (Rural and Urban)
8. WISP, charlatans on 5.8 and 2.4Ghz selling tiny bandwidth for extortionate prices, usually heavily congested. (Primarily Rural). Bigger companies like Imagine claiming to be fibre and running 5G when they are neither.
9. VSAT. Two way Satellite, lord god why bother.
10. Carrier Pigeon, usually better than options 6,7,8,9 with advances in MicroSD card technology a carrier pigeon is cabable of transferring upto 300TB, cons Ping time can run to several hours, prone to attack by foxes, kestrels and hawks.

Surprised to see WISP rating higher than carrier pigeon tbh.

daraghwal

Orebro wrote: »

Surprised to see WISP rating higher than carrier pigeon tbh.

Depends on the WISP. I've changed to a WISP recently (from another WISP, 1 Mb ADSL before that) and get an almost constant 50/5 during the day dropping to at the lowest 15/4 at peak times.

Gooey Looey

Orebro wrote: »

Surprised to see WISP rating higher than carrier pigeon tbh.

The thing is lots of rural areas would have had nothing if it wasn't for some WISPS, lots of these started off as community projects, people who got off their arses to bring broadband to the sticks. It's a pity Comreg treated licensed links as a cash cow and did everything to hinder them with the way they sold and allocated licenses, hence the need to use unlicensed frequencies and gear.

Some of the better ones have morphed into fixed line operators and will be still with us reselling NBI!

listermint

theguzman wrote: »

Those star-link test results beat my ADSL2+ and if Starlink is available by next March I will cut off EIR permanently until the NBP fibre arrives. I'm really glad we got the NBP signed and started because with Starlink delivering this okayish sort of service you could see every ignoramus calling for the NBP to be scrapped and squander the money on something else. I'm sure the Green's could think of something, Cow Fart Methane monitors for the Dairy Herd perhaps?

I would rate Starlink most likely superior to all Mobile and FWA services like Imagine etc. and the crap 3G/4G services from the Mobile providers.

In my ranking of broadband technologies

1. Fibre to the Home, NBP, SIRO, EIR FTTH, (Primarily Rural for NBP and EIR).
2. Virgin Cable - Coaxial Docsis to the Cabinet, Fibre onwards. (Urban only)
3. VDSL - "eFibre" Copper for the last 1000m from the Fibre fed cabinet. (urban only)
4. Starlink based on primary beta tests, ubiquitous.
5. EIR ADSL2+ Copper from Exchange out to 5KM, 24mbps and dropping by distance, stable although slow. (Rural and Urban)
6. 4G/LTE Can be fast, depends on mast congestion and peak evening traffic.(Rural and Urban)
7. 3G, far slower than 4G with the same drawbacks. (Rural and Urban)
8. WISP, charlatans on 5.8 and 2.4Ghz selling tiny bandwidth for extortionate prices, usually heavily congested. (Primarily Rural). Bigger companies like Imagine claiming to be fibre and running 5G when they are neither.
9. VSAT. Two way Satellite, lord god why bother.
10. Carrier Pigeon, usually better than options 6,7,8,9 with advances in MicroSD card technology a carrier pigeon is cabable of transferring upto 300TB, cons Ping time can run to several hours, prone to attack by foxes, kestrels and hawks.

Interested in how you rated starlink so highly when it's entirely uncongested right now but you've put it all the way up the list based on what exactly..