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Saracens Salarygate: Automatic Relegation?

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  • #122
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Saracens have to drop 2 million from wage bill by the end of the month or they are gone.
    Two milliion?!? That's massive. And gives the lie to all the protestations about being inside the cap and squeaky clean now. 30% or thereabouts over the cap.


  • #123
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,667 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Farrell and Itoje are their excluded players I believe, don't count towards the cap

    Thanks. I didn't know that.

    So a few England internationals and a lot of squad/first teamers on lower salaries. That will decimate their team regardless and probably get them relegated anyway.


  • #124
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    As I said earlier, they could back load their contracts. It's done in the NFL afaik. But it's a hell of a meaty chunk to ask players to forego until next season.


  • #125
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    What rules exist around how long you have to wait, should you "retire" and then "change your mind"?


  • #126
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Saracens have to drop 2 million from wage bill by the end of the month or they are gone.

    No way they manage that unless something else shady gets pulled.


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  • #127
    armchaircoach
    Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭armchaircoach


    Racing are visiting this weekend. Perhaps they can be convinced to leave with more players than they arrived with


  • #128
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    armchaircoach wrote: »
    Racing are visiting this weekend. Perhaps they can be convinced to leave with more players than they arrived with

    Chairman already asked by Midi; not interested due to high wages and national duty.

    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/french-clubs-want-action-taken-at-european-level-against-saracens/


  • #129
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    durkadurka wrote: »
    That is a lot of players. Like 10-15 squadmen or five -seven first teamers.

    Eg someone said Liam Williams was on 230k.

    230k seems like a pittance for a player of Williams' calibre.

    Unless Wray was pumping money into Cheapshot Merchant Ltd...


  • #130
    durkadurka
    Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    230k seems like a pittance for a player of Williams' calibre.

    Unless Wray was pumping money into Cheapshot Merchant Ltd...

    Well its Sterling and I guess he was getting another chunk from Wales - 100k maybe?



    so it adds up to maybe €400k all told?

    I saw another article that said he's on 300k which does appear closer to where I would see him.


  • #131
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Chairman already asked by Midi; not interested due to high wages and national duty.

    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/french-clubs-want-action-taken-at-european-level-against-saracens/
    Maybe they could all take to the field wearing bigger numbers on their shirts?


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  • #132
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    What rules exist around how long you have to wait, should you "retire" and then "change your mind"?

    Didn't something like this happen with Goosen? Can't quite remember how that played out.


  • #133
    testtech05
    Registered Users Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭testtech05


    aloooof wrote: »
    Didn't something like this happen with Goosen? Can't quite remember how that played out.

    He is starting against Connacht on Sunday anyway.


  • #134
    Jeffrey Lebowski
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Jeffrey Lebowski


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    230k seems like a pittance for a player of Williams' calibre.

    Unless Wray was pumping money into Cheapshot Merchant Ltd...

    I got talking to a couple of scarlets guys after the Pro 14 Munster - Scarlets league final in Dublin. If you think 230K was a pittance, they told me what they thought he was on at Scarlets (around 40K). There is no money in rugby in Wales.


  • #135
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Jeffrey Lebowski wrote: »
    I got talking to a couple of scarlets guys after the Pro 14 Munster - Scarlets league final in Dublin. If you think 230K was a pittance, they told me what they thought he was on at Scarlets (around 40K). There is no money in rugby in Wales.

    40k?

    That can't be true.


  • #136
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Just to troll Thomond:

    McCall to Munster?


  • #137
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    40k?

    That can't be true.
    Yeah. Not a chance in hell. Luke FitzGerald was on a salary of 56k when he joined Leinster back in 2006.


  • #138
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Just to troll Thomond:

    McCall to Munster?

    Eh you're not trolling me with that suggestion.

    The IRFU should be on the phone to get him back to some role in Ireland.


  • #139
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,342 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Jeffrey Lebowski wrote: »
    I got talking to a couple of scarlets guys after the Pro 14 Munster - Scarlets league final in Dublin. If you think 230K was a pittance, they told me what they thought he was on at Scarlets (around 40K). There is no money in rugby in Wales.

    A month, aye?


  • #140
    Jeffrey Lebowski
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Jeffrey Lebowski


    awec wrote: »
    A month, aye?

    I was shocked when they told me, but they were insistant on it. There is a reason, they all leave Wales.


  • #141
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    As I said earlier, they could back load their contracts. It's done in the NFL afaik. But it's a hell of a meaty chunk to ask players to forego until next season.

    Open to correction but I think the PRL take the average salary of a player over the relevant contract period to avoid this scenario.


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  • #142
    durkadurka
    Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    230k seems like a pittance for a player of Williams' calibre.

    Unless Wray was pumping money into Cheapshot Merchant Ltd...

    something of a source here:
    http://www.dai-sport.com/liam-williams-230000-reasons-hell-scarlet-sooner-rather-later/


  • #143
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Sangre wrote: »
    Open to correction but I think the PRL take the average salary of a player over the relevant contract period to avoid this scenario.
    They could still do it by back loading to a new contract after the current one expires. In other words, pay cut now, but a pay rise if you sign a new contract.

    Either way, there's no other way out except pay cuts. Offloading players mid-season is very rare and very hard to do.


  • #144
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Jeffrey Lebowski wrote: »
    I was shocked when they told me, but they were insistant on it. There is a reason, they all leave Wales.

    They would be leaving Wales if they were on 4 times that salary given what is available in France/England. I don't know where they got their info but I don't believe them for a second. The Welsh teams have a defined salary cap which can give you an idea of salary levels and there is no way that fits in.


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Saracens players have been told the club will accept a further 35-point deduction that will effectively spell relegation from the Premiership.

    From the Telegraph. Paywall on article, so I can't expand on it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-7898369/Saracens-hold-crisis-talks-entire-squad-tell-stars-relegated.html

    I apologise for the link above


  • #146
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Deleted User wrote: »
    From the Telegraph. Paywall on article, so I can't expand on it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-7898369/Saracens-hold-crisis-talks-entire-squad-tell-stars-relegated.html

    I apologise for the link above

    They probably would have still stayed up if it was the season with London Welsh in it :pac:


  • #147
    durkadurka
    Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    Deleted User wrote: »
    From the Telegraph. Paywall on article, so I can't expand on it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-7898369/Saracens-hold-crisis-talks-entire-squad-tell-stars-relegated.html

    I apologise for the link above

    that newspaper is an absolute rag but they've been good on this story, to be fair to them.


  • #148
    thegreycity
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭thegreycity


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    They would be leaving Wales if they were on 4 times that salary given what is available in France/England. I don't know where they got their info but I don't believe them for a second. The Welsh teams have a defined salary cap which can give you an idea of salary levels and there is no way that fits in.

    Nah man, Alun Wyn Jones only on 50k apparently. Heard he's been considering an offer to drive the London-Cardiff Mega Bus instead. Would be a decent pay increase but obviously there'd be a higher chance of injury to think about.


  • #149
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    thegreycity wrote: »
    Nah man, Alun Wyn Jones only on 50k apparently. Heard he's been considering an offer to drive the London-Cardiff Mega Bus instead. Would be a decent pay increase but obviously there'd be a higher chance of injury to think about.

    Obviously the top internationals won't exactly be on the breadline but I'd well believe some of the Regions' squad players (even younger starting players not at international level) would be on an absolute pittance in Wales, earlier in their careers


  • #150
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    durkadurka wrote: »
    something of a source here:
    http://www.dai-sport.com/liam-williams-230000-reasons-hell-scarlet-sooner-rather-later/

    probably gets a performance bonus 230k if isn't playing


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  • #151
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    durkadurka wrote: »
    that newspaper is an absolute rag but they've been good on this story, to be fair to them.

    Yeah I did apologise :D, they pretty much are saying what everyone else is reporting online and in the media.

    Good riddance to Saracens, anyone with a small portion of a brain could tell they had to be over the cap and clearly being unwilling to open their accounts it means that £2 million is on the low side. I would have sympathy for their supporters but I've seen zero contrition from any of theirs online for the last two months. They've all been pompous and in denial about it. Now it appears they seem to be accepting that their club has lied, lied and lied some more.


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