Vegan Death Cult

eviltwin

MrAbyss wrote: »

So he is a dick the guy who made the video.

So therefore all the vegans in the video are actually healthy and look amazing?

I think his point is don't believe everything you see in the internet. There are unhealthy vegans just as there are healthy meateaters.

gozunda

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Agreed but then you look at some of the comments made here and on any other vegan/meat eater threads. Its a bit mental really.

True. Mental for sure. You should see some of the ****e written about farming on those vegan/meat eater threads lol!

Anyway I dont know too many 'meat eaters' like yer man out there. The majority of the sane world are omnivores.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

s7ryf3925pivug

MrAbyss wrote: »

So he is a dick the guy who made the video.

So therefore all the vegans in the video are actually healthy and look amazing?

Non sequitur:
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

Standman

wakka12 wrote: »

So stupid. You can be fat if you eat enough , and vegan diet is no exception, whats stopping somebody eating dozens of avocados or loads of olive oil or nuts or seeds which have huge amounts of calories? Theres no reason why a vegan diet would lead to malnourishment because of this bizarre anecdotal video

Yep, vegan =/= healthy - You could eat chips and onion rings all day and still be vegan.

the beer revolu

I genuinely think that there is a direct and proportional link between a person's hatred of vegans and low intelligence. I am totally serious about this.


I'm sure it would be extremely easy to compile a video of underweight meat eaters, too. But would it prove anything? Not a thing, no more than a compilation of overweight meat eaters would.

I eat meat, btw.

Assetbacked

gozunda wrote: »

And then those of course that make even bigger noise about those commenting on odd youtube videos about some random skinny vegsns - are apparently even bigger wingers and even more insufferable ...

I not pyschic but I can see this thread going down the usual path of attempting to lynch all those nasty 'meat' eaters because fek it - they're responsible for everything and should all just stfu go away and die of being overweight or whatever

But whatever happens let us not resort to gross generalisations and flinging ****e at everyone else :pac:

Look at the first page of this thread. It is full of comments complaining about vegans. The stereotype about meat eaters being more obsessed with vegans is far more likely to be accurate consequently.

con___manx1

Vegans are doing good stuff for the environment by not eating meat or dairy.
By 2040 its predicted that it will be possible to sail a boat to the north Pole. That's how much the ice caps will have melted away.
This will obviously change ocean currents and weather patterns.
Australia at the moment is just the tip of the ice beg.
The more vegans the better in my opinion.

Paddygreen

Considering the climate emergency I think vegans are probably some of the most responsible people on the planet at the moment.

Effects

MrAbyss wrote: »

So therefore all the vegans in the video are actually healthy and look amazing?

Do you want me to find some pictures of really unhealthy looking carnivores, and then I can go on to claim how unhealthy eating meat is?

Cantona's Collars

Paddygreen wrote: »

Considering the climate emergency I think vegans are probably some of the most responsible people on the planet at the moment.

What about the carbon footprint from shipping produce from all around the world and massive deforestation and removal of biodiversity to facilitate single crop plantations. Massive green deserts.
When a vegan is eating a nice avocado do they think of the involvement of cartels in Mexico in the plantations? The market became so lucrative that they rapidly got involved.

Effects

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

massive deforestation and removal of biodiversity to facilitate single crop plantations.

Such as?

xzanti

wakka12 wrote: »

So stupid. You can be fat if you eat enough , and vegan diet is no exception, whats stopping somebody eating dozens of avocados or loads of olive oil or nuts or seeds which have huge amounts of calories? Theres no reason why a vegan diet would lead to malnourishment because of this bizarre anecdotal video

Yeah, a close friend of mine is vegan and she's a healthy weight and there's lots of things she can eat.

couldn't do it myself, but she doesn't seem to be lacking in any nutrients.

Cantona's Collars

An Ri rua wrote: »

There's a Vegetarian Society, you see their V stamp on the back of many foodstuffs, so I'm sure there must be a Vegan Society somewhere...... 😉
Don't be so blinkered in your perception.

You forgot that Go Vegan World crowd who won't reveal where they got €3 million in funding within 2 years.
If it's "for the greater good",why are they so secretive?
Big business is investing in veganism,not for humanitarian reasons but because it's a money maker.
Channel 4 is bombarding the airwaves with pro vegan shows but it's been revealed that they've invested in a vegan food company.
Other high profile figures who made similar programming have been found to be doing the same,they all have an agenda yet are held up as flag bearers for a vegan lifestyle.

Assetbacked

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

What about the carbon footprint from shipping produce from all around the world and massive deforestation and removal of biodiversity to facilitate single crop plantations. Massive green deserts.
When a vegan is eating a nice avocado do they think of the involvement of cartels in Mexico in the plantations? The market became so lucrative that they rapidly got involved.

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/soy

"Soy cultivation is a major driver of deforestation in the Amazon basin. Seeds from the soybean plant provide high protein animal feed for livestock, and 80% of Amazon soy is destined for animal feed; smaller percentages are used for oil or eaten directly."

That is dismaying.

sbsquarepants

nthclare wrote: »

I only found out recently that vegans don't eat honey because its produced by bees.

Imagine a life without honey.

In my case it would be exactly the same, bar once in a blue moon when i buy a packet of lockets!:D

gozunda

Assetbacked wrote: »

Look at the first page of this thread. It is full of comments complaining about vegans. The stereotype about meat eaters being more obsessed with vegans is far more likely to be accurate consequently.

True but it's also full of comments about fat 'meat eating' types etc etc . This type of discussion tends to pretty much go down the same route everytime. Something ike this:

Someone posts something up about meat / farming / vegan.

You get a bunch of silly comments. This is AH so kinda goes with the terriority tbh.

Then that is followed by howls of outrage that 'meat eaters' (its always 'meat eaters' for some strange reason and not omnivores btw) 'are obsessed' or wtte.

Look at any food related thread and you get posters commenting on everything and everything. And those who probably know more about those subjects whether farmers / vegans or whoever are most likley going to wade in as well. Que some interesting bits.

However making it out to be some daft schoolyard type conspiracy with the mean kids - is just well frankly odd ...

Thinkingaboutit

robertpatterson wrote: »

Dopes
In need of a good rasher sambo

And sausages too, just to be sure.

Assetbacked

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

You forgot that Go Vegan World crowd who won't reveal where they got €3 million in funding within 2 years.
If it's "for the greater good",why are they so secretive?
Big business is investing in veganism,not for humanitarian reasons but because it's a money maker.
Channel 4 is bombarding the airwaves with pro vegan shows but it's been revealed that they've invested in a vegan food company.
Other high profile figures who made similar programming have been found to be doing the same,they all have an agenda yet are held up as flag bearers for a vegan lifestyle.

I have to laugh at this. When do Bord bia ads show slaughterhouses or the factory farms in which the majority of pigs in Ireland are kept when they are promoting Irish bacon? Why do Kerrygold only show cows grazing on lush pastures but not give an insight to the life of a dairy cow and what happens with her calves? This is big business keeping a veil over its murky practices, to the point where society has been conditioned to turn a blind eye to the processing involved in creating their meat and dairy products.

Cantona's Collars

Assetbacked wrote: »

I have to laugh at this. When do Bord bia ads show slaughterhouses or the factory farms in which the majority of pigs in Ireland are kept when they are promoting Irish bacon? Why do Kerrygold only show cows grazing on lush pastures but not give an insight to the life of a dairy cow and what happens with her calves? This is big business keeping a veil over its murky practices, to the point where society has been conditioned to turn a blind eye to the processing involved in creating their meat and dairy products.

I've killed and eaten my own food,so if I catch a fish and give it a quick death or shoot a duck or pheasant to eat am I automatically an evil person?
Regards to farmers,any I know have nothing but the best animal welfare on their minds. It's in their interest to have healthy animals. That is why you see them out in the worst of weather putting their animals welfare ahead of their own.
Don't try to compare Irish farming practices with the factory farming in the likes of America.

Assetbacked

gozunda wrote: »

True but it's also full of comments about fat 'meat eating' types etc etc . This type of discussion tends to pretty much go down the same route everytime. Something ike this:

Someone posts something up about meat / farming / vegan.

You get a bunch of silly comments. This is AH so kinda goes with the terriority tbh.

Then that is followed by howls of outrage that 'meat eaters' (its always 'meat eaters' for some strange reason and not omnivores btw) 'are obsessed' or wtte.

Look at any food related thread and you get posters commenting on everything and everything. And those who probably know more about those subjects whether farmers / vegans or whoever are most likley going to wade in as well. Que some interesting bits.

However making it out to be some daft schoolyard type conspiracy with the mean kids - is just well frankly odd ...

Those that were first to their keyboards, as indicated by the first page of this thread, were not vegans getting outraged about the OP; but were those typing furiously about vegans. It was not the other way around.

My point is just that it is far more likely to hear people complain about vegans than to have vegans telling you they are vegan without you asking. Adding to this, anecdotally, if I was with friends or colleagues for lunch or dinner and ordering the option advertised as "vegan" on a menu, in the first instance I am going to be asked "are you vegan?" than I am to tell them all I'm vegan. I'm not vegan btw.

sbsquarepants

Assetbacked wrote: »

I have to laugh at this. When do Bord bia ads show slaughterhouses or the factory farms in which the majority of pigs in Ireland are kept when they are promoting Irish bacon? .

It's an argument that's lost on me too. "But there must be a vested interest behind it"
Of course there bloody is, what kind of a nutcase pays good money to advertise something they have no interest in?

Cantona's Collars

Effects wrote: »

Such as?

Google not working for you?

wexfordman2

MrAbyss wrote: »

This video is one of the most incredible things I have watched. Vegans literally dying in front of the camera as they tell us how healthy they are.

https://youtu.be/97Wry4ppywQ

You should have a look at the VHEM, the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

Also, not many are aware, but there is an animal.rights movement in this country whi go around presenting to schools, schoolchildren, including primary schools. One particular individual has a criminal conviction and served a number of years in jail due to AR terrorism charges.

Cantona's Collars

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's an argument that's lost on me too. "But there must be a vested interest behind it"
Of course there bloody is, what kind of a nutcase pays good money to advertise something they have no interest in?

But veganism is being touted as a planet saving lifestyle and not a business. Very misleading.

mathie

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

But veganism is being touted as a planet saving lifestyle and not a business. Very misleading.

Can't it be both?

Regarding the business part its far easier for companies to sell soy burgers or meat grown in a lab than to go through all the messy workload of raising animals and processing them in abattoirs. At then end of the day business will, by and large, do whats in the best interests of the stockholders. Monies.

Assetbacked

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I've killed and eaten my own food,so if I catch a fish and give it a quick death or shoot a duck or pheasant to eat am I automatically an evil person?
Regards to farmers,any I know have nothing but the best animal welfare on their minds. It's in their interest to have healthy animals. That is why you see them out in the worst of weather putting their animals welfare ahead of their own.
Don't try to compare Irish farming practices with the factory farming in the likes of America.

What is the point of giving a cow or a sheep a good life if they end up being terrified at the end of their life and brought to the slaughterhouse? There is a huge food advertising business that exists to hide the slaughterhouse aspect of the processing involved to turn a cow into, for example, a beef burger. This is far larger than any corporate money pumped into vegan campaigns. In fact, vegan campaigns are generally about shining a light on this missing link in the chain so I don't see what the conspiracy/corruption etc. is.

Also, I specifically called out pig farming in Ireland. There are over 300 pig "producers" in Ireland, the vast majority of which are factory-farms. I assume, since you call out factory farming in your post in America, you agree that Irish pig farming practices are similarly abhorrent and we should not consume Irish-reared pork?

Dyr

Paddygreen wrote: »

Considering the climate emergency I think vegans are probably some of the most responsible people on the planet at the moment.

Where do you think vegetables grow? Veganism is no greater shakes than meat in terms of land usage and probably worse in terms of killing wildlife

Assetbacked

Bambi wrote: »

Where do you think vegetables grow? Veganism is no greater shakes than meat in terms of land usage and probably worse in terms of killing wildlife

I refer to post #75 in this thread;

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/soy

"Soy cultivation is a major driver of deforestation in the Amazon basin. Seeds from the soybean plant provide high protein animal feed for livestock, and 80% of Amazon soy is destined for animal feed; smaller percentages are used for oil or eaten directly."

That is dismaying.

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Don't try to compare Irish farming practices with the factory farming in the likes of America.

Ah that's not fair now. What he said is perfectly true. Pork is factory farmed in this country and it's not spoken about. People will always point to our lovely, healthy cows out in their fields grazing but very few talk about the hundreds of thousands of pigs who've never seen the outside or had any kind of love or happiness in their lives. That's not just America, that's Ireland.

I just spoke about this (with a farmer) recently and a very well educated woman in the room, looked like I'd slapped her across the face because she got such a surprise. It has never even crossed her mind. Because it's not talked about.

The farmer was the one saying it's a disgrace btw, not me, although I was in agreement.

As for fishing or hunting for your own food. Well that's a bit like the caveman argument. We've been eating meat since we evolved to hunt. Or people who say it's like asking a lion not to hunt a gazelle. Just find me one lion with a factory full of massively overweight gazelles who can barely stand or barely move. Or one early human who had chickens, standing on each other for want of space, stressed to the point of losing all their feathers. Do you hunt for food or sport. The two are very different and do you eat exclusively what you hunt or are you eating factory farmed meat AND killing additional animals for food?

Even my parents only ate meat occasionally when they were young. But now we're all so greedy the mere mention of vegan or vegetarian has people shouting about how much meat they eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In one thread recently someone boasted that they eat more than a kilo of red meat a day!

the beer revolu

Bambi wrote: »

Where do you think vegetables grow? Veganism is no greater shakes than meat in terms of land usage and probably worse in terms of killing wildlife

And what do you think livestock eats?