Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

check_six wrote: »

What's their point here? That he's above everyone else? That he's something superior? Are they even on nodding terms with what democracy means?.

They do seem to believe they live in an alternative reality, despite of or because of the facts.

Midlife

Sand wrote: »

Who is Trumps 'base' in 2020?

Down to just poorly educated white voters I think.

sydthebeat

Sand wrote: »

Who is Trumps 'base' in 2020?

The detritus that was left after the swamp was drained

aloyisious

Trump has rejoined the attack on Obamacare overnight with the solicitor general joining a case taken by Texas and several other states to have what's left of the A.C.A DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL. In the case before the Supreme Court, Texas and other conservative-led states argue that the ACA was essentially rendered unconstitutional after Congress passed tax legislation in 2017 that eliminated the law's unpopular fines for not having health insurance but left in place its requirement that virtually all Americans have coverage.

This rejoining was done on the day another 1.6 million U.S citizens joined the already huge number of U.S citizens claiming unemployment assistance.

Igotadose

Another 1.5mn added to the unemployment rolls. State governments will soon be laying off, too, as they're running out of money due to Covid and the recession (US in recession since February, btw.)

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/1-48-million-people-filed-first-time-unemployment-last-week-n1232090?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/it-s-official-u-s-entered-recession-february-n1227631

All throughout, Kudlow's been crowing about how great things are going to get. All the more reason to hide under the bed.

salmocab

Igotadose wrote: »

Another 1.5mn added to the unemployment rolls. State governments will soon be laying off, too, as they're running out of money due to Covid and the recession (US in recession since February, btw.)

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/1-48-million-people-filed-first-time-unemployment-last-week-n1232090?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/it-s-official-u-s-entered-recession-february-n1227631

All throughout, Kudlow's been crowing about how great things are going to get. All the more reason to hide under the bed.

Don’t worry Jared said July everything would be grand. Only a week to go.

froog

the lagging death rate is going to start rising next week dramatically (2 weeks after cases started rising). trump is going to be hammered. there's no way he can attempt to spin it.

sid waddell

Igotadose wrote: »

Another 1.5mn added to the unemployment rolls. State governments will soon be laying off, too, as they're running out of money due to Covid and the recession (US in recession since February, btw.)

Igotadose wrote: »

All throughout, Kudlow's been crowing about how great things are going to get. All the more reason to hide under the bed.

That's to assume that Kudlow and the Trump regime don't see the above as a great thing.

I think that's a naive assumption.

Republicans love gutting government. And they have no problem with unemployment, it means they can gut workers' rights even more.

TomOnBoard

New York Times's Covid reporting produced a truly horrific graphic last night, particularly if you live in Republican strongholds of AZ, FL or TX. The case tracking shows infection rates going through the roof since 're-opening'. I can't see Trump voters being very happy with the "More Cases simply due to More Testing" BS that's been the Trump cry for the last few weeks, when folks down the block start disappearing into ICUs over the next few weeks.

California is also very troubling as the curve certainly seems to have been 'unflattened ' there, although the spike is not so sharp as in the case of the other three states.

It is frightening how the overall map shows Florida and Texas have become such 'ground zero's !

EltonJohn69

froog wrote: »

the lagging death rate is going to start rising next week dramatically (2 weeks after cases started rising). trump is going to be hammered. there's no way he can attempt to spin it.

China ? Obama ? Clinton ? Antifa ? Fake news ? Pretty easy to spin

Leroy42

There seems to be a message going out that whilst cases are going up, according to Trump it because of testing which of course implies that it must be the same or worse in other countries but testing is not catching it, but that death rates are going down.

This appears to based on a number of beliefs. 1st, it's more younger people getting it so death is less likely, 2nd better treatment means that more people are surviving than previously.

Is there any evidence for either of these two ideas? Are they really expecting a spike in deaths in Texas etc over the coming days?

Leroy42

There seems to be a message going out that whilst cases are going up, according to Trump it because of testing which of course implies that it must be the same or worse in other countries but testing is not catching it, but that death rates are going down.

This appears to based on a number of beliefs. 1st, it's more younger people getting it so death is less likely, 2nd better treatment means that more people are surviving than previously.

Is there any evidence for either of these two ideas? Are they really expecting a spike in deaths in Texas etc over the coming days?

Christy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

There seems to be a message going out that whilst cases are going up, according to Trump it because of testing which of course implies that it must be the same or worse in other countries but testing is not catching it, but that death rates are going down.

This appears to based on a number of beliefs. 1st, it's more younger people getting it so death is less likely, 2nd better treatment means that more people are surviving than previously.

Is there any evidence for either of these two ideas? Are they really expecting a spike in deaths in Texas etc over the coming days?

No idea about the younger people/better treatment. Hopefully on both counts.

However more cases = more deaths than there would have been with less cases. I would be surprised if there isn't an uptick in Texas and the like. Hopefully we avoid the 2k a day situation from before though.

Again Trump is basing his entire premise of more cases only cos of more testing than anyone else on the fact that they are doing more testing per capita which is wrong. They have more cases because more people are catching it and the administration is liking out if it doesn't result in 2-3k deaths a day (lucking out in terms of the great improvements made by front line staff and/or younger patients).

Then we have the fact several US states have their numbers under question. For instance Florida.

amandstu

But young people infect older people . If their infection rate remains high or increases greatly death and severe illness will increase again amongst the older population.

Obviously it remains to be be seen and we have to hope for the best while preparing for what seems likely.

Seems like Texas et al are trying to put the brakes on now so we will also have to see how that plays out.

Plus the lag of course.We are waiting for these spikes to work their way through

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

There seems to be a message going out that whilst cases are going up, according to Trump it because of testing which of course implies that it must be the same or worse in other countries but testing is not catching it, but that death rates are going down.

This appears to based on a number of beliefs. 1st, it's more younger people getting it so death is less likely, 2nd better treatment means that more people are surviving than previously.

Is there any evidence for either of these two ideas? Are they really expecting a spike in deaths in Texas etc over the coming days?

A multiplicity of causes and outcomes for this. More testing = more cases caught = more treated = more cured. The pro-rata is that death tallies will increase, though maybe at a slower rate. Texas seems to be letting its state citizens know that there may be an increase in the covid-19 death rate there as it's critical beds number in its hospitals has reached 97% usage due to the increase in infections there. Linking that with the mandatory wearing of masks there now, it's a warning to Texans to mask up as there may be no treatment beds available for them. If there are not enough critical beds available in hospital for use to treat an increase of infected people then that could have a carry-over effect on treatment failure.

The lowering of the ages of infected persons may be simply due to the return to the streets and beaches of people who were in lockdown. No one has said anything about any mutations of the virus which could increase the age-range of people being infected. In the U.K there have been children as young as 12 killed by it.

As for reductions in patient numbers dying, that may be down to masking-up as well as the medics getting expertise on excising the virus from patients.

aloyisious

In other news, the House is to debate granting Washington DC statehood today. A referendum on statehood for the District of Columbia was held on November 8, 2016. District of Columbia voters were asked to advise the Council to approve or reject a proposal, which included advising the council to petition Congress to admit the District as the 51st State and to approve a constitution and boundaries for the new state. The voters of the District of Columbia voted overwhelmingly to advise the Council to approve the proposal, with 86% of voters voting to advise approving the proposal.

Robert Trump loses court case against publication of book by Mary Trump. Justice Peter Kelly this week ruled that the lawsuit fell ‘outside the parametres’ of the court. Robert Trump had alleged that the publication of the book would violate a non-disclosure agreement signed when Frederick’s estate was settled upon his death. However, the judge said that due to the private nature of the alleged agreements, it was not something that could be settled in the Surrogate’s Court.

pixelburp

aloyisious wrote: »

In other news, the House is to debate granting Washington DC statehood today. A referendum on statehood for the District of Columbia was held on November 8, 2016. District of Columbia voters were asked to advise the Council to approve or reject a proposal, which included advising the council to petition Congress to admit the District as the 51st State and to approve a constitution and boundaries for the new state. The voters of the District of Columbia voted overwhelmingly to advise the Council to approve the proposal, with 86% of voters voting to advise approving the proposal.

There any sense on how the winds are blowing for this? I presume like everything else it has become a partisan issue - and presumably the new clutch of electoral votes could have an impact? DC's a potentially large state IIRC.

aloyisious

pixelburp wrote: »

There any sense on how the winds are blowing for this? I presume like everything else it has become a partisan issue - and presumably the new clutch of electoral votes could have an impact? DC's a potentially large state IIRC.

It seems that the Dems are not pushing the idea, according to the content of the two Washington Post articles linked below. The WaPo links may been fire-walled requiring one to agree to its TAC's.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/bowser-pushes-hard-for-statehood-even-though-it-wont-be-achieved--for-now/2019/09/19/f0869f32-db0e-11e9-ac63-3016711543fe_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/17/why-isnt-dc-statehood-more-popular-its-democrats-fault/

I couldn't [rapidly] find a GOP position on it, though that was the question I asked the WWW, getting only info on the Dems. Interestingly Puerto Rico is also looking for statehood as well.

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

There any sense on how the winds are blowing for this? I presume like everything else it has become a partisan issue - and presumably the new clutch of electoral votes could have an impact? DC's a potentially large state IIRC.

It wouldn't be a big state, it would be the 3rd-smallest by population. Also it already gets 3 electors. The main difference it would make would be the 2 seats in the Senate.

The Dems don't want to be seen to be pushing for statehood I would have thought. They stand to gain hugely if DC and Puerto Rico were admitted.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

The Dems don't want to be seen to be pushing for statehood I would have thought. They stand to gain hugely if DC and Puerto Rico were admitted.

Some DC big hitters (including Biden) are tweeting support for this today.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

Some DC big hitters (including Biden) are tweeting support for this today.

Fair enough. I think they'd be as well keeping their powder dry for a while but I'm sure they know what they're doing. :pac:

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

It wouldn't be a big state, it would be the 3rd-smallest by population. Also it already gets 3 electors. The main difference it would make would be the 2 seats in the Senate.

It doesn't get any electors - They are "non-voting" members in the House.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair enough. I think they'd be as well keeping their powder dry for a while but I'm sure they know what they're doing. :pac:

I wasn't sure as to why they would be advocating for statehood but this (from wikipedia seems pretty clear (especially the bits in bold which I highlighted)

The District is not a state and therefore has no voting representation in Congress. D.C. residents elect a non-voting delegate to the House of Representatives, currently Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C. At-Large), who may sit on committees, participate in debate, and introduce legislation, but cannot vote on the House floor. The District has no official representation in the United States Senate. Neither chamber seats the District's elected "shadow" representative or senators. Unlike residents of U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico or Guam, which also have non-voting delegates, D.C. residents are subject to all federal taxes.[216] In the financial year 2012, D.C. residents and businesses paid $20.7 billion in federal taxes; more than the taxes collected from 19 states and the highest federal taxes per capita.[217]

A 2005 poll found that 78% of Americans did not know residents of the District of Columbia have less representation in Congress than residents of the fifty states.[218] Efforts to raise awareness about the issue have included campaigns by grassroots organizations and featuring the city's unofficial motto, "Taxation Without Representation", on D.C. vehicle license plates.[219] There is evidence of nationwide approval for D.C. voting rights; various polls indicate that 61 to 82% of Americans believe D.C. should have voting representation in Congress.[218][220] However, despite public support the solution to the problem is not simple.

Harry Palmr

Just watching CNBC, discussion of stock values with respect of when a vaccine arrives. Not pharma stocks, just stocks. Earnings strategies - this is why Trump is could well be fvcked.

The Americans might not care much about who's dead but they sure worry about their pensions and annual returns.

aloyisious

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just watching CNBC, discussion of stock values with respect of when a vaccine arrives. Not pharma stocks, just stocks. Earnings strategies - this is why Trump is could well be fvcked.

The Americans might not care much about who's dead but they sure worry about their pensions and annual returns.

Saw it. The tourism business seems to be damaged badly. The mention of what airlines will be there or gone by the time a vaccine arrives should cause jitters.
The feed about stock losses on the various market indicators was bad.

aloyisious

Mike Pence is taking the lead on the first covid-19 committee media briefing in 2 months. He's presenting a very upbeat front, mentioning the different strands of U.S community hit by the virus, while offering his regrets to the families of the dead. From the fact that the address is taking place at all, it's plain some-one has woken up to the damage Trump has done to the GOP election hopes for Nov, with his style of plain-speaking. Pence is stressing the work the U.S citizenry has done to blunt the virus effects [the use of masks and personal attention to staying safe presumably].

Professor Moriarty

aloyisious wrote: »

Mike Pence is taking the lead on the first covid-19 committee media briefing in 2 months. He's presenting a very upbeat front, mentioning the different strands of U.S community hit by the virus, while offering his regrets to the families of the dead. From the fact that the address is taking place at all, it's plain some-one has woken up to the damage Trump has done to the GOP election hopes for Nov, with his style of plain-speaking. Pence is stressing the work the U.S citizenry has done to blunt the virus effects [the use of masks and personal attention to staying safe presumably].

If I were a Dem strategist, right now I'd be making an advert showing Pence walking around the Mayo Clinic and disobeying their rule about mandatory masks. As commentary, I'd be quoting his words on regret and masks.

Headshot

Have to feel sorry for Dr Fauci that he has to listen to all this ****e and bs

aloyisious

Dr Fauci really working on the responsibility on young people to have a care for others where it comes to Covid-19 & how they are unknowing/unwitting hosts and sources of virus contagion. Dr Birx doing the graph display chart work to get the point across on how the virus is roaring on in the hot-spot states due to careless under 40's. Dr Redfield following up on the face-mask and social spacing as the basic anti-virus health protection devices for the U.S.. Alex Azar got a spoke in as well, prefacing his input by praising Trump as the No 1 person in the world responsible for the ending of the Ebola outbreak in the Congo before going on to talk about Covid-19 and the U.S.