Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

kowloon

Where are his defenders for stuff like the above, they're pretty quiet the last while. It must take some serious skills or stupidity to get around the double standards.

BonnieSituation

I do love that there is ALWAYS a tweet.

Foxtrol

From the tweet below you can see why the new press secretary has been selected.

Her constant appearances on CNN during 2016 got her a job in the campaign. I can't stand her so fingers crossed she does as bad a job as Grisham and keeps a low public profile.


https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1247543595051241473?s=20

everlast75

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1247363112862396417?s=19

So if we believe the BS line that Trump was distracted by the impeachment, we now know his economic advisor presented a stark apocalyptic warning. If Trump was too distracted to act about the virus, then that speaks more to his mental fragility and lack of discipline and moreover ability to lead than anything else.

everlast75

In addition to the above tweet, another example of Trump being a loudmouth hypocrite, yelling from the sidelines.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776?s=19

Lwaker.

Why's he on TV for 2 hours every night

BonnieSituation

Lwaker. wrote: »

Why's he on TV for 2 hours every night

Because he can't have his rallies

Lwaker.

CNN fact checking everything Trump says

It's too funny

StringerBell

I see he has already effectively ousted the person there to oversee the administrations use of the money from the fund, not like anybody could have seen that coming.

Gunmonkey

StringerBell wrote: »

I see he has already effectively ousted the person there to oversee the administrations use of the money from the fund, not like anybody could have seen that coming.

Probably got caught sending it to fund medical centres and emergency responses and not to offshore corp bank accounts like instructed.

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1247363112862396417?s=19

So if we believe the BS line that Trump was distracted by the impeachment, we now know his economic advisor presented a stark apocalyptic warning. If Trump was too distracted to act about the virus, then that speaks more to his mental fragility and lack of discipline and moreover ability to lead than anything else.

This right here should be enough to see Trump removed from office for gross dereliction of duty. To be presented that by someone in his own circle, with the knowledge of what was happening in China and other countries and fail to take any steps (beyond of course stopping direct flights from China but allowing 40k+ to still enter the country) is appalling

That is why this is on his hands now. He was given the info, but felt he knew better and not only bet his own life but the lives of those he is sworn to protect.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

This right here should be enough to see Trump removed from office for gross dereliction of duty. To be presented that by someone in his own circle, with the knowledge of what was happening in China and other countries and fail to take any steps (beyond of course stopping direct flights from China but allowing 40k+ to still enter the country) is appalling

That is why this is on his hands now. He was given the info, but felt he knew better and not only bet his own life but the lives of those he is sworn to protect.

If nothing else, those memos should be aggressively pursued in the next press conference(s). Any attempt at deflection should be followed up by the next reporter.

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

If nothing else, those memos should be aggressively pursued in the next press conference(s). Any attempt at deflection should be followed up by the next reporter.

They should be, but we both know they won't.

Instead of trying to pursue him, IMO the better line would be to play to his narcissism. Something like "Navaro made some terribly wild claims that through you actions have proven to be completely unfounded. What did you know then that Navarro didn't know?"

Or "Navarros memos paints quite a disturbing possibility, which clearly your actions on stopping China flights and getting PPE and ventilators have greatly reduced. Given how great you input was, do you have any regrets that you didn't act sooner and possibly save even more lives"

moon2

Leroy42 wrote: »

They should be, but we both know they won't.

Instead of trying to pursue him, IMO the better line would be to play to his narcissism. Something like "Navaro made some terribly wild claims that through you actions have proven to be completely unfounded. What did you know then that Navarro didn't know?"

Or "Navarros memos paints quite a disturbing possibility, which clearly your actions on stopping China flights and getting PPE and ventilators have greatly reduced. Given how great you input was, do you have any regrets that you didn't act sooner and possibly save even more lives"

Is it worth lying to him, and appeasing his desire for validation, in an attempt to get him to say he has a regret? He'll simply ignore the second half of the question if past performance is anything to go by.

aloyisious

StringerBell wrote: »

I see he has already effectively ousted the person there to oversee the administrations use of the money from the fund, not like anybody could have seen that coming.

The House committee on appropriations can ask for info, as the funding was arranged in a bipartisan-ship deal between both parties in congress and senate. It may put Mitch in a bind having to figure out how to explain why Don felt it necessary to remove the one person who could be called to either/both chambers to provide details of how the funding was being used. Don is deliberately trying to pick a row to divert attention from the mess he's created and appear as a hero being hassled by congress over how he's using the funding.

StringerBell

The WH has already said they don't acknowledge the oversight power anyway so it will likely end in court battles, again, dragging everything out to the nth degree.

Leroy42

moon2 wrote: »

Is it worth lying to him, and appeasing his desire for validation, in an attempt to get him to say he has a regret? He'll simply ignore the second half of the question if past performance is anything to go by.

True, that is certainly the risk. But the other option, that of a proper question, gets nowhere either and hasn't for 3+ years.

So either they bank together to follow the 'keep banging the same drum' technique or they try something else.

IMO, the same drum will only lead to Trump saying he has answered and refusing to answer again.

banie01

StringerBell wrote: »

The WH has already said they don't acknowledge the oversight power anyway so it will likely end in court battles, again, dragging everything out to the nth degree.

The US Executive/Legislative model of Government is really an absolute disaster.
The lack of actual accountability other than term limits or ballot box is leading to ever more fractious and confrontational politics.

A mechanism as simple as the vote of confidence common in many legislatures would have removed Don long before he had a chance to oversee this latest shítshow...

The US has a reckoning to face regarding its political system.
One that may well lead to some states leading a new secessionist movement, not something that will happen quickly but some movements are already gaining traction not yet mainstream but growing.

The US needs to take some time to assess its political systems and how they serve their citizens.

Kennedy may have said "Ask not what your country can do for you but rather what you can do for your country"
That may have been sufficient for the height of the boomer generation, but the US surely needs to start reversing the question and asking what it can do for its people.

BonnieSituation

banie01 wrote: »

The US Executive/Legislative model of Government is really an absolute disaster.
The lack of actual accountability other than term limits or ballot box is leading to ever more fractious and confrontational politics.

A mechanism as simple as the vote of confidence common in many legislatures would have removed Don long before he had a chance to oversee this latest shítshow...

The US has a reckoning to face regarding its political system.
One that may well lead to some states leading a new secessionist movement, not something that will happen quickly but some movements are already gaining traction not yet mainstream but growing.

The US needs to take some time to assess its political systems and how they serve their citizens.

Kennedy may have said "Ask not what your country can do for you but rather what you can do for your country"
That may have been sufficient for the height of the boomer generation, but the US surely needs to start reversing the question and asking what it can do for its people.

The second they attempt to change any aspect of their system it will be shouted down as a power grab.

A simple job of making the terms of US House Reps more than the quite frankly ridiculous 2 years, would help the churn and endless need to try and get elected.

banie01

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The second they attempt to change any aspect of their system it will be shouted down as a power grab.

A simple job of making the terms of US House Reps more than the quite frankly ridiculous 2 years, would help the churn and endless need to try and get elected.

A bicameral legislature, that already faces bi-partisanship on a staggered 2 year electoral cycle whilst battling a demented executive branch is rapidly demonstrating it's limitations as an effective mode of government IMO.
That someone can run for, and win the highest office in the land with zero practical political experience is baffling.
Even the bloody Roman Republic tried to avoid incompetence rising to the top with the cursus honorum.

That the Presidency is something to be won by brash display, rather than a path of proven public service is astonishing.
Imagine having never held office?
And deciding that you were going to be Taoseaich...
But with more actual executive authority and zero civil or public administration experience!

That Judiciary are political appointees only adds to the bipartisanship, when every contentious decision is brought to court and political bias playing a huge part in career advancement.

salmocab

banie01 wrote: »

A bicameral legislature, that already faces bi-partisanship on a staggered 2 year electoral cycle whilst battling a demented executive branch is rapidly demonstrating it's limitations as an effective mode of government IMO.
That someone can run for, and win the highest office in the land with zero practical political experience is baffling.
Even the bloody Roman Republic tried to avoid incompetence rising to the top with the cursus honorum.

That the Presidency is something to be won by brash display, rather than a path of proven public service is astonishing.
Imagine having never held office?
And deciding that you were going to be Taoseaich...
But with more actual executive authority and zero civil or public administration experience!

That Judiciary are political appointees only adds to the bipartisanship, when every contentious decision is brought to court and political bias playing a huge part in career advancement.

And your vote is worth more or less depending on where you live.

banie01

salmocab wrote: »

And your vote is worth more or less depending on where you live.

Exactly, land of the free where every man can follow their dream!
But where every state has 2 senators, regardless of population and where the winning of a presidential election can hinge on winning electoral college votes in a swing state rather than a popular vote.

But that's apparently what the founders want, so hey ho.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/240993516443037698?s=19

So "on brand" for a trump appointee.

Again - a crew with zero redeemable features

BonnieSituation

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/240993516443037698?s=19

So "on brand" for a trump appointee.

Again - a crew with zero redeemable features

Seems the "always a tweet" fact works for the whole team.

BonnieSituation

banie01 wrote: »

Exactly, land of the free where every man can follow their dream!
But where every state has 2 senators, regardless of population and where the winning of a presidential election can hinge on winning electoral college votes in a swing state rather than a popular vote.

But that's apparently what the founders want, so hey ho.

TBF, I don't think they foresaw the massive explosion in the size of the country to the extent that it is now, coupled with the fact that they also didn't foresee that those leading the country wouldn't change the constitution as needed and not see it as a living document.

PropJoe10

StringerBell wrote: »

The WH has already said they don't acknowledge the oversight power anyway so it will likely end in court battles, again, dragging everything out to the nth degree.

One thing that the Trump administration has shown is that if you're brazen enough, you can get away with anything, purely down to the fact that it takes so long for the courts to make any decisions on litigation. Dragging stuff out through the courts for months and months has become their speciality.

Water John

The Acting Navy Chief resigns for bad judgement. He's the guy who fired the ship captain of the Roosevelt.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/acting-us-navy-chief-resigns-amid-coronavirus-uproar-992797.html

banie01

BonnieSituation wrote: »

TBF, I don't think they foresaw the massive explosion in the size of the country to the extent that it is now, coupled with the fact that they also didn't foresee that those leading the country wouldn't change the constitution as needed and not see it as a living document.

That was my inference, sorry I should have italicized the sarcasm

BonnieSituation

banie01 wrote: »

That was my inference, sorry I should have italicized the sarcasm

Fair

Christy42

So since he fired the guy in charge overseeing the corona virus relief money should we go ahead and assume corruption? Cos that needs independent oversight and someone appointed by Trump isn't independent. Especially when they know they can just be fired.

Like really. People should just be allowed to move to the States and have no one be allowed check their work visas. Then they have to be let stay as they won't be able to prove if they are there illegally!!! Same thing. No oversight on the budget is like simply not checking work visas for immigration.