J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

Gruffalux

For any adult male or female who says the trans stuff does not bother me and I can't see why people have to be mean, that is because you are not the target here. Radical trans ideology requires the participation of children because it has to be an ab initio existential condition or else it feels undermined. It has to reject the choice element that is there for many eg autogynephelia. It has to be a born in the wrong body from birth tenet. And the children are being provided by unwell parents. They are being groomed by online communities when on the cusp of traumatic adolescence. Then the last line of defense against the cult was when the affirmation model was adopted by the medical profession bullied by PC demands and supposed science based on scant studies which are being over turned wholescale now.
I actually don't care about adults doing whatever they want as long as sex based protections remain, but the cultivation of children has been horrific. Ordinary people on boards who defended Glitterhole or Desmond Napoles have been part of that cultivation. Adults in the LGBT community who have said all the trans people I know are delightful and just want to chat about makeup and stuff and be part of the gang and who have called other people names for questioning what is going on are also part of the cultuvation because they insist there is no boundary. Example here of a mother in the cult. There are literally 1000s like her. They are unwell people.

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1292025605697961984?s=19

breezy1985

Gruffalox wrote: »

For any adult male or female who says the trans stuff does not bother me and I can't see why people have to be mean, that is because you are not the target here. Radical trans ideology requires the participation of children because it has to be an ab initio existential condition or else it feels undermined. It has to reject the choice element that is there for many eg autogynephelia. It has to be a born in the wrong body from birth tenet. And the children are being provided by unwell parents. They are being groomed by online communities when on the cusp of traumatic adolescence. Then the last line of defense against the cult was when the affirmation model was adopted by the medical profession bullied by PC demands and supposed science based on scant studies which are being over turned wholescale now.
I actually don't care about adults doing whatever they want as long as sex based protections remain, but the cultivation of children has been horrific. Ordinary people on boards who defended Glitterhole or Desmond Napoles have been part of that cultivation. Adults in the LGBT community who have said all the trans people I know are delightful and just want to chat about makeup and stuff and be part of the gang and who have called other people names for questioning what is going on are also part of the cultuvation because they insist there is no boundary. Example here of a mother in the cult. There are literally 1000s like her. They are unwell people.

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1292025605697961984?s=19

Well it's on twitter so it must be true

Gruffalux

KiKi III wrote: »

I wish people got as animated about the housing crisis as they do about trans issues.

How do you know they don't?
Or are animated about other things?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KiKi III wrote: »

I wish people got as animated about the housing crisis as they do about trans issues.

People can care about more than one thing.

KiKi III

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People can care about more than one thing.

They can. But right now there are three or four active threads on here, celebrities airing their views, constant conversations on Twitter and regular ones in real life.

I don’t see as much energy around the conversation about affordable housing.

Gruffalux

KiKi III wrote: »

They can. But right now there are three or four active threads on here, celebrities airing their views, constant conversations on Twitter and regular ones in real life.

I don’t see as much energy around the conversation about affordable housing.

Start a thread about affordable housing.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KiKi III wrote: »

They can. But right now there are three or four active threads on here, celebrities airing their views, constant conversations on Twitter and regular ones in real life.

I don’t see as much energy around the conversation about affordable housing.

There are two moderately active threads on the topic. One is more general, the other relates to the specific issue of biological males playing in women’s sports. I don’t think that’s at all excessive. And this is important, IMO. Just because you don’t deem it to be doesn’t mean others agree. It’s being discussed for a reason.

Eric Cartman

I feel so bad for any girl whos a bit of a tom-boy with a woke mother...

suicide_circus

KiKi III wrote: »

I wish people got as animated about the housing crisis as they do about trans issues.

When i'm told I have to say that 2+2=5, i get animated

Errashareesh

KiKi III wrote: »

I wish people got as animated about the housing crisis as they do about trans issues.

Bizarre diversion. Is it even in the spirit of the place to bring up another matter like that on a thread devoted to a specific one?

Also the housing crisis is and has been massively topical for years.

KiKi III

Errashareesh wrote: »

Bizarre diversion. Is it even in the spirit of the place to bring up another matter like that on a thread devoted to a specific one?

Also the housing crisis is and has been massively topical for years.

The point, which I’ve made more than once, is that trans issues are talked about disproportionately to their actual impact in society. It’s weird.

I understand and appreciate many of the arguments made here, I’m just unsure it’s a topic worthy of this much debate.

TomTomTim

KiKi III wrote: »

The point, which I’ve made more than once, is that trans issues are talked about disproportionately to their actual impact in society. It’s weird.

Many/most children in our country, and the rest of the west, will be thought about this stuff, in what I'm sure is an unscientific manner; they will grow up believing in this nonsense and later go on to affect society with said beliefs. While you may think it's trivial in the now, it won't be in the future, it will be a massive issue. Bad ideas can effect societies for decades, so it's a case of trying to tame the beast before the beast eats us.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

KiKi III wrote: »

The point, which I’ve made more than once, is that trans issues are talked about disproportionately to their actual impact in society. It’s weird.

I understand and appreciate many of the arguments made here, I’m just unsure it’s a topic worthy of this much debate.

Two threads here that aren’t even that active is hardly disproportionate.

If the debate gains traction, it’s worthy.

breezy1985

KiKi III wrote: »

The point, which I’ve made more than once, is that trans issues are talked about disproportionately to their actual impact in society. It’s weird.

I understand and appreciate many of the arguments made here, I’m just unsure it’s a topic worthy of this much debate.

I get your point. There's so much hyperbole about something that will probably never be part of our lives. It's just the "I don't mind gay people but....." for a new generation. In a few years we'll have forgotten what all the fuss was about an no one's children will be force sex changed or whatever

Errashareesh

No I won't shut up if women are receiving disgusting abuse - and being fired - for saying that biological sex is real.

Gruffalux

breezy1985 wrote: »

I get your point. There's so much hyperbole about something that will probably never be part of our lives. It's just the "I don't mind gay people but....." for a new generation. In a few years we'll have forgotten what all the fuss was about an no one's children will be force sex changed or whatever

Ahh. We are the Neo-Homophobes. It would sting but it has been over-used, so it is just an empty slur now.

Between 2015 and April 2020 183 Irish children have been referred to the NHS GIDS clinic in Tavistock UK. By far the most of them are girls which is a complete reversal of earlier childhood gender dysphoria which was by and large experienced by boys. More than half of all children referred in UK and Ireland are under 14 years old.

In recent months new studies are emerging that refute the affirmation model's efficacy. The NHS has recently changed their blurb about pubertal blockers and cross sex hormones being reversible and/or without health consequences. The BBC have changed their advisory onsite links to exclude Mermaids which has been at the forefront of pushing the affirmation model. A 2019 study which had been well-publicised to show that surgery improved mental outcomes for gender dysphoric people has been amended recently to state (on balance) the opposite, though the amendments have not been publicly circulated as widely as the original research conclusion.

https://twitter.com/SEGMtweets/status/1290726076705120261?s=20

PreparationH

Gruffalox wrote: »

In recent months new studies are emerging that refute the affirmation model's efficacy. The NHS has recently changed their blurb about pubertal blockers and cross sex hormones being reversible and/or without health consequences. The BBC have changed their advisory onsite links to exclude Mermaids which has been at the forefront of pushing the affirmation model. A 2019 study which had been well-publicised to show that surgery improved mental outcomes for gender dysphoric people has been amended recently to state (on balance) the opposite, though the amendments have not been publicly circulated as widely as the original research conclusion.

Is this really a surprise to anyone? Scratch the surface of any of these "Trans-affirming" arguments and they quickly fall apart. It was no wonder trans-activists avoided debate. Once that BBC Tavistock piece was aired the writing was on the walls. It only took a few weeks for the Mermaids links to be removed. The Law suits are coming, they are coming and the people who conducted medical experiments on children will reap what they sowed.

andekwarhola

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People can care about more than one thing.

Sometimes I think it's a subtle form of gaslighting.

Suddenly standing back from the discussion and mplying that somebody with whom you disagree is just mentally fixated on trivialities at the expense of 'real' issues.

Sir Oxman

Behind a paywall so only get the gist through headline and a few lines
https://www.businesspost.ie/health/puberty-blockers-will-no-longer-be-considered-fully-reversible-c59a37b5

'Definitely fully reversible' becomes 'eh, um, ah, nope sorry about that'
Not too sure the medical community should be taking any advice from political activist groups deeply involved in the initial lie.

PreparationH

breezy1985 wrote: »

I get your point. There's so much hyperbole about something that will probably never be part of our lives. It's just the "I don't mind gay people but....." for a new generation.

I'm sorry but that's just not true and is indicative of someone who hasn't put a moments thought into this issue. You simply couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Gay people rightfully asked for equality of rights and opportunity. T activists are telling us that we must actively participate in the lies they have chosen to live their lives by and are insisting that anyone who refuses in any way to tow their line deserves to have their lives destroyed. This is NOT the same thing. Honestly, how can all of these Woke individuals be so asleep at the wheel?

The T activists have swung in under the guise of the fight for gay equal rights and they have used it with great affect to launder their ideological agenda, so that it's clean when it comes out of the wash.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time though.... them sheets are filthy.

Errashareesh

PreparationH wrote: »

how can all of these Woke individuals be so asleep at the wheel?

Being seen to support whatever looks reeeeally liberal is more important than thinking.

andekwarhola wrote: »

Sometimes I think it's a subtle form of gaslighting.

Suddenly standing back from the discussion and mplying that somebody with whom you disagree is just mentally fixated on trivialities at the expense of 'real' issues.

It's the absolute definition of gaslighting - with no subtlety at all!

andekwarhola

Errashareesh wrote: »

Being seen to support whatever looks reeeeally liberal is more important than thinking.

It's the absolute definition of gaslighting - with no subtlety at all!

It happens all over Boards. It's often a companion style to the terse, jocular posts designed solely to undermine posters (in lieu of offering an opinion) with whom they disagree.

And you can often notice the exact same thanking patterns for both types.

the purple tin

JK Rowling is a billionaire. She has her money made and then some. I'd say she doesn't give a damn what these eejits say about her.

Gruffalux

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/statement-from-j-k-rowling-regarding-the-robert-f-kennedy-human-rights-ripple-of-hope-award/

Statement from J.K. Rowling regarding the Robert F Kennedy Human Rights Ripple of Hope Award

27th August 2020

Since I first joined the public debate on gender identity and women’s rights, I’ve been overwhelmed by the thousands of private emails of support I’ve received from people affected by these issues, both within and without the trans community, many of whom feel vulnerable and afraid because of the toxicity surrounding this discussion.

Clinicians, academics, therapists, teachers, social workers, and staff at prisons and women’s refuges have also contacted me. These professionals, some at the very top of their organisations, have expressed serious concerns about the impact of gender identity theory on vulnerable adolescents and on women’s rights, and of the dismantling of safeguarding norms which protect the most vulnerable women. None of them hate trans people. On the contrary, many work with and are personally deeply sympathetic towards trans individuals.

Kerry Kennedy, President of Robert F Kennedy Human Rights, recently felt it necessary to publish a statement denouncing my views on RFKHR’s website. The statement incorrectly implied that I was transphobic, and that I am responsible for harm to trans people. As a longstanding donor to LGBT charities and a supporter of trans people’s right to live free of persecution, I absolutely refute the accusation that I hate trans people or wish them ill, or that standing up for the rights of women is wrong, discriminatory, or incites harm or violence to the trans community.

Like the vast majority of the people who’ve written to me, I feel nothing but sympathy towards those with gender dysphoria, and agree with the clinicians and therapists who’ve got in touch who want to see a proper exploration of the factors that lead to it. They – along with a growing number of other experts and whistleblowers – are critical of the ‘affirmative’ model being widely adopted, and are also concerned about the huge rise in the numbers of girls wanting to transition.

To quote the newly-formed Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM), a group of 100 international clinicians:

The history of medicine has many examples in which the well-meaning pursuit of short-term relief of symptoms has led to devastating long-term results… The “gender affirmative” model commits young people to lifelong medical treatment…, dismisses the question of whether psychological therapy might help to relieve or resolve gender dysphoria and provides interventions without an adequate examination.

I’ve been particularly struck by the stories of brave detransitioned young women who’ve risked the opprobrium of activists by speaking up about a movement they say has harmed them. After hearing personally from some of these women, and from such a wide range of professionals, I’ve been forced to the unhappy conclusion that an ethical and medical scandal is brewing. I believe the time is coming when those organisations and individuals who have uncritically embraced fashionable dogma, and demonised those urging caution, will have to answer for the harm they’ve enabled.

RFKHR has stated that there is no conflict between the current radical trans rights movement and the rights of women. The thousands of women who’ve got in touch with me disagree, and, like me, believe this clash of rights can only be resolved if more nuance is permitted in the debate.

In solidarity with those who have contacted me but who are struggling to make their voices heard, and because of the very serious conflict of views between myself and RFKHR, I feel I have no option but to return the Ripple of Hope Award bestowed upon me last year. I am deeply saddened that RFKHR has felt compelled to adopt this stance, but no award or honour, no matter my admiration for the person for whom it was named, means so much to me that I would forfeit the right to follow the dictates of my own conscience.

J.K. Rowling

PreparationH

Brilliant stuff. For those who haven't been watching him, Graham Linehan has been doing some great interviews exposing the monstrosities of the T movement and I highly recommend the Youtube videos before the woke fact deniers who run youtube take them down (like they did with Kelly-Jay's harrowing interview of a mother who lost her daughter to the T cult).

suicide_circus

History will judge the “gender affirmative” model harshly. It's the equivalent of agreeing that an anorexic person is indeed obese.it just feels like a cruel mockery.

Errashareesh

Good for her. Disgusting to say she is transphobic and harming trans people. Bereft of any critical thought, and purely about optics.

Annasopra

Mermaids response

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/a-call-to-j-k-rowling/

Today, J.K.Rowling re-stated her position on transgender lives. We have previously reached out to her both publicly and privately, offering a calm conversation around the issues she has raised and today, we sent a further email to her team, renewing that offer. We are yet to receive a response.

As part of that email, we have disclosed something we hoped never to say. We say it now with permission from those involved. Without giving personal detail, without betraying confidences, we must represent the seriousness of the situation. We are aware through our work with families that there have been cases of self-harm and even attempted suicide following J.K.Rowling’s statements and the public response on social media and in the press. Surely this must cause us all to pause and question the way young trans lives are being debated in public.

For those working with transgender children, young people and families, this is not a gladiatorial sport to be won or lost with a tweet here, a forum post there, a weekly radio debate followed by an opinion article and a well-timed blog post preceding a parliamentary decision. this isn’t about a ‘woke’ majority enforcing politically correct beliefs on others. Trans people are far from being accepted by society and suffer real life discrimination, including physical violence, employment discrimination and everyday harassment on the street. Trans young people should not be used to amplify separate issues such as male violence, bodily autonomy or patriarchy. Our service users and supporters are real people with real lives, struggling to live freely in a world which, they say, feels increasingly cruel, hostile and unwilling to listen.

In her blog post today, J.K.Rowling states: ‘I absolutely refute the accusation that I hate trans people or wish them ill… Like the vast majority of the people who’ve written to me, I feel nothing but sympathy towards those with gender dysphoria…’

We do not believe J.K. Rowling ‘hates’ trans people. We also welcome and accept that she is sympathetic towards trans children and teenagers. Therefore, as a woman of great power and someone sympathetic to trans young people, we ask her to acknowledge the many young people around the world who fundamentally disagree with her position on trans acceptance and we beg her to at least consider the possibility that trans young people are able to express who they are for themselves.

J.K. Rowling rightly speaks of brave ‘detransitioned’ young women. Yet, does she consider trans people, living openly in spite of public hostility, less brave? Are those who have fought for decades to be treated with respect and dignity in a society that ridicules and demonises them, less brave? Are those children and young people who state their true gender in the face of rejection from family and friends less brave? At Mermaids, we support people no matter the path they take and that of course includes those who transition, detransition or retransition.

J.K. Rowling’s blog goes on to say: ‘I believe the time is coming when those organisations and individuals who have uncritically embraced fashionable dogma, and demonised those urging caution, will have to answer for the harm they’ve enabled.’

Mermaids is not named and we must assume the author is referring to other groups unknown to us. Still, let us be clear. We are a charity, operating under the same scrutiny as any other in the UK. Following years of transparency, we are open to any approach from the team at the Charity Commission, for whom we have great respect. Indeed, any further form of official inquiry would be welcomed in our efforts to strengthen the support we offer. The image of trans organisations cowering away from public inquiry is a figment of the anti-trans movement’s imagination. We work tirelessly every day, simply to support children and families in the face of constant adversity.

If standing beside trans young people and their families is radical, then please J.K. Rowling, be radical.

J.K. Rowling may see that as part of a ‘radical trans rights movement’, we see it as our duty. If we are considered radical by some, then we will accept the badge and wear it with pride. We do not consider it radical to listen to young people and support them without prejudice. We do not consider it radical to believe that trans adults were once trans children. We do not consider it radical to believe that children and young people know who they are, for themselves, without arbitration from strangers. If standing beside trans young people and their families is radical, then please J.K. Rowling, be radical.

No movement is perfect, no movement can succeed without evolution, but history is kind to those who stand up for their rights. We can all look back in admiration at those brave, radical people deserving of statues, who stood against racism, homophobia, misogyny and all forms of prejudice, all the while threatened by the famous, rich and powerful of their day.

We hope people will soon see the damage being done to vulnerable people by the nature of this polarised, misinformed ‘debate’. We repeat our call for people of all perspectives to refrain from threatening and aggressive behaviour and we utterly condemn anyone sending threatening or abusive content to J.K. Rowling. We ask J.K.Rowling to make a similar appeal to those using her name in their profiles whilst threatening and abusing trans people and their friends, supporters and families.

Again, as we have asked before: please, do not speak about trans children and young people, until you have listened to them first.

The Mermaids team, families and allies.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

PreparationH wrote: »

Brilliant stuff. For those who haven't been watching him, Graham Linehan has been doing some great interviews exposing the monstrosities of the T movement and I highly recommend the Youtube videos before the woke fact deniers who run youtube take them down (like they did with Kelly-Jay's harrowing interview of a mother who lost her daughter to the T cult).

That’s been removed? Christ on a cracker.

Meanwhile, my admiration for Rowling soars higher.

deaddonkey15

The self harm/suicide card that is always played by trans activists and rights groups really is low and utterly pathetic.