Should I or should I not go for L62

peposhi

It’s been a long, good journey for our 2 BEV family and I think it’s time to upgrade. A bit.
I was given a good trade-in price for our L30 and an offer to go for L62. Finance is just been looked at, probably by Thursday I will know if it’s a yes or no.
If it’s a no - I’m no going to lose sleep over it as we still have our super reliable old (if there’s such thing yet) Leafs...
If it’s a yes - then decision is in the air...

I’d love to hear your opinions (especially if you own an L62)
So, please, convince me (or not) 😂

(Rapidgate does not bother or concern me whatsoever, so, please, keep the subject away from discussing)

unkel

You know the Leaf and its shortcomings, it suits you and you're happy with it. So by all means, upgrade if you get a good deal!

L62 is EUR34k (base), which is decent value. What Leaf are you trading in and how much is the cost to change?

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

You know the Leaf and its shortcomings, it suits you and you're happy with it. So by all means, upgrade if you get a good deal!

L62 is EUR34k (base), which is decent value. What Leaf are you trading in and how much is the cost to change?

Trading L30 SVE for €14750 (bear in mind it has a few small scratches and dents on) for an L62 SVE. They are looking for nearly 27k to change. Some people probably think I’m mad... including my dad.

Nedved85

I have a Leaf 30 kWh - going great. Personally i would wait, save a bit more and get a Model 3 (If it suited your lifestyle..)

M3 SR3 = €47,840
Sell Leaf - say €13,500

Cost to upgrade = just over €34k

7k for a much better car 9(imo)

** I wouldn't take out a €34k loan though - save up a bit more **

ELM327

Crazy to even countenance an L62.
So many better, CCS equipped options out there that don't have rapidgate or enhanced degradation.

unkel

Your dad is right, 27k to go up 3 years to a newer version of the same econobox car and have 100km more motorway range looks like poor value to me

Cyrus

peposhi wrote: »

Trading L30 SVE for €14750 (bear in mind it has a few small scratches and dents on) for an L62 SVE. They are looking for nearly 27k to change. Some people probably think I’m mad... including my dad.

a few small dents and scratches are a few hundred quid to fix, dont use them as a reason for spending 10s of thousands

Soarer

I know these types of thoughts. Have had oodles of them myself previously.

You know you've already got your mind made up.
You know if the finance comes in, you're gonna swap.
And you're just here in the hopes that people will concur with your thinking.

Best of luck with your new L62!

pjdarcy

ELM327 wrote: »

Crazy to even countenance an L62.
So many better, CCS equipped options out there that don't have rapidgate or enhanced degradation.

I'll be in a similar buying situation to the OP soon enough and I was also thinking of going for the Leaf (although in my case it will be my first electric car). Out of interest, what EVs would you recommend for someone on a 40k budget? Thanks

ELM327

pjdarcy wrote: »

I'll be in a similar buying situation to the OP soon enough and I was also thinking of going for the Leaf (although in my case it will be my first electric car). Out of interest, what EVs would you recommend for someone on a 40k budget? Thanks

Kona, E Soul, E Niro, or save 7k and get a model 3 sr+

slave1

I was in similar position earlier in the year, when you ignore features like car looks/assisted driving etc and look purely at range then all of a sudden you're looking at €27k for let's say a doubling in range.
For €27k you could buy two L30's (not that you'd want to but you get my drift).
From a range perspective it's mad money so that's why I decided to stick with my L30 as it fulfils my commute with plenty to spare even in this weather and still enough for a few dips in and around town in the evenings...

If however your decision criteria is outside range then there's only one option and that's skip the L62 and make the money work for a Model 3, once you sit into it and drive it away the endorphins will kick in

peposhi

Soarer wrote: »

I know these types of thoughts. Have had oodles of them myself previously.

You know you've already got your mind made up.
You know if the finance comes in, you're gonna swap.
And you're just here in the hopes that people will concur with your thinking.

Best of luck with your new L62!

LOL

Spot on hahaha

It might well be soon...

peposhi

Cyrus wrote: »

a few small dents and scratches are a few hundred quid to fix, dont use them as a reason for spending 10s of thousands

It’s not the dents and scratches that made me think of changing the car. It also has nothing to do the 2020 reg hype.
It’s the range that gets me caught up twice in a bother already. Last night I rolled in the drive way in a turtle 🢠mode... it was pretty stressful a few hundred metres going back home with a limited power.

The second EV we have is with a smaller battery - so it would be harder and harder to do longer journeys with either car.

I’d say it has lots to do with me getting too comfortable after so many years of driving EV and wanting to cut the time spend on chargers (the charging for charging is something I fully support so it’s not the few bobs I’d spend on using one)

And yes - the look of the L40/L62 is way much nicer than the old Leaf...

unkel

If you really must have the L62 (any reason you're not aiming a few grand higher for the Tesla Model 3, apart from it not being a hatchback?), maybe try trade in your older L24 + 25k cash?

JPA

You say you don't care about rapid gate but basic cooling is surely a prerequisite for a 2020 electric car.
If you love the leaf go for it, the range will be a great anxiety reliever. But it's basically the same car with revamped looks and a bigger battery.

I'd just look at all options.

peposhi

Nedved85 wrote: »

I have a Leaf 30 kWh - going great. Personally i would wait, save a bit more and get a Model 3 (If it suited your lifestyle..)

M3 SR3 = €47,840
Sell Leaf - say €13,500

Cost to upgrade = just over €34k

7k for a much better car 9(imo)

** I wouldn't take out a €34k loan though - save up a bit more **

I’d love to go for an M3.
But:
€34k - can’t get that high loan unless I clear one of the mortgages or home Reno loan.
While I think Tesla is doing an amazing job, I am still not a Tesla man (that may change if I sit in an MY lol)
Only 1 service centre in the country to call - a bit iffy about that.


The thing is my cars value will drop more next year so I’d need to provide more finance cover the difference... no matter what EVs with a decent range are out there.

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

If you really must have the L62 (any reason you're not aiming a few grand higher for the Tesla Model 3, apart from it not being a hatchback?), maybe try trade in your older L24 + 25k cash?

27k would be my max currently to finance (will know for sure this week though)

I certainly want the SVE spec and the L24SVE (which was valued at only €11k) and available finance would not get me to L62SVE.

peposhi

JPA wrote: »

You say you don't care about rapid gate but basic cooling is surely a prerequisite for a 2020 electric car.
If you love the leaf go for it, the range will be a great anxiety reliever. But it's basically the same car with revamped looks and a bigger battery.

I'd just look at all options.

I’m not going to rush it.
I am open to other options too...

listermint

Maybe I'm missing something here. But 34k for the l62 finance of 27k and you've a 14k car worth currently.

Am I wrong in thinking your trade in value is abysmal?

peposhi

listermint wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something here. But 34k for the l62 finance of 27k and you've a 14k car worth currently.

Am I wrong in thinking your trade in value is abysmal?

My L30 + 27
Or
My L24 + 31 (not going to happen)
Would get me
L62SVE
That’s the best deal I’ve gotten so far.
My L30 has 80k km on it and is in a good nick.
No way I’d get 16-17k for it even if I polish it with a gold sand. I think 14750 is fair enough trade-in price. I would be getting the Suppaguard FOC and will ask also for all rubber toys for the car - mudflaps, boot tray, floor mats, possibly windbreakers...

unkel

peposhi wrote: »

IThe thing is my cars value will drop more next year

Nowhere near as much as a new L62 SVE will drop in a year. Close to EUR10k

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

Nowhere near as much as a new L62 SVE will drop in a year. Close to EUR10k

You reckon it’ll drop that much?
L40 hasn’t lost much retail price unless second hand...

KCross

listermint wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something here. But 34k for the l62 finance of 27k and you've a 14k car worth currently.

The €34k is for the entry level L62, not the SVE, and that price is after scrappage which peposhi isnt doing either.

Its the L62 SVE price you need to look at.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Nowhere near as much as a new L62 SVE will drop in a year. Close to EUR10k

peposhi wrote: »

You reckon it’ll drop that much?
L40 hasn’t lost much retail price unless second hand...

Yes I agree with Unkel.


Nissan can charge what they like now as they are the first to market without having to limit supply
Next year this will not be the same thing and there will be much better cars available. Who would pay 35k for a l62 when you can buy a kona/niro/soul for the same money, or an ID3/Model 3 for a few k extra

peposhi

I’d be very happy to hear of actual L62 owners sharing their real life range here.
I’d expect with my driving style to do 300km approx in any conditions (without zipping it on the motorway)

Efitz2019

peposhi wrote: »

I’d be very happy to hear of actual L62 owners sharing their real life range here.
I’d expect with my driving style to do 300km approx in any conditions (without zipping it on the motorway)

Review from done deal on the L62 they are quoting real world range of 300km

https://youtu.be/1G7sx18Sp6I

peposhi

Efitz2019 wrote: »

Review from done deal on the L62 they are quoting real world range of 300km

https://youtu.be/1G7sx18Sp6I

Thank you

unkel

I think Nyland got 255km at 120km/h in good weather

Gile_na_gile

peposhi wrote: »

I’d be very happy to hear of actual L62 owners sharing their real life range here.
I’d expect with my driving style to do 300km approx in any conditions (without zipping it on the motorway)

There aren't any, unfortunately. There are two that post regularly on speakev but they are not tech-minded.

Personally, I would go for it but with more haggling and another 2k off. However, the 64kwh eniro is better but waits of several months. Model 3 is the dream, but I am in the wrong industry...

Water John

OH has gone from L30 to Kona and loves it. Iv'e taken the L30 so Kona does long range runs.
Had a swap back a week ago and she thought the L30 was sluggish. Suggest a test drive and make your own choice.

peposhi

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

There aren't any, unfortunately. There are two that post regularly on speakev but they are not tech-minded.

Personally, I would go for it but with more haggling and another 2k off. However, the 64kwh eniro is better but waits of several months. Model 3 is the dream, but I am in the wrong industry...

I’d certainly love to manage to get a lower the price, but don’t see it happening... rang two other dealers I’ve dealt with in the past. Will see what they’ll say

Mike9832

peposhi wrote: »

I’d certainly love to manage to get a lower the price, but don’t see it happening... rang two other dealers I’ve dealt with in the past. Will see what they’ll say

Have u tried new Zoe, e208 , eCorsa?

Very little difference in range between those 3 and Leaf62, but €10,000+ in price

They are not as big as Leaf, but 208 is as big inside as Kona in my expensive

Paying list price of €42,000 for Leaf62 is insanity

BMW now doing a 184bhp, 33kWh, liquid cooled mini cooper for €27,000 and Bank of VW will have €499 per month pcp deals on ID3 next year

Unkel is right Leaf62 will depreciate like mad, competition is coming and Tesla will have to behave a traditional car company in Europe when bank of VW hits

They wont be able to sell Dacia spec 50kWh SR+ for €49,000 for long

Mike9832

In your situation with family etc I would sell the 24kWh Leaf, keep the 30kWh Leaf and get a 19 Ioniq in the UK

You might be able to do that for 10k or so and 24kWh Leaf to Ioniq is a massive change

Big warranty on the Ioniq, not going to depreciate massively and it charges fast

KCross

peposhi wrote: »

I’d certainly love to manage to get a lower the price, but don’t see it happening... rang two other dealers I’ve dealt with in the past. Will see what they’ll say

It seems to me that they are offering you list price for the car, i.e. no discount, hence not a good deal.

They will really want to sell you that car. You need to bargain harder.

If you were trading in a banger for scrappage they'd be giving you €3500 off the price, no questions asked. I'd be calling them and throwing in a few "I dont know, its too expensive..." comments and start talking about e208 prices etc etc... just complain about the price... they'll move.

Cars like the e208 have a WLTP range of 340km so not that far off what the L62 has at 385km and importantly they will charge faster than the L62 so on a long journey the e208, Corsa etc will probably get you there faster. And there's the price.... for the spec you are after the e208 is nearly €10k cheaper.

Any reason you'd rule out the likes of an e208.... too small, doesnt fit family needs etc?

I just think the L62 is way over priced and will find itself under price pressure within 12 months (e208, Corsa-e, ID.3, elBorn etc etc) and by the time you go to trade it it will have suffered considerably price wise. Nissan are having a laugh with the price. Dont do it, I say!

Gile_na_gile

KCross wrote: »

It seems to me that they are offering you list price for the car, i.e. no discount, hence not a good deal.
They will really want to sell you that car. You need to bargain harder.

I agree with KCross. I would go for the SV Premium model at €37,840. Generally, you get a better price selling the old car yourself, but if they offer you 16k for L30 then that might be an acceptable reduction.

To finance the rest sounds really expensive unless the APR is really low. The APR is very flexible for the smaller Nissan dealers.

In short, the SV premium for 35k, 36k max, compensated by discount on the purchase or higher than market price on the L30. If you sell the L30 yourself, then they will apply a discount to the cost price instead.

It is unfortunate, however, that there is no-one here who can tell what it is like to own. However, it should be exactly like an 2019 L40 with slightly decreased handling due to that extra weight when going into corners.

It is a generally polished car, that gets slated because of the price, new competition, and the absence of thermal management in hotter climes. Probably a quieter ride than the eNiro, too.

...Ghost...

Will the extra range be truly beneficial, or just good to have. Know why you want it and go from there.

unkel

...Ghost... wrote: »

Will the extra range be truly beneficial, or just good to have. Know why you want it and go from there.

+1

Might get a much better deal on new or second hand Leaf 40. 170km motorway in summer vs 255km in Leaf 62.

Joseph SEE

peposhi wrote: »

It’s been a long, good journey for our 2 BEV family and I think it’s time to upgrade. A bit.
I was given a good trade-in price for our L30 and an offer to go for L62. Finance is just been looked at, probably by Thursday I will know if it’s a yes or no.
If it’s a no - I’m no going to lose sleep over it as we still have our super reliable old (if there’s such thing yet) Leafs...
If it’s a yes - then decision is in the air...

I’d love to hear your opinions (especially if you own an L62)
So, please, convince me (or not) 😂

(Rapidgate does not bother or concern me whatsoever, so, please, keep the subject away from discussing)

Apparently, there's a new version about to be introduced in Japan with improved Propilot. That could be a consideration to wait.a bit.

Another is that range degradation on the Leaf is typically worse than other EVs. Actively cooled batteries perform better with liquid cooled performing best. Soul EV with the much larger 64kWh usable (67kWh total) is worth a serious consideration.

unkel

Any of the 64kWh triplets would be a better buy, with the eSoul the best value for money. Much better range than L62, faster charging, CCS

peposhi

Somehow my thread was posted twice and I have two threads with the same name.
Could a mod join them, please?

peposhi

...Ghost... wrote: »

Will the extra range be truly beneficial, or just good to have. Know why you want it and go from there.

I bit of both, more of the first.
Also I’ve gone too comfortable with the EV being charged at home and now I prefer not to waste time on slow or fast chargers elsewhere

peposhi

Joseph SEE wrote: »

Apparently, there's a new version about to be introduced in Japan with improved Propilot. That could be a consideration to wait.a bit.

Another is that range degradation on the Leaf is typically worse than other EVs. Actively cooled batteries perform better with liquid cooled performing best. Soul EV with the much larger 64kWh usable (67kWh total) is worth a serious consideration.

It would not be that bad compared to the rest. Worst case scenario even if you lose 20% on a 62kwh battery over 5-8 years - still a good bit left in it (at least time and a half more than my current one)

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

Any of the 64kWh triplets would be a better buy, with the eSoul the best value for money. Much better range than L62, faster charging, CCS

Hyundai would offer only 11k form my car + I am not a fan of Kona, Ioniq is likeable, not a wantable car for me.

Kia - Z-eRO-Nero availability even though it is a nice car. E-soul - probably the best of all crop. Will see what trade in I will be given...

peposhi

Mike9832 wrote: »

Have u tried new Zoe, e208 , eCorsa?

Very little difference in range between those 3 and Leaf62, but €10,000+ in price

They are not as big as Leaf, but 208 is as big inside as Kona in my expensive

Paying list price of €42,000 for Leaf62 is insanity

BMW now doing a 184bhp, 33kWh, liquid cooled mini cooper for €27,000 and Bank of VW will have €499 per month pcp deals on ID3 next year

Unkel is right Leaf62 will depreciate like mad, competition is coming and Tesla will have to behave a traditional car company in Europe when bank of VW hits

They wont be able to sell Dacia spec 50kWh SR+ for €49,000 for long

Would never go for Zoe, the 208 is cool but not me,ID3, Mini Cooper -same

The only cars that are really on my list are L62, Soul and M3 with the latest - our of reach... so it’s down to two

peposhi

KCross wrote: »

It seems to me that they are offering you list price for the car, i.e. no discount, hence not a good deal.

They will really want to sell you that car. You need to bargain harder.

If you were trading in a banger for scrappage they'd be giving you €3500 off the price, no questions asked. I'd be calling them and throwing in a few "I dont know, its too expensive..." comments and start talking about e208 prices etc etc... just complain about the price... they'll move.

Cars like the e208 have a WLTP range of 340km so not that far off what the L62 has at 385km and importantly they will charge faster than the L62 so on a long journey the e208, Corsa etc will probably get you there faster. And there's the price.... for the spec you are after the e208 is nearly €10k cheaper.

Any reason you'd rule out the likes of an e208.... too small, doesnt fit family needs etc?

I just think the L62 is way over priced and will find itself under price pressure within 12 months (e208, Corsa-e, ID.3, elBorn etc etc) and by the time you go to trade it it will have suffered considerably price wise. Nissan are having a laugh with the price. Dont do it, I say!

Got a call from a second dealer 13.5k for my car + 28k to change 😬 it’s getting worse

peposhi

KCross wrote: »

It seems to me that they are offering you list price for the car, i.e. no discount, hence not a good deal.

They will really want to sell you that car. You need to bargain harder.

If you were trading in a banger for scrappage they'd be giving you €3500 off the price, no questions asked. I'd be calling them and throwing in a few "I dont know, its too expensive..." comments and start talking about e208 prices etc etc... just complain about the price... they'll move.

Cars like the e208 have a WLTP range of 340km so not that far off what the L62 has at 385km and importantly they will charge faster than the L62 so on a long journey the e208, Corsa etc will probably get you there faster. And there's the price.... for the spec you are after the e208 is nearly €10k cheaper.

Any reason you'd rule out the likes of an e208.... too small, doesnt fit family needs etc?

I just think the L62 is way over priced and will find itself under price pressure within 12 months (e208, Corsa-e, ID.3, elBorn etc etc) and by the time you go to trade it it will have suffered considerably price wise. Nissan are having a laugh with the price. Dont do it, I say!

I hear you... perhaps I’d need to rethink. I still have set my heart on the L62 but will consider other options...

KCross

peposhi wrote: »

Got a call from a second dealer 13.5k for my car + 28k to change �� it’s getting worse

Try a different dealer and get a quote based on no trade-in and even suggest that you have a scrappage car and see what prices you get?

It will be more hassle but you are probably talking about €000s!

Joseph SEE

peposhi wrote: »

It would not be that bad compared to the rest. Worst case scenario even if you lose 20% on a 62kwh battery over 5-8 years - still a good bit left in it (at least time and a half more than my current one)

According to Geotab's data, the difference between the 2017 Soul and 2017 Leaf is stark. After 2 years and 8 months the Soul had 98.8 per cent capacity. The Leaf had 94.7 per cent over the same period of time.

As the largest degradation is seen in the first year the Soul should have over 90 per cent capacity over 10 years (maybe even 95%). The Leaf will likely suffer at least twice the degradation.

https://storage.googleapis.com/geotab-sandbox/ev-battery-degradation/index.html

Geotab is a fleet management company.

unkel

peposhi wrote: »

The only cars that are really on my list are L62, Soul and M3 with the latest - our of reach...

What makes you think that? It might be 6-7k more to buy, but it will keep its value far better, most likely lower depreciation in absolute terms. It is also far more efficient, so will cost less to run (although this is barely if at all material) . Thus lower total cost of ownership. Battery is far superior and so is charging speed.

Time to revisit your sums...

slave1

Ha ha, have you not got our hint, Model 3!!!!!!!
Make it work!

Zenith74

All variants of the Leaf to come down by ~€2000 apparently - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/nissan-reduces-leaf-pricing-and-adds-more-standard-kit

Explaining the price drop, Nissan cited “economies of scale” made possible by increased production allocation for the Leaf at its Sunderland plant. It added that the cut “puts the Leaf in the heart of its rivals in terms of price point and makes it much more competitive”.