Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

Santan

Harika wrote: »

Look at Schumacher at Mercedes. No chance as the car and driving style didn't suit him.

Brawn said from almost day 1, Schumacher said the tyre wear was the biggest problem, that almost 2 years of development went into that to get it right

AMKC

Top Gear done a lovely dedication to Stirling Moss. Well worth watching. It repeated again on Thursday morning at 02.50am.

GarIT

Red Bull management have said Gasly will never drive a Red Bull again. Meaning the main team, they are happy with him in the 2nd team. Gasly has said he is talking to other teams for 2022.

Helmut Marko recently said something along the lines of the following regarding the second seat "We have a young driver program and we want to promote talent from internally, but it looks like we don't have any talent internally so we have to look to other sources"

klose

Think I read gasly being mooted for Renault season after next? Surely perez is a no brainer for red bull for next season? Albon is so done at red bull you could stick a fork in him.

This is it

GarIT wrote: »

Helmut Marko recently said something along the lines of the following regarding the second seat "We have a young driver program and we want to promote talent from internally, but it looks like we don't have any talent internally so we have to look to other sources"

Burn!

wally1990

For those who already saw drive to survive

I found another show(sorry if already posted

September 2020
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12855754/

El_Duderino 09

GarIT wrote: »

Red Bull management have said Gasly will never drive a Red Bull again. Meaning the main team, they are happy with him in the 2nd team. Gasly has said he is talking to other teams for 2022.

Helmut Marko recently said something along the lines of the following regarding the second seat "We have a young driver program and we want to promote talent from internally, but it looks like we don't have any talent internally so we have to look to other sources"

It's obviously not true though. Gasley is a talent. Marko would have been right if he said "we have a talented driver in Gasley but we've already demonstrated our own inability to get any speed from him".

Since the Red Bull team is woeful at developing a driver alongside Max, they are probably 100% correct to get an experienced driver like Perez.

GarIT

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's obviously not true though. Gasley is a talent. Marko would have been right if he said "we have a talented driver in Gasley but we've already demonstrated our own inability to get any speed from him".

Since the Red Bull team is woeful at developing a driver alongside Max, they are probably 100% correct to get an experienced driver like Perez.

I'm not saying they are correct. I'm repeating something that might give some insight to their plans. They have no intention of giving Gasly another chance. And they are only considering outsiders to replace Albon.

El_Duderino 09

GarIT wrote: »

I'm not saying they are correct. I'm repeating something that might give some insight to their plans. They have no intention of giving Gasly another chance. And they are only considering outsiders to replace Albon.

It's Marko who i disagreed with

GarIT

Horner said within the last 24 hours that Albon has Today and next weekend to bounce back and claim the seat.

He said they need two cars that can be within range of Mercedes next season.

And he said if they aren't keeping Albon they "will have to look outside the Red Bull pool of drivers as there is not one available that we would look to put in. There are some quality drivers on the market who are going to be unemployed for next year"

In summary, Albon out, Kivyat probably out as super license for Tsunoda requirements have been reduced by 10 points this year, and Gasly heavily insulted by both Marko and Horner. Perez, Hulk or Russell for next year.

My crazy outside hope is Hamilton to Red Bull as he has less than two months on his current Merc contract and they haven't started negotiating another one.

quokula

GarIT wrote: »

Horner said within the last 24 hours that Albon has Today and next weekend to bounce back and claim the seat.

He said they need two cars that can be within range of Mercedes next season.

And he said if they aren't keeping Albon they "will have to look outside the Red Bull pool of drivers as there is not one available that we would look to put in. There are some quality drivers on the market who are going to be unemployed for next year"

Grosjean to Red Bull it is

GarIT

quokula wrote: »

Grosjean to Red Bull it is

Kubica so they can prove their cars are so good anyone could win in one.

EDIT: I was tired and forgot to say half half of this. Hamilton to Red Bull and Kubica to Mercedes so Mercedes can advertised that their cars are just so much better.

Man with broke phone

GarIT wrote: »

Kubica so they can prove their cars are so good anyone could win in one.

Maldonado starts rubbing his helmet with a babywipe

Jordan 199

I was looking at the standings in the Drivers Championship and I saw that Ricciardo was 4th in it and scored 80 points. To see him fourth took me by surprise I have to say.

There are five races left to go, but if Danny ends up finishing 4th in the drivers championship, it would be a brilliant result for him.

El_Duderino 09

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I was looking at the standings in the Drivers Championship and I saw that Ricciardo was 4th in it and scored 80 points. To see him fourth took me by surprise I have to say.

There are five races left to go, but if Danny ends up finishing 4th in the drivers championship, it would be a brilliant result for him.

He’s fourth and only 5 points ahead of LeClerc in 5th. I think LeClerc and Danny are have in excellent seasons. Really showing up their teammates as inferior. Ocon has an excuse and his performances have gotten closer to Danny, particularly in quali. But Vettel’s performances have dropped further and further back from LeClerc.

It’s safe to say the Renault has improved and Ocon has improved too. But it’s hard to know if the ferrari has improved or if LeClerc has improved or if Vettel has just gone backwards.

PukkaStukka

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

But it’s hard to know if the ferrari has improved or if LeClerc has improved or if Vettel has just gone backwards.

We won't know the true picture with Vettel till next year.

Charlie-Bravo

I'm expecting Stroll to show Vettel up next year.

AMKC

astrofluff wrote: »

I'm expecting Stroll to show Vettel up next year.

I hope your wrong on that. I think Racing Point are fools to be getting rid of Perez and keeping Stroll. Don't get me wrong he is not the worst driver just a bit dull and certainly not as good as Perez. I really hope Vettel can do better next season because if not that will be it for him.

flazio

Racing Point are 3rd at the moment only a few points ahead of McLaren and Renault. If they drop back to 4th or 5th by the end of the season, I guarantee you it won't be Perez's fault. Stroll had a shocker yesterday. I'm not saying he's the most useless driver on the grid right now. But he's not great.

wally1990

astrofluff wrote: »

I'm expecting Stroll to show Vettel up next year.

Really???? if the cars are equal then surely vettel is going to be miles ahead of stroll

PukkaStukka

One for the Kimi fans

https://wtf1.com/post/kimi-raikkonen-had-one-of-the-best-race-starts-we-have-ever-seen/

klose

AMKC wrote: »

I hope your wrong on that. I think Racing Point are fools to be getting rid of Perez and keeping Stroll. Don't get me wrong he is not the worst driver just a bit dull and certainly not as good as Perez. I really hope Vettel can do better next season because if not that will be it for him.

Isn't strolls dad the owner of racing point? Or a massive backer atleast? So long as he's there stroll ain't going anywhere I imagine, definition of a paid driver wasn't he brought straight up from F3.

Really hope vettel can get back up the grid next season.

skipper_G

Stroll isn't terrible, but he's not great either. He's inconsistent, makes silly mistakes and doesn't learn from them. The absolute worst thing though is having to listen to the excuses, everything is excused, 'didn't see him' is the most overused one. The team will never ever suggest he made a mistake. Otmar is like a Catholic priest talking about The Pope, he's infallible.

Man with broke phone

If Perez has no seat next year and Stroll does it will be a crime against racing

flazio

I'll make the point again, Racing Point are third right now. If they drop behind McLaren who have two good drivers it'll be bad. If they fall behind Renault who are currently being held up by Ricciardo alone then they lose a big chunk of prize money. And losing money is something not even Lawrence Stroll can ignore.

quokula

PukkaStukka wrote: »

We won't know the true picture with Vettel till next year.

It's becoming increasingly obvious (Vettel mentioning having to bite his lip) that Vettel is not being supplied with anything like the same equipment and support as Leclerc. No surprise when the utterly inept management have to try and justify their decision to sack their star driver before the season even started.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Vettel beat both Ferraris next year.

wally1990

quokula wrote: »

It's becoming increasingly obvious (Vettel mentioning having to bite his lip) that Vettel is not being supplied with anything like the same equipment and support as Leclerc. No surprise when the utterly inept management have to try and justify their decision to sack their star driver before the season even started.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Vettel beat both Ferraris next year.

That would be so bitter sweet for all Seb fans

PukkaStukka

Vettel attempted to light the rumour mill post race on RTL saying he's at a loss to explain the difference between him and LeClerc. The team issued a swift rebuttal

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153083/ferrari-dismisses-talk-of-f1-cars-not-being-identical

El_Duderino 09

astrofluff wrote: »

I'm expecting Stroll to show Vettel up next year.

I wouldn’t expect Stroll to beat Vettel over the season, but I’d expect it will be relatively close and Stroll will benefit by proximity to Vettel - Vettel will likewise be diminished by the same association.

When LeClerc joined Ferrari, the view was if he could even hang with Vettel then it would be a massive success and advantage LeClerc. He beat Vettel last year and this year is turning into an annihilation (LeClerc has four times as many points 75-18 and a commanding lead in quali and race finishes).

The notion that Vettel is actually a top driver like max and Lewis, is purely fantasy based and not at all fact based. The idea that he’ll bounce back next year is is a real Hail Mary. It’s not impossible that he’ll show he’s been a top driver all along but it would be seriously against form.

Fact is, he’s been fine with an inferior teammate and crumbled/left the team when he’s beaten.

cadaliac

quokula wrote: »

It's becoming increasingly obvious (Vettel mentioning having to bite his lip) that Vettel is not being supplied with anything like the same equipment and support as Leclerc. No surprise when the utterly inept management have to try and justify their decision to sack their star driver before the season even started.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Vettel beat both Ferraris next year.

What equipment isn't the same? Can you be specific please?
I understand the support being different when the atmosphere is toxic but I fail to see what equipment would be different.