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Lisa Smith home.

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    #992
    [Deleted User]
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    Burning a passport is just like me losing a passport. I get a copy of my birth certificate and apply for replacement.


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    #993
    tuxy
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    nthclare wrote: »
    I wonder did she burn her passport too like the rest of those cruel vile warriors...

    How did she get here without a passport ?

    Irreverent, burning your passport does not renounce your citizenship and you can not apply to renounce it unless you are a citizen of another legitimate country.
    Emergency travels documents were created to allow her home, if we didn't do it willingly Turkey would have demanded we do so and under international law Turkey would be in the right(something unusual for Turkey)


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    #994
    Boggles
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    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    She's been taken to the CCJ according to a tweet (which I cannot link to for some reason). Presumably an application for an extension to her detention.

    Or Bailed.


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    #995
    tuxy
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    If an Irish citizen somehow ended up at the entry point in Dublin Airport with no passport and no travel documents they have to let you in as there is nowhere they can deport you to.
    Now they may spend hours ensuring you are actually an Irish citizen but eventually they would have to let you in.


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    #996
    elperello
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    RTE report detention extended by 24 hours


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    #997
    Beechwoodspark
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    tuxy wrote: »
    If an Irish citizen somehow ended up at the entry point in Dublin Airport with no passport and no travel documents they have to let you in as there is nowhere they can deport you to.
    Now they may spend hours ensuring you are actually an Irish citizen but eventually they would have to let you in.

    Your “story” above makes no sense

    If someone arrives at the border How can they prove they are a irish citizen if no ID docs whatsoever


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    #998
    tuxy
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    elperello wrote: »
    RTE report detention extended by 24 hours

    Looks like the Garda are doing all they can but I'd say they are working with limited legislation and evidence.


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    #999
    tuxy
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Your “story” above makes no sense

    How can someone prove they are a irish citizen if no ID docs whatsoever

    There are records such as birth certs, PPSN number. It's impossible to be a citizen and not leave some kind of paper trail.


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    #1000
    elperello
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Your “story” above makes no sense

    If someone arrives at the border How can they prove they are a irish citizen if no ID docs whatsoever

    Difficult but not impossible.
    Assuming it's an adult who grew up in Ireland there would be quite a trail to follow.


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    #1001
    tuxy
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    elperello wrote: »
    Difficult but not impossible.
    Assuming it's an adult who grew up in Ireland there would be quite a trail to follow.

    Exactly. Is it possible for there to be a situation where someone became a citizen later in life and there to be absently no record of it? I doubt it.


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    #1002
    bigpink
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    We have to take her back but needs to be jailed


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    #1003
    HeidiHeidi
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    bigpink wrote: »
    We have to take her back but needs to be jailed

    She needs to be charged with or convicted of something first....


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    #1004
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,425 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    At the border the guards won’t be checking any of that. They will have a mobile phone on them maximum so can possibly make phone calls to the station. That’s the height of it.


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    #1005
    tuxy
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    bigpink wrote: »
    We have to take her back but needs to be jailed

    Many free people should be jailed but there also needs to be a crime with evidence to back it up.


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    #1006
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,756 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    tuxy wrote: »
    Exactly. Is it possible for there to be a situation where someone became a citizen later in life and there to be absently no record of it? I doubt it.

    With the exception of the UK they would have required a passport to enter another country.


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    #1007
    tuxy
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    At the border the guards won’t be checking any of that. They will have a mobile phone on them maximum so can possibly make phone calls to the station. That’s the height of it.

    This is why it would take many hours or even days to sort out. But the person would be let in if they are really an Irish citizen. The only other option would be to leave them in the terminal indefinitely.


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    #1008
    Boggles
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    tuxy wrote: »
    This is why it would take many hours or even days to sort out. But the person would be let in if they are really an Irish citizen. The only other option would be to leave them in the terminal indefinitely.

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    #1009
    tuxy
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    elperello wrote: »
    With the exception of the UK they would have required a passport to enter another country.

    I'm thinking of a situation where we refused to make travel documents for someone like Lisa and Turkey forced the airline to take her on board.
    She would be allowed enter in Dublin it would just take a long time investigating what happened. There would be nowhere to deport her to.


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    #1010
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    tuxy wrote: »
    Looks like the Garda are doing all they can but I'd say they are working with limited legislation and evidence.

    It'll be easy to find evidence, and a good barrister representing the state who has knowledge of her interpretation of Islam and the death cult she joined and it's evils could wipe the floor against any opposing barrister.
    There's supposedly women in Tunisia who have plenty of evidence to put Lisa Away, it's for her own good Anyhow.
    Put her in with a few girls from inner city Dublin Limerick or Cork she won't have her caliphate behind her then I'm sure of it.

    The real version of Islam embraces people of the Abrahamic book's.

    I know Iran isn't exactly to everyone's taste, but the Shia Muslims folllow the Koran in a more realistic way than the salafist house of Saud etc


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    #1011
    ohnonotgmail
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    nthclare wrote: »
    It'll be easy to find evidence, and a good barrister representing the state who has knowledge of her interpretation of Islam and the death cult she joined and it's evils could wipe the floor against any opposing barrister.

    We dont put people on trial for their religious beliefs
    nthclare wrote: »
    There's supposedly women in Tunisia who have plenty of evidence to put Lisa Away, it's for her own good Anyhow.
    Put her in with a few girls from inner city Dublin Limerick or Cork she won't have her caliphate behind her then I'm sure of it.

    The real version of Islam embraces people of the Abrahamic book's.

    I know Iran isn't exactly to everyone's taste, but the Shia Muslims folllow the Koran in a more realistic way than the salafist house of Saud etc

    women with evidence of Smiths direct involvement?


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    #1012
    tuxy
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    nthclare wrote: »
    It'll be easy to find evidence

    Easy? Have the Tunisian giverment showed any sign that they will use resources to investigate this for us.
    Her main crimes will be in Syria under IS control. I'm not sure how willing IS will be to cooperate I doubt their evidence would hold up in court


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    #1013
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    We dont put people on trial for their religious beliefs

    Islamist terrorism is not a religious belief.

    It is mental illness which references a religious belief.


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    #1014
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,353 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Islamist terrorism is not a religious belief.

    It is mental illness which references a religious belief.

    we dont try people for being mentally ill either.


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    #1015
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    We dont put people on trial for their religious beliefs



    women with evidence of Smiths direct involvement?

    What would you think so ?

    A dog with a mallet up his hole knows she's not to be trusted.


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    #1016
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,353 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nthclare wrote: »
    What would you think so ?

    A dog with a mallet up his hole knows she's not to be trusted.

    not normally admissable in a court of law.


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    #1017
    Boggles
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    nthclare wrote: »
    A dog with a mallet up his hole knows she's not to be trusted.

    Exhibit A your honor.


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    #1018
    elperello
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    tuxy wrote: »
    I'm thinking of a situation where we refused to make travel documents for someone like Lisa and Turkey forced the airline to take her on board.
    She would be allowed enter in Dublin it would just take a long time investigating what happened. There would be nowhere to deport her to.

    They would be allowed to enter after checks were made.
    My point about a pre-existing passport was just to illustrate part of the records trail available.


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    #1019
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we dont try people for being mentally ill either.

    I referred to Islamist terrorism as mental illness.

    Not to it's individual proponents as mentally ill.

    They can be tried, and bloody well ought to be.


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    #1020
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Boggles wrote: »
    Exhibit A your honor.

    lol well sure you know how the judiciary work here, I'd prefer to be sitting before Judge from the wanderly wagon than anything else...

    Maybe that soundtrack could be an anthem...here comes the wagon,wanderly wanderly wagon....

    Or ding dong the.....


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    #1021
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,353 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    I referred to Islamist terrorism as mental illness.

    Not to it's individual proponents, who can be tried, and bloody well ought to be.

    so you have evidence of her committing terrorist acts personally? you should forward it to garda HQ because i'm pretty sure they have nothing.


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