Why aren't you a vegan!?

Cards on the table, I'm not a vegan.

That said, it's very hard to argue against the common vegan. After all, almost nobody argues that there is some positive benefit toward the infliction of suffering on animals.

Nobody would argue in favour of collecting dogs in the back of a truck, and sending them off for slaughter in some local abatoir. But that's precisely what happens with the other sentient animals.

The process is often brutal, but even if it were pain-free, the argument goes that animals shouldn't be killed in the same way we wouldn't recommend it for horses or dogs.

I can't really think of a valid argument against veganism. You'd think, then, that I would convert to veganism, but I haven't - and won't. It's a purely selfish endeavour, then, because I'm being hypocritical about how I would react if I saw dogs treated in the same way as farmed animals.

True, there are evolutionary reasons for eating meat. I think the argument now is that there are sufficient plant alternatives.

So, why aren't you a vegan?

Perhaps you have a valid position I, or others here, haven't thought of.

But thus far, I can't frame a case against it.

endacl

Don’t want to be. Like the taste of meat. Ok with farming/slaughter practices.

That’s why.

endacl

endacl wrote: »

Don’t want to be. Like the taste of meat. Ok with farming/slaughter practices.

That’s why.

Would you be comfortable if dogs or horses or cats were farmed in accordance with the same methods, then, to add more diversity to our menus?

screamer

Life’s too short and can’t be arsed

YFlyer

Vegan most of the time. Odd time vegetarian and less so fish dishes due to where I am.

Apiarist

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you be comfortable if dogs or horses or cats were farmed in accordance with the same methods, then, to add more diversity to our menus?

Too expensive to farm those species for meat. Especially cats.

tayto lover

Love my steak and other meats.
If I was born to eat green stuff I’d have four legs.

Donnielighto

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would you be comfortable if dogs or horses or cats were farmed in accordance with the same methods, then, to add more diversity to our menus?

Wouldnt eat primary meat eater. Cats and dogs wouldnt be for me, horse would be fine though.

Donnielighto

tayto lover wrote: »

Love my steak and other meats.
If I was born to eat green stuff I’d have four legs.

You are born to eat green stuff, just not exclusively.

Odelay

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would you be comfortable if dogs or horses or cats were farmed in accordance with the same methods, then, to add more diversity to our menus?

Farm animals are often treated better than many humans. Given the choice of coming back as a dairy cow or someone in the third world, I’d prefer to come back as the cow.

Donnielighto

Odelay wrote: »

Farm animals are often treated better than many humans. Given the choice of coming back as a dairy cow or someone in the third world, I’d prefer to come back as the cow.

That's pretty bleak. Our cattle are looked after but they are stuck in the shed for a few months a year.

Farm animals aren't looked after better than humans, bor should they tbh.

RocketRaccoon

I love cheese and chocolate too much

I love meat too much. I'm selfish and I don't feel good about it.

Quantum Erasure

I like milk in my tea, i like cake.

whisky_galore

Meat is tasty. Omnomnomnom.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Meat is tasty. Omnomnomnom.

I think we can almost all agree to that.

whisky_galore

victor8600 wrote: »

Too expensive to farm those species for meat. Especially cats.

Plenty old nags being abandoned by our cultural friends, pity not to make use of them.
Horse is damn tasty meat.

RacoonQueen

Can't be bothered learning how to cook tasty vegan food.

I like making cake. Would happily add meat free meals to my daily diet, but, well...see above.

Spanish Eyes

I honestly don't think it has much to do with meat/animals/climate change etc.. It is the cult du jour now.

And to be honest, being vegan must be hard work, looking at labels for the merest hint of anything non vegan and so on.

Each to their own, but do NOT preach to me. Thank you kindly.

osarusan

I would easily go a day or two without any meat in my diet. Not as a conscious choice, but because my breakfast would usually be meat-free, and lunch is just some fruit, so if dinner was meat free, which it would be around 3 days a week, those would end up being vegetarian days.


A vegan diet goes way further though, and I am nowhere near that, on any day.

Pmacv1

I am.

s7ryf3925pivug

I was vegetarian for seven years. Minimised dairy consumption during that time, with butter being the major weakness.

My wife got extreme morning sickness while pregnant. We decided meat was the best way of getting the nutrition she needed in as dense a form as possible. I started eating meat as well so she felt less bad about it.

I kept eating it and feed it to our son. Iron deficiency in babies is huge in Ireland. Meats like duck and beef are very high in iron and he likes them. It's also a lot of work looking after a baby and vegetarian food doesn't offer good convenient options. (You can cook really big batches and reheat portions well, but that isn't something we've had capacity for either.)

My priorities changed since having a kid too in a way that made me care less about eating meat or not.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I honestly don't think it has much to do with meat/animals/climate change etc.. It is the cult du jour now.

And to be honest, being vegan must be hard work, looking at labels for the merest hint of anything non vegan and so on.

Each to their own, but do NOT preach to me. Thank you kindly.

Do you think they've won the "moral case" though?

is_that_so

Like the choice of not eating meat as much as I enjoy the taste of it. Veganism doesn't appeal to me at all, so much lovely food you can't eat.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you be comfortable if dogs or horses or cats were farmed in accordance with the same methods, then, to add more diversity to our menus?

Knock your socks off. I mean it. I don't have any prejudices based on the meat source except when it comes to humans. I don't particularly like a variety of meats such as cat, or dog. Tried them both. Cat in France and Dog in China. Horse can be very tasty indeed. Quite enjoy snake. We could start farms in Ireland like they do in Thailand. Yum Yum.

I eat a majority of vegetables most of the time, but I do love eating meat too. No interest in stopping for any misplaced sense of guilt. It's like the people who will eat sheep but refuse to eat the lamb meat. I guess they're too cute to eat?

Humans are predators. TBH I'd love to try Panda steak, but the Chinese would likely execute me if I tried.

eviltwin

No one should have to justify why they eat a certain way. There's nothing wrong with eating meat if that's what you want to do. Meat eaters don't owe anyone an explanation. I am a vegan because it suits me, it's not for everyone.

mickuhaha

I eat meat for the health benefits, it contains all of the essential amino acids that your body needs to function effectively. As part of a balanced diet it can ensure you are getting all your body needs.

Spanish Eyes

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Do you think they've won the "moral case" though?

No I don't, because it is just another religion now and we know how they work.

notobtuse

Because I have canines, not cow teeth.

paw patrol

the polarising nature of the whole vegan v everybody is tiresome

I eat the food I like , my diet is quite meat heavy. I'd eat meat 2 out of 3 meals and it's pretty much 99% of meals if milk/eggs thrown in.

maccored

if im going to make animals suffer by eating meat, then Im going to make plants suffer by eating some of them as well

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

No I don't, because it is just another religion now and we know how they work.

I suspect though as the vegan movement gains more traction, there'll be more debate than ever on how farm animals are treated.

paw patrol wrote: »

the polarising nature of the whole vegan v everybody is tiresome.

I eat the food I like , my diet is quite meat heavy. I'd eat meat 2 out of 3 meals and it's pretty much 99% of meals if milk/eggs thrown in.

So when it comes to the treatment of farm animals, is it a case that you don't care about how animals are treated/killed? (I'm not a vegan; though I'm curious to see how other people react to the claims)

if im going to make animals suffer by eating meat, then Im going to make plants suffer by eating some of them as well

But plants aren't "sentient".

Apiarist

whisky_galore wrote: »

Plenty old nags being abandoned by our cultural friends, pity not to make use of them.
Horse is damn tasty meat.

I have cooked meat from an old horse for my dogs once. The meat did look quite tough and smelled as strong as mutton.

Tar.Aldarion

I am a vegan because like you OP, I saw no argument against it, and many for it. I didn't want to be at all but felt I should, was a pain in the ass at first, it was way harder back then than now - find it a doddle these days. Put it off for a long time (partly because of annoying vegans! haha) but I am much happier now living in line with what I believe to be right.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Can't be bothered learning how to cook tasty vegan food.

I like making cake. Would happily add meat free meals to my daily diet, but, well...see above.

A vegan bakery won best bakery in Ireland last week which was pretty cool I thought! I also just ate the pizza that won the best pizza in the world this week, and it is vegan. Much easier to buy than cook all right haha As it becomes more convenient people will do it, that's really the only way to get most people to do anything!

My sister is vegan too, so is her son. He'll grow up knowing how to make good food so it'll be easier for him. We all come from farms and farmland, yet even my mother eats a load of vegan meals now, has oat milk instead of dairy milk and so on. years ago she wouldn't even try it!

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notobtuse wrote: »

Because I have canines, not cow teeth.

That whole canine steer has been disproven. Our ancestors used them for biting lads down at the watering hole, they're purely for fighting, not meat.

Tar.Aldarion

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

A vegan bakery won best bakery in Ireland last week which was pretty cool I thought! I also just ate the pizza that won the best pizza in the world this week, and it is vegan. Much easier to buy than cook all right haha As it becomes more convenient people will do it, that's really the only way to get most people to do anything!

Yeah, but it's back to this idea that you're a meat eater or you're a vegan. That the meat eaters will want to change.

There's a variety of vegan dishes I love from the restaurant nearby. Their vegetarian pizza is wonderful too. I'll often make salads at home without any meat/fish. However, that doesn't stop me or discourage me from eating a dish with 70% meat in it.

There's no way I would ever give up my bacon sandwiches. Nope. Not going to happen.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Deleted User wrote: »

Cards on the table, I'm not a vegan.

That said, it's very hard to argue against the common vegan. After all, almost nobody argues that there is some positive benefit toward the infliction of suffering on animals.

Nobody would argue in favour of collecting dogs in the back of a truck, and sending them off for slaughter in some local abatoir. But that's precisely what happens with the other sentient animals.

The process is often brutal, but even if it were pain-free, the argument goes that animals shouldn't be killed in the same way we wouldn't recommend it for horses or dogs.

I can't really think of a valid argument against veganism. You'd think, then, that I would convert to veganism, but I haven't - and won't. It's a purely selfish endeavour, then, because I'm being hypocritical about how I would react if I saw dogs treated in the same way as farmed animals.

True, there are evolutionary reasons for eating meat. I think the argument now is that there are sufficient plant alternatives.

So, why aren't you a vegan?

Perhaps you have a valid position I, or others here, haven't thought of.

But thus far, I can't frame a case against it.

Some nutrients are far more bioavailable via meat. Iron, for example.

bfa1509

Deleted User wrote: »

Cards on the table, I'm not a vegan.

That said, it's very hard to argue against the common vegan. After all, almost nobody argues that there is some positive benefit toward the infliction of suffering on animals.

Nobody would argue in favour of collecting dogs in the back of a truck, and sending them off for slaughter in some local abatoir. But that's precisely what happens with the other sentient animals.

The process is often brutal, but even if it were pain-free, the argument goes that animals shouldn't be killed in the same way we wouldn't recommend it for horses or dogs.

I can't really think of a valid argument against veganism. You'd think, then, that I would convert to veganism, but I haven't - and won't. It's a purely selfish endeavour, then, because I'm being hypocritical about how I would react if I saw dogs treated in the same way as farmed animals.

True, there are evolutionary reasons for eating meat. I think the argument now is that there are sufficient plant alternatives.

So, why aren't you a vegan?

Perhaps you have a valid position I, or others here, haven't thought of.

But thus far, I can't frame a case against it.

Yes, those are reasonable points. But if you get down to the bones of it (:pac:) humans are dangerous predators who were designed to hunt, kill and eat without any remorse. Emotions and other weaknesses somehow worked their way in there but we need to suppress all these feelings and continue eating meat so we can defend ourselves against other barbaric creatures.

I've never seen a vegan overpower a not-a-vegan. Not saying it can't be done, I have just never seen it. Also, in our theoretical vegan utopia, should we stop other animals eating meat also? I'd hate to get between a lion and his supper.

Halal/kosher on the other hand...

Tar.Aldarion

bfa1509 wrote: »

I've never seen a vegan overpower a not-a-vegan.

Do you see people overpower each other often
Here's an irish vegan lifting 750lbs (340kg), there's a reason the video has millions of views! Strong dude!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdTc2Gv52uI

There's a new documentary out about plantbased athletes on netflix that is really good, i saw it in the cinema recently
https://www.netflix.com/title/81157840

Ronaldinho

Deleted User wrote: »

So, why aren't you a vegan?

I like meat. I believe it's good for me nutritionally in the quantities I eat.
I don't think we would have gotten to the top of the foodchain if we'd been vegan.

kenmc

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you be comfortable if dogs or horses or cats were farmed in accordance with the same methods, then, to add more diversity to our menus?

It's all just fuel. Have eaten horse several times on the continent. Never had the opportunity to try cat or dog. Guinea pig in Peru. Insects in Asia. Like I said, all just fuel at the end of the day.

i love meat. i tried being vegetarian before, i lasted a year
also the substitutes are never ever gf

LarryGraham

bfa1509 wrote: »

I've never seen a vegan overpower a not-a-vegan. Not saying it can't be done, I have just never seen it.

Apart from Nate Diaz?

endacl

tayto lover wrote: »

Love my steak and other meats.
If I was born to eat green stuff I’d have four legs.

Same as meself. A vegetarian once removed. I only eat vegetarian animals.

Tar.Aldarion

bluewolf wrote: »

i love meat. i tried being vegetarian before, i lasted a year
also the substitutes are never ever gf

Just had the new "meatless farm co" sausages from Dunnes this evening, they were great and gluten free if you want to give those a whirl.

tayto lover

Do vegans eat eggs or honey? Or are these optional?

Tar.Aldarion

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Just had the new "meatless farm co" sausages from Dunnes this evening, they were great and gluten free if you want to give those a whirl.

Brilliant i totally will

There’s a lot to lose from people not eating meat, plus I like meat. The attitude of vegans would deter me from the whole scene more than anything though.

GhostyMcGhost

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cards on the table, I'm not a vegan.

That said, it's very hard to argue against the common vegan. After all, almost nobody argues that there is some positive benefit toward the infliction of suffering on animals.

Nobody would argue in favour of collecting dogs in the back of a truck, and sending them off for slaughter in some local abatoir. But that's precisely what happens with the other sentient animals.

The process is often brutal, but even if it were pain-free, the argument goes that animals shouldn't be killed in the same way we wouldn't recommend it for horses or dogs.

I can't really think of a valid argument against veganism. You'd think, then, that I would convert to veganism, but I haven't - and won't. It's a purely selfish endeavour, then, because I'm being hypocritical about how I would react if I saw dogs treated in the same way as farmed animals.

True, there are evolutionary reasons for eating meat. I think the argument now is that there are sufficient plant alternatives.

So, why aren't you a vegan?

Perhaps you have a valid position I, or others here, haven't thought of.

But thus far, I can't frame a case against it.

I can see a case for vegetarian alright which covers everything you describe

Vegan? Literally F**k that ****.

What’s with vegan sausage rolls and burgers anyway? You’re just torturing yourself instead of the animal

Tar.Aldarion

bluewolf wrote: »

Brilliant i totally will

They have mince too, which is dead handy. Hope you enjoy! Good bit of protein for the gains.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Do vegans eat eggs or honey? Or are these optional?

As far as I'm aware, they don't eat eggs or honey.