Rural Fibre Broadband, Really?

Thelonious Monk

Cyrus wrote: »

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

Sooner or later the whole of Ireland will just be like the below pic, I don't know how they'll all cope being that close to one another

tom1ie

tom1ie wrote: »

So you had to pay to get a new electricity connection from the ESB.
Do you have to pay to get a fibre broadband connection under this new national broadband plan?

Yes you will have to pay for the installation from a fibre splitter on a nearby pole to your home.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Sewage, water (private water scheme), waste water, our road was improved with all work (aside from taring) being either done by us, funded or partly funded by us. Significant costs in adding a new electricity connection and higher electricity costs, when we do get fibre BB (which eir stopped 200m from the house) we will pay to actually get in ran into the house.

We provide all our own transport, provide our own waste collection and deposit at a collection facility, our own recycling and deposit at a recycling facility.

Also in a time of major housing shortage we are providing land to build my own new house on and will construct a house that would not exist were it not for providing our own land to do so.

It’s really stretching things to paint this as an altruistic act. :pac:

andekwarhola

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Not interested in the urban rural debate. It definitely needs to be run out to all villages and towns but not sure if high speed broadband is exactly a human right if you've chosen to build once off housing outside villages and towns.

No more than you can expect pubs, shops, street lighting etc. That's not a slight to rural communities, just common economic sense.

As people are so fond of sermonizing about their wonderful McMansions, peace and quiet and scenery, I would have thought the relative lack of luxury infrastructure was all part of the package.

Cyrus

Cyrus wrote: »

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

That's more of a problem with Irish perceptions towards apartment blocks and skyrises. A lot of the problems for Dublin housing could be fixed with apartment complexes similar to they have in China. My own apartment complex has six towers each with 26 floors, 6 apartments to a floor. Reasonably spacious compared to many apartments I've experienced in Europe too.

Anyway, there are plenty of housing estates throughout the countryside which have empty houses, because some people in Dublin don't want to live far from their mothers. The housing estate I have my own house in Cork, has three empty houses, and they can't get any decent renters in. Everyone in the estate is naturally afraid the council will step in, and place some travellers.. and down goes the value for the whole estate. If Dubliners who had little reason to be in Dublin, left for other parts of the country then some of the problems would be alleviated... but they won't. Because Dublin comes first for just about everything.

Cassidy Stale Chimp wrote: »

Sewage, water (private water scheme), waste water, our road was improved with all work (aside from taring) being either done by us, funded or partly funded by us. Significant costs in adding a new electricity connection and higher electricity costs, when we do get fibre BB (which eir stopped 200m from the house) we will pay to actually get in ran into the house.

Agreed. My parents home in the West is paid in majority by them. All the facilities around them were paid and maintained by the local community group.

We provide all our own transport, provide our own waste collection and deposit at a collection facility, our own recycling and deposit at a recycling facility.
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Public transportation in many rural areas is beyond a joke.. which is why it's mostly funded and worked by local people.

rossie1977 wrote: »

This is the time when we should be rolling out large infrastructure projects across the country.

You cannot ignore rural Ireland either. Still makes up majority of population and if you continue to cut services and not investing in other areas you will end up with a powder keg like we have seen in France.

Exactly... but whenever Ireland has money to spend it's focused on the cities and one city in particular. Rural Ireland, and the range of towns are generally far down the list of priorities. And it's easily seen when you drive through essentially deserted towns like Longford. Ugh. It's a ****hole but it's a ****hole because there's never really been any decent attention given to it. Same with dozens of other towns across Ireland which have become gutted in recent years... but nobody really wants to fix the problem.

snotboogie

Irish people have a horrible knowledge of the demography of our own country. There are massive gradients of urbanisation ranging from Dublin to one off country houses but we only seem aware of the two extremes.

Plumbthedepths

Nermal wrote: »

Sure, so long as you pay what it costs and don't demand the rest of us to subsidise you.

Not how it works chief. ;-)

jmayo

Cyrus wrote: »

LOL

yeah you building a one off country house is a real contribution to the major housing shortage, i thought the planning departments were tasked with preventing this burdensome carry on. :pac:

Well he isn't asking tha taxpayers, which according to some only exist in Dublin, to pay for the fooking thing now is he?

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Sooner or later the whole of Ireland will just be like the below pic, I don't know how they'll all cope being that close to one another

This is what decent housing in cities used to look like. ..



Then it started to go like this ...



You may make jokes about the country but sooner or later Dublin is going to go like this or you will be living in the country.

Cyrus

jmayo wrote: »

Well he isn't asking tha taxpayers, which according to some only exist in Dublin, to pay for the fooking thing now is he?

It was him making it out like it was some public service chief

Mickey Mike

Just came across this topic. I live in rural Ireland, it was this time last year when we got connected to eir fibre optic broadband, and now we'll never look back, a 4g network that can work multiple devices. Expensive I know but they must be watched, a deal is a deal and you are the customer.

Thelonious Monk

jmayo wrote: »

You may make jokes about the country but sooner or later Dublin is going to go like this or you will be living in the country.

And what's wrong with that exactly?

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

And what's wrong with that exactly?

Nothing. It just depends on how it's managed, and the area policed. People tend to make associations with Apartment blocks in the UK which lean heavily towards crime and neglect.

However, for the last decade I've been living in Apartments. My current apartment complex has two shops, a dry cleaners, and a doctors/dentists office (they alternate their days, open from 8 am to 2pm) within the complex itself. Safe areas for children to play, and people to exercise outside. There's a gym next door which is kinda shared with the three other complexes nearby. Police booth nearby with two police officers there day or night. The complex itself has it's own security and maintenance staff which do a pretty good job of keeping the place secure and clean. Two layers of security on entrance to the complex. Zero crime in the area, because there's a larger police station responsible for covering the 12 complexes in this particular area. And this is China where officials and those in services are extremely lazy.

There's this idea in Ireland/UK that apartments have to be dingy squalid places because that's what's happened most of the time in the past. It doesn't have to be that way, as long as there's some planning and proper maintenance/policing done.

I love my House, but TBH I have far more access to facilities/services due to the organisation of the complexes than I would in most cities in Ireland.

I really wish Irish governments/organisations would stop with the short term mindset and start considering the future in more practical terms. Start learning from the mistakes and successes of other nations, and corporations.

_Brian

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

And what's wrong with that exactly?

If you want to live like a battery chicken your welcome to it.

is_that_so

_Brian wrote: »

If you want to live like a battery chicken your welcome to it.

Expect to see more of it in urban areas. As stated above it depends how it is done. If you imagine a latter-day Ballymun we have moved on past that. Selling the concept is the biggest challenge and the scale will not be like the photo, at least not for most of this century.

Thelonious Monk

_Brian wrote: »

If you want to live like a battery chicken your welcome to it.

You do realise if everyone in ireland lived in bungalow blight like yourself you may not live in the blissful isolation you people seem to crave so much?
High rise apartments need to be encouraged all over ireland.

Thelonious Monk

is_that_so wrote: »

Expect to see more of it in urban areas. As stated above it depends how it is done. If you imagine a latter-day Ballymun we have moved on past that. Selling the concept is the biggest challenge and the scale will not be like the photo, at least not for most of this century.

Why not at that scale? Thats the norm all over Europe and in london, cant speak for rest of UK. Land is finite. People seem to have a problem grasping this.

_Brian

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You do realise if everyone in ireland lived in bungalow blight like yourself you may not live in the blissful isolation you people seem to crave so much?
High rise apartments need to be encouraged all over ireland.

I agree some people have to live like that.
But let’s not pretend it’s nice or an enjoyable way to live.

Racked and stacked with all sorts of people, listening to every move they make. Guy that worked for me saod he was desperate to get out of their flat as they were woke every night by the guy next door getting up during the night and having a slash.

BeerWolf

OP, it is absolutely essential that I get my porn in 4K, preferably 8K, on my 82" TV out here in the sticks...!

jmayo

_Brian wrote: »

I agree some people have to live like that.
But let’s not pretend it’s nice or an enjoyable way to live.

Racked and stacked with all sorts of people, listening to every move they make. Guy that worked for me saod he was desperate to get out of their flat as they were woke every night by the guy next door getting up during the night and having a slash.

But this is the problem with Ireland.
And it is just not apartments, but townhouses and even semi Ds. You can hear the neighbour p*** because the build quality is not there.

It isn't some utopia as described by Klaz above where you have facilities for exercise or kids to play, where there are shops and services on the ground levels, where there is probably allocated storage space for each apartment and most importantly where there is security and policing to keep crime at bay.

No this is fooking Ireland where they build the accommodation, rack em and stack em.
Then they worry about the services sometime later.

Look up the history of Tallaght to see how Ireland has done things and continues to do things.
FFS we can't even build a few school properly without some shyster making a hames of it.
We have probably thousands of apartments out there that could be fire hazards.

_Brian

jmayo wrote: »

But this is the problem with Ireland.
And it is just not apartments, but townhouses and even semi Ds. You can hear the neighbour p*** because the build quality is not there.

It isn't some utopia as described by Klaz above where you have facilities for exercise or kids to play, where there are shops and services on the ground levels, where there is probably allocated storage space for each apartment and most importantly where there is security and policing to keep crime at bay.

No this is fooking Ireland where they build the accommodation, rack em and stack em.
Then they worry about the services sometime later.

Look up the history of Tallaght to see how Ireland has done things and continues to do things.
FFS we can't even build a few school properly without some shyster making a hames of it.
We have probably thousands of apartments out there that could be fire hazards.

The theory of high density living is fine.
The reality is very different, I can’t think of one example in Ireland that has been done properly. Think, tallaght, Finglas, Muirhevnamor , all places where people were stuffed in on top of each other and society broke down as a result.

I live in the sticks yes but I belong here on our farm, my family history goes back generations, within two hindered meters of my house are the ruins of my great, great grandmothers birthplace. We provide our own water, our own sewage, grow some of our own fuel on our site in a coppice.

Jakey Rolling

jmayo wrote: »

But this is the problem with Ireland.
And it is just not apartments, but townhouses and even semi Ds. You can hear the neighbour p*** because the build quality is not there.
.

Funnily enough my apartment in Switzerland had a clause in the lease re not flushing the toilet during the night and gentlemen please p*ss sitting down. Noise carries fantastically well through concrete constructions!

Cyrus

_Brian wrote: »

The theory of high density living is fine.
The reality is very different, I can’t think of one example in Ireland that has been done properly. Think, tallaght, Finglas, Muirhevnamor , all places where people were stuffed in on top of each other and society broke down as a result.

I live in the sticks yes but I belong here on our farm, my family history goes back generations, within two hindered meters of my house are the ruins of my great, great grandmothers birthplace. We provide our own water, our own sewage, grow some of our own fuel on our site in a coppice.

the problem with tallaght and finglas isnt that its high density housing, its some of the people that they put in the houses.

do you think that ballsbridge will fall apart because on lansdowne place for example?

_Brian

Cyrus wrote: »

the problem with tallaght and finglas isnt that its high density housing, its some of the people that they put in the houses.

do you think that ballsbridge will fall apart because on lansdowne place for example?

Sadly more and more of our population are becoming people you don’t want to be stacked in a tower block with.
And the elite areas you mention are way in the minority.

Cyrus

_Brian wrote: »

Sadly more and more of our population are becoming people you don’t want to be stacked in a tower block with.
And the elite areas you mention are way in the minority.

doesnt change my point though, its not an issue with the concept, its an issue with the people. Tower blocks work fine in manhatten.

NIMAN

You can't pick your neighbours in a block of apartments.

Would always be a worry for me.

Thelonious Monk

My partners flat is in a fairly high density apartment complex and its absolutely fine. You cant hear anyone and the place is kept immaculate. The maintenance fees are pretty steep in fairness. I wasnt able to afford such a place so i bought a family home alone in D5. Id way rather be more central in a flat. We need to build so many apartments as central as possible so that folk like myself might be able to afford them and the suburbs can be left to families.

_Brian

Cyrus wrote: »

doesnt change my point though, its not an issue with the concept, its an issue with the people. Tower blocks work fine in manhatten.

Not much consolation when your stuck in high density housing in Ireland with a bunch of feral knuckle draggers

Thelonious Monk

_Brian wrote: »

Not much consolation when your stuck in high density housing in Ireland with a bunch of feral knuckle draggers

Thats only if you put welfare people into the flats. There are probably 10s of 1000s of professionals who would love to live in high rise in a good central area.

Cyrus

_Brian wrote: »

Not much consolation when your stuck in high density housing in Ireland with a bunch of feral knuckle draggers

low density housing where your nearest neighbours are feral knuckle draggers isnt any better,

the common denominator is feral knuckle draggers.

i prefer to live away from them myself

_Brian

Cyrus wrote: »

low density housing where your nearest neighbours are feral knuckle draggers isnt any better,

the common denominator is feral knuckle draggers.

i prefer to live away from them myself

Yea.
We have neighbors like that, but having your neighbors nearly 2km away lowers the inconvenience considerably.