"OK Boomer"

Always Tired

Raconteuse wrote: »

I agree with most of what you say - in fact i think you've explained it the best. Most posts here are just effectively "rur ok boomer lol" or "stfu" when people say something they don't like but which they know is correct.

I don't have faith however that most people know what they're talking about when they use the meme. It's like snowflake, SJW, virtue signalling, incel and George Soros - spouted by people ad nauseum without a notion, and thinking they sound so clever. That's what irritates me. My parents are from the boomer generation so yeah I feel a bit defensive of them. The entire generation being tarred is pretty poor form. I know people will say you have to generalise a bit but a bit! Not to this extent. So many boomers themselves live and have lived in terrible hardship. They had to go to Nam, they had to endure segregation. Poverty in the 50s and 80s here. Industrial schools here right up to the 1970s.

And some of those former hippies helped to introduce birth control, improved rights for women, they were at Stonewall, they marched against segregation and got beaten. They marched against Vietnam and got shot dead.

So while I agree that certain folk are very unfair towards millennials, the reverse is very unfair too.

No I do agree with you also. They're not all bad and certainly many of them are ALSO stuck in bad jobs, etc. And yes, it is certainly on the same level of the 'snowflake' stuff.

But all that lowest common denominator stuff like SJW and snowflake came from the right and from the older generations way before this. The younger generation tried to discuss things properly til we were blue in the face, and at this point it has become clear that eloquence is useless and genuine discourse is a waste of time.

It took us a while, but we got dragged down to their level via sheer exhaustion, and so now we have our own stupid smart aleck snipe to throw out thoughtlessly. Because they don't get any of it or care

Poor_old_gill

Always Tired wrote: »

Again, I was born here, grew up there, live here again now for over a decade. Try to wrap your head around it, you can do it if you try.

Have you tried to wrap your head around something? Now your responses are making more sense.

Tell me more about these profitable foreign wars that the recent Irish governments have been involved in?

Always Tired

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I’m probably younger than you.

You don’t seem to have the ability to explain it in a non American context, which is why I think it has no relevance in Ireland.

You seem to have serious anger management problems and inability to get your point across other than engaging in childish insults and generalisations - isn’t the latter one of the reasons why you are attacking older people?

Irish people born in the 50s/60s experienced nothing like the easy life or opportunities that their American counterparts did and it’s funny that you bring up emigration as that would have been something that has been necessary for every Irish generation.

Essentially you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re just going around calling everyone that doesn’t agree with you a boomer- it’s kinda pathetic and is probably more of a window into why you’re unhappy with how your life has turned out than the actions of anyone else or any other generation.

Sorry but no. It's clear who was childish when you came out with the peggy sue stuff. You started shaking your fist at the sky when you got a whiff of Americanism which was stupid of you to do.
Doubly stupid since the issue is a) rooted in the term for an American phenomenon and b) the same generation age wise caused the crash here so it affects Ireland.

I don't have anger issues, I just dont suffer fools. I am well aware of what I'm talking about here, I haven't seen much evidence that you do. The only insults I used was the exact phrase the thread is about.

Im putting you on ignore now. I never said Ireland had anything to do with wars, im done arguing this irish vs american thing, go out and foot the turf would ya, international issues are clearly beyond your remit.

SafeSurfer

beejee wrote: »

Someone described this as "a movement"

I've had more impactful movements over a toilet bowl.

Typing a few words on twitter or the like means nothing, inspires nothing, and results in nothing.

It's nothing. Talking about nothing, laughing at nothing, debating nothing, agreeing with nothing, disagreeing with nothing, arguing over nothing, wasting your life on empty Internet nothingness. Like me.

I wouldn’t agree with you there. Faux outrage on Twitter has cost people their jobs. It has consequences.

Poor_old_gill

Always Tired wrote: »

Sorry but no. It's clear who was childish when you came out with the peggy sue stuff. You started shaking your fist at the sky when you got a whiff of Americanism which was stupid of you to do.
Doubly stupid since the issue is a) rooted in the term for an American phenomenon and b) the same generation age wise caused the crash here so it affects Ireland.

I don't have anger issues, I just dont suffer fools. I am well aware of what I'm talking about here, I haven't seen much evidence that you do. The only insults I used was the exact phrase the thread is about.

Im putting you on ignore now. I never said Ireland had anything to do with wars, im done arguing this irish vs american thing, go out and foot the turf would ya, international issues are clearly beyond your remit.

Someone proves you wrong and you run away and put your hands over your ears.

As I said maybe you’re being called a snowflake or other some such because you are too childish to take criticism, explain yourself or enter a debate.

It has nothing to do with age, more your behaviour

“Go out and foot the turf”
I worry for someone like you

scamalert

agree with the poster above : A lot of these boomers were former hippies, too, and that makes it even more maddening

like wtf your on about, nothing that relates back to Ireland whatsoever. That word alone sounds like something 10yr old would spout, completely meaningless.

is_that_so

It must be so exciting when social media thinks it's come up with a new idea and just reinvents a childish insult! OK smart arse/ child/granny/mother/grandpa/genius and so on have been around forever.

RWCNT

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

“Frying up bacon”

Is this an Americanism

SJW Lover

Always Tired wrote: »

We are very familiar not only with what ages boomers are, but WHAT they are. They are mostly conservatives, and they are the generation responsible for allowing things like:

-the insane exploitation of sick people by the healthcare companies especially insurance and drug companies

-the ridiculous cost of 3rd level education, while drumming it into the younger generations heads that you need college to get a decent job (which is somewhat the reality, but not totally) and that they should 'follow their dreams. As a result millions are in huge debt yet still can't access these mythical high paying jobs as the boomers still have most of them, having moved into management

-the proliferation of foreign wars for profit

-reducing the accessibility of home ownership, causing people to be stuck renting at high rates with no security of tenure, and likely paying those rents TO a boomer

-turning prisons into a for profit enterprise that are full of non violent drug offenders serving lengthy sentences

-allowing ruthless corporations like Walmart and Amazon to become the largest employers in the nation, where they are paid so little they have to live off food stamps while working, and have no unions, no rights, may not qualify for health insurance depending on hours worked (and believe me, they work it so they give insurance to as few as possible)

And that's without even getting into the climate change stuff. But the ok boomer comes off the back of all that, mainly from the attempts at online discourse from members of that generation on twitter or social media

These attempts fostered a sense of frustration not only from the fact that these ills of modern society were implemented by the boomers, but compounded by that generation's prevailing distancing from the issues and lack of understanding as to why the younger generation is so screwed up now by having to face them. That's why Jordan Peterson got so popular amongst male millennials for a while, he at least made attempts to articulate the challenges and come up with guidance as to how to face them - something many of our parents failed miserably at.

The boomers just don't seem to understand why young people are struggling to cope with what is facing them, especially financially, and it becomes impossible to even decipher if they are actually really that naive and stupid or are wilfully denying the facts to protect their own interests.

This post boomer post gen x generation is the first to be overall in worse shape financially then the generations before them. And when you try to say to one of the older folks how hard things are, they scoff and say, "When I was your age I had 2 kids and a house already. Before that I cut lawns in the summer to pay for my college tuition."

And it doesn't do any good to then show them figures and facts demonstrating how much higher costs of houses and college degrees have risen, and how little wages have risen during the same timespan. When you are stuck working as a barista on a zero hour contract, desperate to get work in the field you studied in and now are in crippling debt as a result, but can't find that better paid work, they will say things like:

"Why don't you go downtown to the head office and ask them if they're hiring?"

It's become increasingly obvious that they just don't want to know any more, and are either oblivious, uncaring or in denial about the struggles of this generation. They think we have it easy because we have the internet and mobile phones, while we would much rather have the spoils THEY have enjoyed since THEY were in their 20s and 30s, like dental care and a secure home.

A lot of these boomers were former hippies, too, and that makes it even more maddening. They went from spouting about peace and love to becoming wealth hoarders and exploiters who have instrumented a substantial widening of the income inequality gap worldwide, and now it's becoming clear that unless the tide turns there won't even be a middle class any more.

But they don't care, or they can't comprehend it, it's one or the other and it's not always clear which it is. So we give up. We just to wait for them to die, and there's no point putting forth any more effort into discourse.

OK boomer?

All of these things will be done by the newest generation as soon as they get into power. They might dress up their capitalism a bit better but, mark my words, all of the above will continue to happen. And, if the newest generations were boomers, they would have done all of the above. Probably less as they would have wasted some of that time pouting for likes on instagram. But more or less the same output.

tuxy

I still don't know what age an Irish person has to be to be considered a boomer.
It's probably because I've read very few pages of this thread.
Can someone tell me?

Plumbthedepths

tuxy wrote: »

I still don't know what age an Irish person has to be to be considered a boomer.
It's probably because I've read very few pages of this thread.
Can someone tell me?

Depends if you are referring to Americans or Irish. The Americans in the late forties to 60's were enjoying an economic boom a surge in living standards. The Ireland of the same time period was a different/ difficult place to live in. Poor living standards high levels of emigration.

is_that_so

tuxy wrote: »

I still don't know what age an Irish person has to be to be considered a boomer.
It's probably because I've read very few pages of this thread.
Can someone tell me?

Boomers are kids born between 1946-1960(maybe up to 1962) , then Gen X up to say mid-eighties, then the millennials and Gen-Z since about the millennium.

Poor_old_gill

tuxy wrote: »

I still don't know what age an Irish person has to be to be considered a boomer.
It's probably because I've read very few pages of this thread.
Can someone tell me?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/baby-boom-past-new-figures-16235489

Irish baby boom seems to have been 1995-2008.

God, I hate those 11 years olds and their uppity ways.

is_that_so

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Depends if you are referring to Americans or Irish. The Americans if the late forties to 60's were enjoying an economic boom a surge in living standards. The Ireland of the same time period was a different/ difficult place to live in. Poor living standards high levels of emigration.

We were probably a decade behind. Less relevant here perhaps but those born in the 50s would share some of the same traits as boomers. For Gen X there may be a few years in it , but the rest are probably much the same.

tuxy

I'm really only interested in how it relates to Ireland
Wasn't there a baby boom in the recession of the 80's but it didn't have a big impact on population as many born at that time later moved to the UK?
I could be a boomer under that description of it.

Rashers Big Log

I personally prefer and use ‘Boomers to Gitmo”

Poor_old_gill

tuxy wrote: »

I'm really only interested in how it relates to Ireland
Wasn't there a baby boom in the recession of the 80's but it didn't have a big impact on population as many born at that time later moved to the UK?
I could be a boomer under that description of it.

If you're a boomer then keep your head down as you have a whole pile of witty comments coming your way.

Also can you explain these "for profit wars" that Ireland has been engaged in?
Why did you do them? where & when did they happen? Just a brief synopsis - dont give me your life story ya boomer

Plumbthedepths

tuxy wrote: »

I'm really only interested in how it relates to Ireland
Wasn't there a baby boom in the recession of the 80's but it didn't have a big impact on population as many born at that time later moved to the UK?
I could be a boomer under that description of it.

I would have thought 91 saw a boom here after Italia 90. This putting labels on a previous generation and blaming them for all lifes ills sounds like whingey bollix to me though.

is_that_so

tuxy wrote: »

I'm really only interested in how it relates to Ireland
Wasn't there a baby boom in the recession of the 80's but it didn't have a big impact on population as many born at that time later moved to the UK?
I could be a boomer under that description of it.

It doesn't matter how many babies. It's a sociological description of the alleged traits of generations born every 20 years or so. Boomers are seen as the first post-war generation.

ErnestBorgnine

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I personally prefer and use ‘Boomers to Gitmo”

Is that an updated "Heavens to Murgatroyd!"??

RWCNT

chrissb8 wrote: »

I didn't buy into any press about my generation. I am one of my generation. I grew up with my generation and I have experienced the pitfalls and setbacks of our generation. From coming out of school around the financial crisis to now dealing with the threat to our environment. My opinions are formulated from life experience. Not someone online or in the paper telling me otherwise.

I'm no entreprenuer or roaring success by any means. But I can appreciate what I have and in the event of what I don't have I know I have to work for it. That seems to escape alot of people in and around my age.

Fair enough, I can't speak to your own experiences - it's certainly a narrative that's harped on frequently in the media, so maybe I'm just not meeting the right (wrong?0) people. I'm also from the millennial generation and the vast majority of people I know within my age group are extremely hardworking and focused. I don't think our generation is any more inclined towards self entitlement or complaining than the ones before or after it.

SJW Lover wrote: »

All of these things will be done by the newest generation as soon as they get into power. They might dress up their capitalism a bit better but, mark my words, all of the above will continue to happen. And, if the newest generations were boomers, they would have done all of the above. Probably less as they would have wasted some of that time pouting for likes on instagram. But more or less the same output.

You've hit the nail on the head there really SJWL.

The idea that "boomers" are responsible for any other generation's present woes and not the bugs/features (depending on how you look at it) of capitalism is totally wide of the mark.

I think most young people realise this though and "OK boomer" is just a snippy internet troll thing which serves it's purpose incredibly well given how much it annoys people. I'll certainly be using it if anyone wants to quote the first part of my post with any chat about socialism, communism, Venuezuela or anything along those lines.

boring accountant

is_that_so wrote: »

We were probably a decade behind. Less relevant here perhaps but those born in the 50s would share some of the same traits as boomers. For Gen X there may be a few years in it , but the rest are probably much the same.

I can say from my experiences that Irish "boomers" are those born after 1960. Half of them left school at 16 and got public service jobs and bought houses in the 80's. 20 years later their net worth was half a million due to the massive increase in the value of their assets which they paid pennies for. They tend to embody the same traits as the American boomers. All of this growth was paid for through the printing of money and borrowing which our generation will have to pay back.

Plumbthedepths

boring accountant wrote: »

I can say from my experiences that Irish "boomers" are those born after 1960. Half of them left school at 16 and got public service jobs and bought houses in the 80's. 20 years later their net worth was half a million due to the massive increase in the value of their assets which they paid pennies for. They tend to embody the same traits as the American boomers. All of this growth was paid for through the printing of money and borrowing which our generation will have to pay back.

You not enjoy any of the benefits of the money you claim your generation will have to pay back?
I remember my parents paying 13per cent interest on their mortgage in the 80's can't remember it being much fun for them. Father worked two jobs , mother worked from 7 to 6 each day.
Stop whinging it's pathetic and serves no purpose.

is_that_so

boring accountant wrote: »

I can say from my experiences that Irish "boomers" are those born after 1960. Half of them left school at 16 and got public service jobs and bought houses in the 80's. 20 years later their net worth was half a million due to the massive increase in the value of their assets which they paid pennies for. They tend to embody the same traits as the American boomers. All of this growth was paid for through the printing of money and borrowing which our generation will have to pay back.

That's probably about right about the age profile although our proximity to Britain dragged us more quickly into modernity, culturally at least, so those who hit adulthood in the late 60s were boomer-like.

silverharp

lol

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1192841711497687040

andekwarhola

Never realized that entire generations act as hive minds and reach a consensus in being completely responsible for even global, corporate and government actions.

This thread is really helpful.

SafeSurfer

boring accountant wrote: »

I can say from my experiences that Irish "boomers" are those born after 1960. Half of them left school at 16 and got public service jobs and bought houses in the 80's. 20 years later their net worth was half a million due to the massive increase in the value of their assets which they paid pennies for. They tend to embody the same traits as the American boomers. All of this growth was paid for through the printing of money and borrowing which our generation will have to pay back.

Is there anything factual in this post at all?

EmmetSpiceland

andekwarhola wrote: »

Never realized that entire generations act as hive minds and reach a consensus in being completely responsible for even global, corporate and government actions.

This thread is really helpful.

I just think it’s great that the, much maligned, “millennials” are hitting back and it’s really landing too.

The old, gammon-faced, snowflakes are a sensitive bunch, it turns out.

andekwarhola

Thank god I'm Gen X which is a far snappier and pleasantly punk rock moniker than Boomer or Millennial. Sucks to be you, chaps.

Poor_old_gill

andekwarhola wrote: »

Never realized that entire generations act as hive minds and reach a consensus in being completely responsible for even global, corporate and government actions.

This thread is really helpful.

You know your folks, probably born in a relatively impoverished Ireland, well they are responsible for Americans wars and also something to do with Walmart.

So have that for yourself