19 years on a provisional licence.

irishgeo

This is what's wrong with Ireland driving laws.

This woman is 19years on a provisional license.

It's also what's wrong with insurance and claims. No win no fee lawyers.

'If you're injured, then I'm injured' - Woman filmed jogging despite €60,000 claim for crash injuries

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/if-youre-injured-then-im-injured-woman-filmed-jogging-despite-60000-claim-for-crash-injuries-38656762.html

alias no.9

She said she is particularly worried as she illegally drives her car unaccompanied without a full licence and is worried other motorists will use this against her if she’s in another crash.

“It’s a big issue. Too many people are doing that. Now for me if I want to drive I have to be careful. I don’t know.

It's amazing how the concept of preparing properly for the driving test and getting a driving licence doesn't register with her as an option.

irishgeo

alias no.9 wrote: »

It's amazing how the concept of preparing properly for the driving test and getting a driving licence doesn't register with her as an option.

She might not have crashed if she knew how to drive. No mention of lessons? Probably can't afford that.

punisher5112

She's 35 oh my dear she looks 60....

u140acro3xs7dm

irishgeo wrote: »

This is what's wrong with Ireland driving laws.

This woman is 19years on a provisional license.

It's also what's wrong with insurance and claims. No win no fee lawyers.

'If you're injured, then I'm injured' - Woman filmed jogging despite €60,000 claim for crash injuries

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/if-youre-injured-then-im-injured-woman-filmed-jogging-despite-60000-claim-for-crash-injuries-38656762.html

I read half of this earlier and had to stop, i got so angry. You should get 2 provisional max, 19 bleeding yearsis a discrace. Why are the insurance companies even covering her?

irishgeo

Layne Raspy Condor wrote: »

I read half of this earlier and had to stop, i got so angry. You should get 2 provisional max, 19 bleeding yearsis a discrace. Why are the insurance companies even covering her?

Money her premium must be huge. Am I correct in assuming that the insurance company wins either way. She is insured great hefty premium.if she is uninsured, the big insurance pool we pay for covers her.

I'm going to email our minister for road safety on this. She is flouting the law and talking about it in the national papers.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I hope Gardai target her for driving unaccompanied and prosecute her. It might teach her a valuable lesson and also to keep her mouth shut in future.

Plumbthedepths

She has been outed as a fraudster then goes on to say she regularly breaks the law. Not really mensa material now is she?

irishgeo

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I hope Gardai target her for driving unaccompanied and prosecute her. It might teach her a valuable lesson and also to keep her mouth shut in future.

Can't they take the car these days.

SCOOP 64

irishgeo wrote: »

Can't they take the car these days.

if your caught the car will be towed, but of course if your caught.

bazz26

Occupational hazard for these people.

In modern day Ireland owning a car and driving are seen as a right/entitlement rather than a privilege. Doesn't matter if you comply with the law or not.

punisher5112

irishgeo wrote: »

Money her premium must be huge. Am I correct in assuming that the insurance company wins either way. She is insured great hefty premium.if she is uninsured, the big insurance pool we pay for covers her.

I'm going to email our minister for road safety on this. She is flouting the law and talking about it in the national papers.

Funny thing is her insurance is probably one of the cheapest.... Not now or won't be if she received points.

The wife was driving for over 6 years on a provisional at the time and she rarely paid more then €350.

punisher5112

It's because of people like her us why everyone should prioritize getting a dash cam.

Notmything

The mere fact that both she and the article refer to her having a provisional licence rather than a learner permit says a lot.

punisher5112

Notmything wrote: »

The mere fact that both she and the article refer to her having a provisional licence rather than a learner permit says a lot.

She would have originally been on one as she is that long on the road.

Wishbone Ash

Notmything wrote: »

The mere fact that both she and the article refer to her having a provisional licence rather than a learner permit says a lot.

....and several posters to this thread! :rolleyes:

fritzelly

The sheer audacity of her - read half the article, the split lines and her attitude did my head in
Should be charged with insurance fraud...

spurious

I suspect the lift may not be going to the top floor there.

She's not alone though. When I sat my test there was a woman on her 11th provisional who told me she takes the test every two years (with no preparation whatsoever) just to keep it valid. No mention of accompanying drivers or anything. No L plates too I noticed. She is probably still out there, still tootling along, still failing.

irishgeo

spurious wrote: »

I suspect the lift may not be going to the top floor there.

She's not alone though. When I sat my test there was a woman on her 11th provisional who told me she takes the test every two years (with no preparation whatsoever) just to keep it valid. No mention of accompanying drivers or anything. No L plates too I noticed. She is probably still out there, still tootling along, still failing.

No other country in the world would allow this.

inforfun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26mT1_QTWRA

I was on the internet and found this....

Took about 4 minutes but there it was..... Guess what.

FishOnABike

irishgeo wrote: »

No other country in the world would allow this.

We don't.

Approx. 1600 cars (200 per month) were seized in the eight months between December and August last for being driven by an unaccompanied driver.

While insurance companies may have pay a third party in the event if an accident, they are increasingly pursuing drivers to recover any costs as they are in breach of their policy conditions and therefore driving uninsured.

The driver can also be prosecuted for driving without insurance.

The car owner can be fined up to €1000 for allowing an unaccompanied learner drive their car or if it was driven without their permission the learner driver can also be prosecuted for taking the vehicle without permission.

highdef

inforfun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26mT1_QTWRA

I was on the internet and found this....

Took about 4 minutes but there it was..... Guess what.

She had a yield sign and drove out into junction with driver approaching from the right being on the major road with no restriction signs. She's clearly in the right and the other driver was in the wrong....... Somehow that's what she thinks! Jesus, she needs to be taken off the road ASAP.

irishgeo

FishOnABike wrote: »

We don't.

Approx. 1600 cars (200 per month) were seized in the eight months between December and August last for being driven by an unaccompanied driver.

While insurance companies may have pay a third party in the event if an accident, they are increasingly pursuing drivers to recover any costs as they are in breach of their policy conditions and therefore driving uninsured.

The driver can also be prosecuted for driving without insurance.

The car owner can be fined up to €1000 for allowing an unaccompanied learner drive their car or if it was driven without their permission the learner driver can also be prosecuted for taking the vehicle without permission.

We only started that recently. Nothing to stop them buying another car and starting driving again the next day.

You shouldn't be able to keep getting it renewed. It should stop after about a 5 failed tests and your issued with a driving instructor only learner permit. Anyone caught driving while not in a driving instructor car should be banned and fined heavily etc.

Because if you fail 5 times you need extra help and learning from father etc isn't going to help.

jobless

why hasnt she been prosecuted for a fraudulent claim?

Kimbot

Story is behind a paywall, anyone have a link to it that isnt behind a pay wall?

inforfun

Not a paywal. Just register and the article will be there.

tabby aspreme

Is this the same lady ? "Esther Hope and Faith Ireland Charity"

Kimbot

inforfun wrote: »

Not a paywal. Just register and the article will be there.

Cheers

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Is this the same lady ? "Esther Hope and Faith Ireland Charity"

From googling, it appears so

seanino

She has a neck like a jockeys b**lox and playing the race card in the video also. Hilarious except its not a joke. Hard to know where to start!

highdef

seanino wrote: »

She has a neck like a jockeys b**lox and playing the race card in the video also. Hilarious except its not a joke. Hard to know where to start!

Ironically, she's being the racist one in all this. Race has not been mentioned anywhere about this case so she's basically saying the white's are out to get her! Now that's racist!!!

mloc123

the most shocking part of that article is that she was filmed jogging... doesn't look like somebody that jogs much

irishgeo

mloc123 wrote: »

the most shocking part of that article is that she was filmed jogging... doesn't look like somebody that jogs much

She claimed she just ran across the road.

But of course the lawyers have copped on to the private dectives in use by the insurance companies are now advising people to tighten up on their social media.

punisher5112

So everyone and everything is racist.....

The cars are racist, the road is racist, the sky is racist, the Irish people are racist.....

Wow what a grade A tool she really is.

Did she come here legally or as an asylum seeker?

Pity she isn't getting her car taken off her each time she drives off in it....


She doesn't seem to know the difference between a yield sign to a stop sign and that she pulled out and hit a car on a main road.

It's of course everybody else's fault though.

DaveyDave

I remember hearing about this the other year, it's no surprise nothing has been done. Maybe we should have an Esther levy on our insurance to pay for her issues.

fritzelly

inforfun wrote: »

I was on the internet and found this....

Took about 4 minutes but there it was..... Guess what.

so this is where the collusion happened...

:rolleyes:

blueshade

She needs to be banned from the roads. She needs to be charged with and prosecuted for insurance fraud and she needs to be forced to pay her fine, I don't care if it takes her the rest of her life to pay it off. She is a liability and the sheer brazen cheek of banging on about how she is the victim, how it hasn't cost her anything and how she isn't going to pay her fine is bloody offensive. The God bothering lunacy is concerning too. Her moral compass is seriously fooked if she thinks it's OK to pursue bogus insurance claims and accuse anyone who disagrees with her of being racist but her ''spiritual father sent her a prophecy'' not to appeal to the High Court.

Ray Palmer

Weird how people use religion in their talk but seem to ignore the teachings. Pretty sure bearing false witness is in the top 10 of no nos.

blueshade

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Weird how people use religion in their talk but seem to ignore the teachings. Pretty sure bearing false witness is in the top 10 of no nos.

Doesn't she have some church of her own? Maybe the donations aren't coming in.

cj maxx

If she's driving unaccompanied illegally, on a provisional licence, does that not invalidate her insurance ?

blueshade

cjmc wrote: »

If she's driving unaccompanied illegally, on a provisional licence, does that not invalidate her insurance ?

Well, she's accused everyone else of being racist so if her insurers refuse to renew her policy she can add them to the list. It's frightening that a person who can't pass a driving test has been driving here for almost 20 years and intends to keep on doing so. It's supposed to be illegal for unaccompanied learner to drive alone let the Gardai and Courts don't seem interested that she's breaking the law.

Wibbs

blueshade wrote: »

It's supposed to be illegal for unaccompanied learner to drive alone let the Gardai and Courts don't seem interested that she's breaking the law.

Bad for the optics if they arrest a Black woman. If she were White I'd bet the farm it wouldn't have gotten this far, unless she was a member of the Travelling community. Or am I being cynical? Maybe, but I can't see any other good reason when you have someone openly admitting to breaking the law and continuing to break the law in an Irish court of law and off she toddles.

Wibbs

spurious wrote: »

I suspect the lift may not be going to the top floor there.

Aye S, I watched the vid and have to agree with you, she isn't the brightest bulb in the box.

topper75

Wibbs wrote: »

Bad for the optics...

Can you Wibbs, or any other denizen of our noble capital, confirm that the Irish statue of Justice does not have a blindfold like her British counterpart?
And should we read into that?:P

The Satanist

A hyper-religious Nigerian fraudster? Well I never!

blueshade

Wibbs wrote: »

Bad for the optics if they arrest a Black woman. If she were White I'd bet the farm it wouldn't have gotten this far, unless she was a member of the Travelling community. Or am I being cynical? Maybe, but I can't see any other good reason when you have someone openly admitting to breaking the law and continuing to break the law in an Irish court of law and off she toddles.

There's a lot of that going on where I live, especially with the women. As you say the optics of arresting a Black woman don't look good, just like the optics of arresting other ethnic minorities. This is where the whole argument for equality falls apart, equality for all is a good thing to aspire to, the problem is as soon as an ethnic minority is held accountable for wrongdoing the racism card is played.

punisher5112

We are literally absolutely fcuked.....

Eric Cartman

Wibbs wrote: »

Bad for the optics if they arrest a Black woman. If she were White I'd bet the farm it wouldn't have gotten this far, unless she was a member of the Travelling community. Or am I being cynical? Maybe, but I can't see any other good reason when you have someone openly admitting to breaking the law and continuing to break the law in an Irish court of law and off she toddles.

no, youre correct. All of our civil service are too terrified of the race card.

Like lets call a spade a spade here, anyone driving round dublin regularly sees absolutely insane illegal manoeuvres with a middle aged black woman alone at the wheel and L plates up and nobody seems to be doing anything about it. Ive called in atleast 6-7 incidents to gardai and have seen the cars roaming round dangerously again, same deal.

tayto lover

There are thousands upon thousands of people driving on our roads every day who have never passed a driving test. It’s scary.
Why are the insurance companies covering them?
They have a responsibility to ensure that motorists produce full licenses when applying for insurance.

PostWoke

punisher5112 wrote: »

She's 35 oh my dear she looks 60....

She's been 35 for 19 years too.

I really don't like how immigrants come in and flout the fcking law like it was put in place for no reason. So little respect is paid to our country by immigrants. Remember that story of all those polish lads getting pulled over and their name being taken down as the polish for 'driving license'... :rolleyes:

blueshade wrote: »

She needs to be banned from the roads. She needs to be charged with and prosecuted for insurance fraud and she needs to be forced to pay her fine, I don't care if it takes her the rest of her life to pay it off. She is a liability and the sheer brazen cheek of banging on about how she is the victim, how it hasn't cost her anything and how she isn't going to pay her fine is bloody offensive. The God bothering lunacy is concerning too. Her moral compass is seriously fooked if she thinks it's OK to pursue bogus insurance claims and accuse anyone who disagrees with her of being racist but her ''spiritual father sent her a prophecy'' not to appeal to the High Court.

100% all of this.

You see, 'god' is, for many many people, just a personal superhero people use to tell them their fckery is ok. Just like this lady.

tossy

PostWoke wrote: »

She's been 35 for 19 years too.

I really don't like how immigrants come in and flout the fcking law like it was put in place for no reason. So little respect is paid to our country by immigrants. Remember that story of all those polish lads getting pulled over and their name being taken down as the polish for 'driving license'... :rolleyes:

I know loads of people on their umpteent provisional and not one of them is an immigrant.

punisher5112

tossy wrote: »

I know loads of people on their umpteent provisional and not one of them is an immigrant.

Great