Not Kerr again

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2019 6:44pm #1

Aaah c’mon tuned in tonight and I heard the whine.

Why?

Surely they have better..

Hodors Appletart · 23-10-2019 7:37pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Aaah c’mon tuned in tonight and I heard the whine.

Why?

Surely they have better..

you are 100percent in the wrong on this one i'm afraid me aul shegosha

brian kerr is one of the most knowledgeable people in irish football.

Azatadine · 23-10-2019 7:38pm

Yeah, I'm a fan of Kerr too.

RobbingBandit · 23-10-2019 7:40pm

At least it's not Ronnie Whailin

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2019 7:49pm

Lads .... please.... the guy would tear the head off you.

Mind you,the fella with the hair doing the co commentary on the Liverpool game is t a whole lot better.

Surely the can get less annoying pundits.

extra gravy · 24-10-2019 7:31pm

You're hardly one to talk about whining...how many anti Kerr threads have you posted at this stage? Most people when they don't like something, ignore it and get on with their day. You should try it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 24-10-2019 7:32pm

Kerr is great.

Beechwoodspark · 24-10-2019 7:35pm

OP.

You’re hardly John Delaney are ya

Brendan Bendar · 24-10-2019 8:01pm

I heard the whine

I turned it off.

I took your advice, lads.

Mushy · 24-10-2019 8:05pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I heard the whine

Started another thread on Boards

I turned it off.

I took your advice, lads.

Missed a step there

Arghus · 24-10-2019 10:17pm

Ah the usual Brendan anti-Kerr thread.

You're still wrong. Kerr is the man.

lertsnim · 25-10-2019 2:34am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I heard the whine

I turned it off.

I took your advice, lads.

And you'll be back the next time whinging about him again.

Optimalprimerib · 25-10-2019 5:47am

Brian Kerr should be the 1st pick for co-commentator for rte ahead of Houghton and Whelan. He is so random at times with the quirky information he has.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 6:08am

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Brian Kerr should be the 1st pick for co-commentator for rte ahead of Houghton and Whelan. He is so random at times with the quirky information he has.

In my opinion that would be the death knell for RTEs soccer coverage.

I have nothing personal against Mr Kerr, but to give him mic time especially in a co-com position,in my opinion, would be disasterous.

I often wonder what this ‘quirky information’ is and how it enhances commentary.

Houghton and Whelan are no great shakes either, having a less than smooth familiarisation with the English language.

At least one could switch off panel discussions but as a co commentator the game would be unwatchable and unlistenable to.

Will not be a runner, I feel.

Hodors Appletart · 25-10-2019 8:01am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

having a less than smooth familiarisation with the English language.

quite

gimli2112 · 25-10-2019 8:07am

I'm sure he said of a Spurs defender in the CL final that his granny could run faster. Couldn't see it online but did find one where he accused the ref of picking on Fellaini because of his hair.
I can laugh at these because he also knows what he's talking about footballwise.

mattser · 25-10-2019 8:11am

extra gravy wrote: »

You're hardly one to talk about whining...how many anti Kerr threads have you posted at this stage? Most people when they don't like something, ignore it and get on with their day. You should try it.

Great post gravy.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 8:35am

gimli2112 wrote: »

I'm sure he said of a Spurs defender in the CL final that his granny could run faster. Couldn't see it online but did find one where he accused the ref of picking on Fellaini because of his hair.
I can laugh at these because he also knows what he's talking about footballwise.

Aaah... the ‘auld solth of dee eeeeart’ stuff.

Mmmm... well if that’s a plus for you,fair enough.

Wouldn’t be my bag though, I leave that for the local bar.

But I’m not trying to insulting, if there are folk who enjoy that in commentary, that’s ok, but not for this poster.

Hodors Appletart · 25-10-2019 8:38am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

But I’m not trying to insulting.

yes, you are

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 8:53am

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

yes, you are

In your opinion, apologies if it came across that way to you.

It puzzles me that folk seem to be able to throw serious shade at people like Ryan Tubridy, Ray D’Arcy, Pat Kenny etc and there is little defense, yet, throw a bit of criticism onto Brian Kerr and there is a pushback straight away.

Interesting to analyse that response, especially when the criticism is well founded, for a lot of people.

Strange...

frosty123 · 25-10-2019 2:55pm

Brian is great...any chance he could be ROI manager again

NuttyMcNutty · 25-10-2019 3:05pm

Lucky it's not that over pronunciation fella Keith Andrews.

Arghus · 25-10-2019 5:34pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

In your opinion, apologies if it came across that way to you.

It puzzles me that folk seem to be able to throw serious shade at people like Ryan Tubridy, Ray D’Arcy, Pat Kenny etc and there is little defense, yet, throw a bit of criticism onto Brian Kerr and there is a pushback straight away.

Interesting to analyse that response, especially when the criticism is well founded, for a lot of people.

Strange...

You get pushback because your reasons for disliking Kerr are silly - his accent, pronunciation and sometimes eccentric turn of phrase - and consistently ignore his football knowledge, perceptive analysis and genuine love for the game - he doesn't have that same level of low level bitterness about the modern game that afflicts other pundits - that make Kerr the absolute best at what he does.

mattser · 25-10-2019 5:39pm

Arghus wrote: »

You get pushback because your reasons for disliking Kerr are silly - his accent, pronunciation and sometimes eccentric turn of phrase - and consistently ignore his football knowledge, perceptive analysis and genuine love for the game - he doesn't have that same level of low level bitterness about the modern game that afflicts other pundits - that make Kerr the absolute best at what he does.

All of which are perfectly acceptable, unlike mangled and made up words to make one sound witty.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 6:36pm

Arghus wrote: »

You get pushback because your reasons for disliking Kerr are silly - his accent, pronunciation and sometimes eccentric turn of phrase - and consistently ignore his football knowledge, perceptive analysis and genuine love for the game - he doesn't have that same level of low level bitterness about the modern game that afflicts other pundits - that make Kerr the absolute best at what he does.

I’ll have to be honest with you, I have never heard any “perceptive analysis” from Mr Kerr.

If comments about players hair and stuff is perceived as perceptive analysis, then fair enough, that’s your bag, fine.

It’s not mine, my friend.

Arghus · 25-10-2019 6:44pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I’ll have to be honest with you, I have never heard any “perceptive analysis” from Mr Kerr.

If comments about players hair and stuff is perceived as perceptive analysis, then fair enough, that’s your bag, fine.

It’s not mine, my friend.

Those little comments that he's fond of when co commentating are just a tiny part of Kerr's many charms. He tends not to indulge in those as much, if at all, when working as an analyst in studio.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 6:52pm

Arghus wrote: »

Those little comments that he's fond of when co commentating are just a tiny part of Kerr's many charms. He tends not to indulge in those as much, if at all, when working as an analyst in studio.

I’m afraid I’ll have to take your word for that, lost on this poster, I’m sorry to say.

It’s a sudden switch off, if I hear the whine,sorry ‘bout that, sahib.

Arghus · 25-10-2019 7:03pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I’m afraid I’ll have to take your word for that, lost on this poster, I’m sorry to say.

It’s a sudden switch off, if I hear the whine,sorry ‘bout that, sahib.

Maybe that's the problem right there. That sudden switch off. You should try listening, just once anyway, you might be surprised that if you listen to the content - rather than the accent - that he is good.

You've said it yourself that there's always pushback about what you say about Kerr whenever you resurrect the thread about him. Think about that: this is Boards, absolutely full of haters and yet anything Kerr related always has the vast majority of posters coming to his defence.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 7:07pm

Arghus wrote: »

Maybe that's the problem right there. That sudden switch off. You should try listening, just once anyway, you might be surprised that if you listen to the content - rather than the accent - that he is good.

You've said it yourself that there's always pushback about what you say about Kerr whenever you resurrect the thread about him. Think about that: this is Boards, absolutely full of haters and yet anything Kerr related always has the vast majority of posters coming to his defence.

And I appreciate that, Kerr does indeed have a following, and fair play to them for expressing their opinion.

Is it anti the Bren or pro Mr Kerr one wonders.

I’m almost afraid to ask

Arghus · 25-10-2019 7:16pm

Pro Kerr I would say. You're just in the wrong about Kerr, someday you'll see the light.

I think you should listen to him on co-commentary duties just once and if you still absolutely can not stand him afterwards, then fire ahead and get the next iteration of this thread running.

At least then we can say your hatred is coming from experience and has been hard earned - as opposed to now where it just comes across as kneejerk and lame.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 7:30pm

Arghus wrote: »

Pro Kerr I would say. You're just in the wrong about Kerr, someday you'll see the light.

I think you should listen to him on co-commentary duties just once and if you still absolutely can not stand him afterwards, then fire ahead and get the next iteration of this thread running.

At least then we can say your hatred is coming from experience and has been hard earned - as opposed to now where it just comes across as kneejerk and lame.

That’s your opinion dude, and stop using the word ‘ hatred’ it just puts one into the ‘bitter and twisted’ chair, unable to understand others point of view without developing a froth- mouthed attitude.

dasdog · 25-10-2019 7:32pm

Kerr is an excellent pundit and commentator. He adores the game and aside from his existing knowledge he always puts in his homework. You'll hear him talk before a match for example about a winger playing for a lesser known team in Europe and how he is looking forward to seeing the link up play and the recent form of the player. Or if a similar team is winning say a low key Europa league game and a player comes off "We'll they do have a big derby match coming up back home next weekend so no surprise there".

Arghus · 25-10-2019 7:47pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

That’s your opinion dude, and stop using the word ‘ hatred’ it just puts one into the ‘bitter and twisted’ chair, unable to understand others point of view without developing a froth- mouthed attitude.

Oh c'mon, we're being very civil to each other, don't resort to ad hominen - you should be able to stick up for your arguments a bit better than that. My mouth remains unmoved.

Maybe I've mischaracterised your feelings about Kerr. Would strong dislike be more accurate? You have started multiple threads about the man, expressing a strong and - some would say - irrational dislike - so it can be hard to get the semantics absolutely right.

Brendan Bendar · 25-10-2019 8:02pm

Arghus wrote: »

Oh c'mon, we're being very civil to each other, don't resort to ad hominen - you should be able to stick up for your arguments a bit better than that. My mouth remains unmoved.

Maybe I've mischaracterised your feelings about Kerr. Would strong dislike be more accurate? You have started multiple threads about the man, expressing a strong and - some would say - irrational dislike - so it can be hard to get the semantics absolutely right.

Sorry, my friend, I have been very civil up to when I was subjected to abuse.

I have no dislike for Mr Kerr as a person, it’s the professional realm I criticize,and criticize fairly.

I fully accept some may like the product, but I don’t, and have said so, as I have repeated quite often.

Putting forward the use of colloquialisms as proof of good punditry is, for me , a cop out, it’s a grab at a certain audience for whom that kind of presentation resonates with .

It doesn’t with me, and I’m good with that.

Arghus · 25-10-2019 8:30pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Sorry, my friend, I have been very civil up to when I was subjected to abuse.

I have no dislike for Mr Kerr as a person, it’s the professional realm I criticize,and criticize fairly.

I fully accept some may like the product, but I don’t, and have said so, as I have repeated quite often.

Putting forward the use of colloquialisms as proof of good punditry is, for me , a cop out, it’s a grab at a certain audience for whom that kind of presentation resonates with .

It doesn’t with me, and I’m good with that.

Abuse? Are you really that thin skinned. The poster doth protest too much methinks.

I don't agree that you criticise Kerr fairly. You have suggested strongly - in fact you've stated explicitly - that you don't actually listen to him and switch him off whenever your hear his voice or his "whine", as you would put it. That leaves you ill equipped to critique his merits or otherwise and makes your somewhat arbitrary grievances against his capabilities in the "professional realm" appear flimsy and without any real foundation. Dyaknoworrimean?

His use of colloquialisms is far from the only aspect of Kerr's modus operandi that posters have mentioned in his defence in this thread, but if you want to persist - despite evidence to the contrary - that this is the only thing people enjoy about his commentary style, then, fair enough, I guess.

Although it would appear that to compliment your unwillingness to actually listen to Kerr, you've also developed an unwillingness to actually read through your own thread.

Optimalprimerib · 26-10-2019 6:59am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

In my opinion that would be the death knell for RTEs soccer coverage.

I have nothing personal against Mr Kerr, but to give him mic time especially in a co-com position,in my opinion, would be disasterous.

I often wonder what this ‘quirky information’ is and how it enhances commentary.

Houghton and Whelan are no great shakes either, having a less than smooth familiarisation with the English language.

At least one could switch off panel discussions but as a co commentator the game would be unwatchable and unlistenable to.

Will not be a runner, I feel.

You don't like him, I do. As a pundit, he's ok, but he shines as a co-commentator.

Brendan Bendar · 26-10-2019 7:39am

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

You don't like him, I do. As a pundit, he's ok, but he shines as a co-commentator.

As I keep saying, as a person I’m sure he’s a fine man, it’s his presentation style I do not like.

As a co-commentator I think he is way too intrusive, annoying, way too gobby and whiney, and goes on far too long.

That’s my opinion, nothing against the man personally, but I prefer a more muted,more in synch co commentary where the c/com comes in in small inserts at minor breaks in play.

I feel over egging the colloquialisms is extremely annoying and much prefer some genuine reaction comments rather than coming out with

“Shourah giviner a good dunnth” kind of rubbish.

Not for me, compadre.

Hodors Appletart · 26-10-2019 8:50am

it's a bit of snobbery too, I'd say. Because he doesn't have an English or fake English accent like some, he gets stick.

He knows more about football than anyone else in this country, does his research on the teams playing, and uses his experience to give exceptional insight into what he's commenting on. Far better than stealing a living and coming out with dated platitudes and wishy washy non-comments, at the end of the day there.

So what if he has a strange turn of phrase. Snobbishness, as I've said.

Mr E · 26-10-2019 8:54am

I think it's Brendan vs. everyone here.

Any reason to keep this thread open?

mattser · 26-10-2019 8:56am

Mr E wrote: »

I think it's Brendan vs. everyone here.

Any reason to keep this thread open?

Absolutely none compadre, sahib........

Brendan Bendar · 26-10-2019 9:06am

No reason.

I defended my position, whilst watching the rugby, great commentary from Hugh and Donal, in synch, calm, and your head isn’t melted at the end of it.

I’m happy with whatever happens the thread, but feel there is no harm or ulterior motive in airing opinions like this.

Brendan Bendar · 19-11-2019 9:11am

Hopefully on topic, heard a lad Paul Corry on RTE radio sports excerpt this am analyzing the Denmark game last night.

Came across as very concise,articulate,informed,and easy to listen to.

Think I heard he was x Shamrock Rovers.

Some broadcaster could do worse than to sign him up.

Might be a good change from what we have to put up with.