Is Organised Child Trafficking in America for Real?

Spencerfreeman

References to the 'game caller' and 'The Stroller' also refer to Marion Pettie.

References to the 'two school teachers' arrested in the van vary. The have different names given. In court reports the are called "Douglas Ammerman" and "James Holwell".
WaPo identified Both as "Douglas E. Ammerman" and "Michael Houlihan"

References to the two mothers are identified as "Kirstin Knauth" and "Pat Livingston"

Overheal

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

References to the 'game caller' also refer to Marion Pettie.

References to the 'two school teachers' arrested in the van vary. The have different names given. In court reports the are called "Douglas Ammerman" and "James Holwell".
WaPo identified Both as "Douglas E. Ammerman" and "Michael Houlihan"

References to the two mothers are identified as "Kirstin Knauth" and "Pat Livingston"

“The Pope” “Kelly Clarkson” “Duran Duran” “George Soros” “Tommy Robinson” “Donald Trump” “Peter Schaefer” “Bob Sagat” “Ted Bundy” “Sonic the Hedgehog” and “Lois Lerner”

Connect the dots people!

Spencerfreeman

Overheal wrote: »

“The Pope” “Kelly Clarkson” “Duran Duran” “George Soros” “Tommy Robinson” “Donald Trump” “Peter Schaefer” “Bob Sagat” and “Lois Lerner”

Connect the dots people!

ohh, touchy.
That will get some bot hits, thanks.

Do you need page numbers to confirm the truth from the FBI doc?

Proof for "game caller" name below.

St. Petersburg Times Sunday Feb 14th 1987

Pettie, 66, founded the organization in the late '60s or early '70s,

Finders members include former editors, lawyers, accountants and professors, says Ann Reiss, a Reston, Va., housewife who says she has known Finders members for several years.

Most of the time, Shapley says, Marion Pettie acts as Game Caller.He has not been available for comment since the arrests."He is one of the eccentrics of our time, a totally benevolent and benign man," Shapley says. "He's like a character out of Alice in Wonderland. I think he can be the Mad Hatter sometimes, and I think he can be the Rabbit sometimes, and sometimes the Red Queen. He has kind of a twinkle in his eye all the time." The trek to Florida Sometimes the Game Caller sends the Finders on what they call "adventures."

Overheal

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

ohh, touchy.
That will get some bot hits, thanks.

Do you need page numbers to confirm the truth from the FBI doc?

I just ask you would post coherently is all. It’s a discussion site.

Spencerfreeman

The confirmation and expansion on some details can be found in the official FBI document linked to in an earlier post.
What you are about to read had been confirmed as a Satanic Child Sex abuse ring.
This is what the WaPo reported then.

"Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.

According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918-20 W St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents. According to the affidavit, the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety."

The person killing the animals was referred to as "Stan". Add a letter yourself.

Spencerfreeman

Overheal wrote: »

I just ask you would post coherently is all. It’s a discussion site.

Howzat, no umbrage taken. Thanks.

Dohnjoe

Here's the link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/02/07/officials-describe-cult-rituals-in-child-abuse-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/

Sounds like a cult. Haven't bothered to look much into it but a cursory search is showing that conspiracy theorists have really run with this one

Spencerfreeman

Overheal wrote: »

“The Pope” “Kelly Clarkson” “Duran Duran” “George Soros” “Tommy Robinson” “Donald Trump” “Peter Schaefer” “Bob Sagat” “Ted Bundy” “Sonic the Hedgehog” and “Lois Lerner”

Connect the dots people!

Why don't you spend your time in a better fashion and read the FBI report that you are suggesting is fantasy?

Spencerfreeman

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here's the link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/02/07/officials-describe-cult-rituals-in-child-abuse-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/

Sounds like a cult. Haven't bothered to look much into it but a cursory search is showing that conspiracy theorists have really run with this one

That is all they were allowed to have, which is confirmed by the FBI.

Spencerfreeman

Are you all actually that callous that you don't care about the sexual abuse and murder of children?

Spencerfreeman

Ted Gunderson FBI bureau chief RIP said;


It has TOP CLEARANCE and PROTECTION in its ASSIGNED task of kidnapping and torture-programming young children throughout the US. Members are specially trained GOVERNMENT KIDNAPPERS known to be sexual degenerates who involve children in Satanic sex orgies and bloody rituals as well as murders of other children and slaughter of animals."

TaurenDruid

Links. Some basis for naming those you have done. Anything like, y'know, actual *evidence*?

Spencerfreeman

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Links. Some basis for naming those you have done. Anything like, y'know, actual *evidence*?

Start with the major FBI one, you know actual *evidence*
https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders/the-finders-part-01-of-01/view?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Ask Donhjoe to get you the link to this story which I posted above and see what they've changed?

Washington Post Feb 7th 1987

Ipso

Gunderson definitely seems like a lucid source.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2009/08/29/secret-camps-and-guillotines-groups-make-birthers-look-sane/

Spencerfreeman

Ipso wrote: »

Gunderson definitely seems like a lucid source.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2009/08/29/secret-camps-and-guillotines-groups-make-birthers-look-sane/

I think the FBI are a better source.
Gunderson explained who was out to destroy him and named them.
I'l probably post a link to a talk he gave on the subject, but it doesn't just relate to this story which is confirmed by the FBI as having been a CIA operation which therefor confirms his assertion.
There is a reference to a school in Ca. mentioned in the report with tunnels on p49 which Gunderson actually examined himself before the they knocked it down. People of course chose to disbelieve him due to malicious propaganda similar to what you have linked to.

Now that I think of it, he's probably one of the redacted names. I'll probably figure out which one but it's a hard slog.

Spencerfreeman

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”
– Edward Bernays (“the father of public relations”), Propaganda, 1928

Dohnjoe

Would you reckon this goes all the way to the Clintons..

Treppen

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I think the FBI are a better source.
Gunderson explained who was out to destroy him and named them.
I'l probably post a link to a talk he gave on the subject, but it doesn't just relate to this story which is confirmed by the FBI as having been a CIA operation which therefor confirms his assertion.
There is a reference to a school in Ca. mentioned in the report with tunnels on p49 which Gunderson actually examined himself before the they knocked it down. People of course chose to disbelieve him due to malicious propaganda similar to what you have linked to.

Now that I think of it, he's probably one of the redacted names. I'll probably figure out which one but it's a hard slog.

Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
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Same way pizzagate is going.

Ipso

Treppen wrote: »

Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
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Same way pizzagate is going.

Of course not, it was another character assassination on Gunderson's pure character.

Spencerfreeman

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would you reckon this goes all the way to the Clintons..

There are many similarities to the type of groups and technologies used that their friend Epstien was involved with so it could be possible.

Spencerfreeman

Treppen wrote: »

Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
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Same way pizzagate is going.

The name is on p49. could be I don't know. There was a court case that Ted talked about where I think that was talked about. They escaped conviction.

Spencerfreeman

Ipso wrote: »

Of course not, it was another character assassination on Gunderson's pure character.

Is there something that we should know?

Spencerfreeman

Ipso wrote: »

Of course not, it was another character assassination on Gunderson's pure character.

That's a scummy smear on a very brave dead man.

Dohnjoe

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

There are many similarities to the type of groups and technologies used that their friend Epstien was involved with so it could be possible.

So you reckon it's possible that the ex President of the United States and his wife, the 2016 Democratic party election candidate were possibly involved in satanic child abuse

Spencerfreeman

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So you reckon it's possible that the ex President of the United States and his wife, the 2016 Democratic party election candidate were possibly involved in satanic child abuse

I see you aren't familiar with Jeffery Epstien.

banie01

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So you reckon it's possible that the ex President of the United States and his wife, the 2016 Democratic party election candidate were possibly involved in satanic child abuse

Well that's not what he's saying...
He is laying out a trail of bread crumbs all leading in that very direction and rather than actually laying out his own thoughts on the matter
He seems to be engaging in some weak attempt at inception.
Maybe if we follow his trail and figure it out for ourselves?
It will be truer???

Dohnjoe

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I see you aren't familiar with Jeffery Epstien.

Familiar with Epstein. Also with Jimmy Saville, who was friends with a lot of people.

I knew this thread was pizzagate when it started

Spencerfreeman

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Familiar with Epstein. Also with Jimmy Saville, who was friends with a lot of people.

I knew this thread was pizzagate when it started

You will be delighted to know when this story broke they called it Goatgate.

I didn't know that Bill and Hilary knew Jimmy Savile, do tell.

Ipso

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

That's a scummy smear on a very brave dead man.

I invoke Poe’s law.

Spencerfreeman

Ipso wrote: »

I invoke Poe’s law.

Is that reading comprehension?
I can recommend someone to help.