Paying for sex

dvdman1

dvdman1 wrote: »

My point is the slow decline of any sort of morals as a society at whole.

I think your point suggests that you think there is a slow decline of YOUR morals rather than any sort of morals.

GirlOnFire100

Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.[/QUOTE]


If you think being a sex worker means just open your legs, u know nothing about this job, and most probably you are a woman. I will not be surprised if your husband cheats you if u think it is all about just open the legs )) Guys visit girls for many many reasons, and not all are related with open their legs. Some have fantasies they cant talk/discuss with their wifes like strap on, fisting, role-plays where you boss them around, some like to be teased, touched and need a bit of attention they don't get home , some young lads are shy and need a company of a woman and someone to make their feel good about themselves and gain confidence , there are so many reasons which of course u cant know form outside. Don't pretend u are expert in things u never has done it or came across before. If your opinion is based only on newspapers articles, then let me tell u: u are far from the truth. Media is a great tool to control people minds and brainwashed them. Many of us, sex workers chose willingly to do this job, and why not? U have freedom, u have money, u meet people, u explore fantasies, what's wrong with that?

dvdman1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think your point suggests that you think there is a slow decline of YOUR morals rather than any sort of morals.

Says the sex paying euthanasiast lol

dvdman1

dvdman1 wrote: »

Says the sex paying euthanasiast lol

In favour of:

• Legalising prostitution to minimise the negative effects of the sex trade on both the prostitute and their clients.
  
• Legalising euthanasia in certain cases to minimise suffering

Sounds absolutely appalling. I should be ashamed of myself.

Really?

Grow up and perhaps use your words to get your point across rather than childish jibes.

dvdman1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really? That's what you have gotten from my posts on this?

Grow up and perhaps use your words to get your point across rather than childish jibes.

You agree in principle on both prostitution and euthanasia being legal...why wouldn't you act on these principles you believe in?
A real case of closet curb crawler.

Biodegradable

tea and coffee wrote: »

I really couldn't begin to equate sex with food, water and shelter on a hierarchy of needs....

But porn? Do they say 40% of the internet is porn?

Biodegradable

KaneToad wrote: »

The danger is that those selling are not doing so freely.

escortsirelnad?

dvdman1

dvdman1 wrote: »

You agree in principle on both prostitution and euthanasia being legal...why wouldn't you act on these principles you believe in?
A real case of closet curb crawler.

I agree with lots of things being legal. Some of which I partake in, some of which I don't. Do you get married to people of the same sex and then use abortion services regularly? If not, do you think they should be illegal?

Feisar

Andreas77 wrote: »

Before I met ex-wife I organised with about thirty women for sex through old-fashioned classifieds (paper magazine). Activities involved doggy style, deep throat, ass-to-mouth, scooping, doctor/nurse roleplay, sex in multi-storey carpark, natural history museum, sex toys, dilation, ass play, mutual masturbation, double edge dildos. Typically these women were between thirty five and forty five, many attractive, a few grizzled ones. I was in mid twenties and never before I had seen so many shaking booties and boobies and toys except in the movies.

What’s scooping??!

EmmetSpiceland

Feisar wrote: »

What’s scooping??!

I believe, if I’m not mistaken, it’s an old Eastern European “act” involving household items, such as scoops, used to look into female “parts”.

Feisar

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I believe, if I’m not mistaken, it’s an old Eastern European “act” involving household items, such as scoops, used to look into female “parts”.

Ah, see a vid one time but it was a speculum being used.

Loafing Oaf

Feisar wrote: »

What’s scooping??!

like felching only done with the hand

possibly...

The_Brood

dvdman1 wrote: »

My point is the slow decline of any sort of morals as a society at whole...maybe in the future, a career guidance might suggest that!... and under Irelands slow declining path they may very well get away with encouraging this.

In this "personal choice decides everything" society, sure we'll have Drs suggesting Euthanasia of the old parents who cant talk, get your inheritance quicker yeee.

So many choices isn't life wonderful were all so grown up and adult like.

Yep. It is the slow abandonment of not just morals but civilization itself really. The mockery and disdain for any kind of self-control and pursuit of matters non-material. It is a slow degradation back to the caveman era, where only thing that matters is your physical needs.

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@girl on fire


Yeah, the first part is a very good point in regards to male and female sex. I don't want to be too harsh, but women as passive partners (on an emotional and physical level) can be a little bit of a problem in healthy sex relationships.



The second bold is also something that I agree with. It can be a safe space to explore fantasies and experience intimacy and 'explore' a person. Perhaps somebody with certain issues could 'take back their power' so to speak.



I wouldn't go to one though. I like being desired/devoured and, perhaps, having the sexual power so to speak

Montage of Feck

dvdman1 wrote: »

Its you thats projecting your mortality, last time i checked prostitution is illegal here. Your train of though only encourages more of this....of the countries that have legalised it they have seen an increase...prostitution doesnt offer anything positive to irish society

It already here and has been for quite some time.

Hotblack Desiato

The_Brood wrote: »

Yep. It is the slow abandonment of not just morals but civilization itself really. The mockery and disdain for any kind of self-control and pursuit of matters non-material. It is a slow degradation back to the caveman era, where only thing that matters is your physical needs.

lozenges

I find the idea of prostitution distasteful, but that does not mean it should be banned. People should have the right to do as they want with their bodies (including euthanasia, btw).
The main issue with it as present, as another poster has pointed out, is that there is no way to determine currently whether a prostitute someone visits falls into the category of 'happy hooker' (fine), desperate eg drug issues (exploitative but not rape) or trafficked (rape). And the prostitute/sex worker is certainly not going to tell you.

Montage of Feck

Moral decline? What utter claptrap! We are after coming from a place where a veneer of false morality and religiousity hid numerous disgusting outrages, where those deemed to be "immoral" had no rights while the hypocrites in positions of power could do as they like.

dotsman

lozenges wrote: »

I find the idea of prostitution distasteful, but that does not mean it should be banned. People should have the right to do as they want with their bodies (including euthanasia, btw).
The main issue with it as present, as another poster has pointed out, is that there is no way to determine currently whether a prostitute someone visits falls into the category of 'happy hooker' (fine), desperate eg drug issues (exploitative but not rape) or trafficked (rape). And the prostitute/sex worker is certainly not going to tell you.

Hence, you make it legal and regulate it.

SoupMonster

lozenges wrote: »

I find the idea of prostitution distasteful, but that does not mean it should be banned. People should have the right to do as they want with their bodies (including euthanasia, btw).
The main issue with it as present, as another poster has pointed out, is that there is no way to determine currently whether a prostitute someone visits falls into the category of 'happy hooker' (fine), desperate eg drug issues (exploitative but not rape) or trafficked (rape). And the prostitute/sex worker is certainly not going to tell you.

Not always true. I met a Nigerian woman in a bar in Dubai who told me she was trafficked, even pointed out her pimp (another woman).

riclad

Every country has escorts, sex worker,s ,
see prohibition in america against selling Alcohol in the 30,s .
making it illegal drives it underground and gives more money to crinimal
gangs.
the use of drugs, and excess drinking cause,s more suffering to society
than a few adults who wish to pay for sex.
We don,t need to re invent the wheel,
in holland escorts are registered ,they pay tax, brothel,s are legal.
I don,t think theres a lot of women being trafficked to holland .
The industry can be regulated as in other countrys .
Smoking and drinking too much is a choice ,
and likely to more dangerous to your health than visiting an prostitute .

corner of hells

riclad wrote: »

Every country has escorts, sex worker,s ,
see prohibition in america against selling Alcohol in the 30,s .
making it illegal drives it underground and gives more money to crinimal
gangs.
the use of drugs, and excess drinking cause,s more suffering to society
than a few adults who wish to pay for sex.
We don,t need to re invent the wheel,
in holland escorts are registered ,they pay tax, brothel,s are legal.
I don,t think theres a lot of women being trafficked to holland .
The industry can be regulated as in other countrys .
Smoking and drinking too much is a choice ,
and likely to more dangerous to your health than visiting an prostitute .

Prostitution was legalized is Holland about 20 years and now Dutch authorities are considering debating banning it again , trafficking is still regarded as a huge problem and lots of people simply don't want their country associated with sex tourism.

anewme

39 people died in the back of a truck as result of trafficking.

RIP.

lozenges

dotsman wrote: »

Hence, you make it legal and regulate it.

Which is what I suggested in a earlier post on this thread.

corner of hells

dotsman wrote: »

Hence, you make it legal and regulate it.

So , let's hence it , make it legal and regulate it .

Would you expect everyone working in the industry to register and become tax compliant overnight ? For the of me I just can't see the average working girl wanting to register as a prostitute and nevermind pay tax , could you ? Bearing in mind a lot of those who enter the industry are doing it because of being short of money.

Would it lead to more trafficking? Would you allow a pimp , who are known for violence, extortion etc just become legal overnight.


Where were you would you want prostitution/ brothels be located? Do you want sex tourism in your town ?

Who's going to regulate the industry?

dvdman1

lozenges wrote: »

Which is what I suggested in a earlier post on this thread.

As ive said earlier every jurisdiction that has legalised it have seen an increase in prostitution and related activies.
You dont just make the prostitutes legal you also make the pimps legal, they may describe themselves as business owners and pay tax but many are manipulative and theres countless accounts of coercion that happens behind closed doors.
It doesnt add anything to society if anything it sexualises it more..do we want gangs of english lads coming to dublin in the future purly for a sex holiday? I say no

partyguinness

The_Brood wrote: »

Yep. It is the slow abandonment of not just morals but civilization itself really. The mockery and disdain for any kind of self-control and pursuit of matters non-material. It is a slow degradation back to the caveman era, where only thing that matters is your physical needs.

Rubbish. Prostitution has been around since time immemorial and always will be with us whether you like it or not.

What do they say about it being the oldest profession?

Sex is the very definition of satisfying physical needs.

dvdman1

partyguinness wrote: »

Rubbish. Prostitution has been around since time immemorial and always will be with us whether you like it or not.

What do they say about it being the oldest profession?

Sex is the very definition of satisfying physical needs.

Murder has been around, rape has been around since forever..that doesnt mean our principles have to be watered down just to suit these peoples sexual gratification...it'll be around forever of course and agreed it wont be stopped... but legalising something only gives a green light, go look at the data from holland.

dvdman1

dvdman1 wrote: »

Murder has been around, rape has been around since forever..that doesnt mean our principles have to be watered down just to suit these peoples sexual gratification...it'll be around forever of course and agreed it wont be stopped... but legalising something only gives a green light, go look at the data from holland.

As a matter of interest, were you for or against the legalisation of abortion?

partyguinness

dvdman1 wrote: »

Murder has been around, rape has been around since forever..that doesnt mean our principles have to be watered down just to suit these peoples sexual gratification...it'll be around forever of course and agreed it wont be stopped... but legalising something only gives a green light, go look at the data from holland.

What good are principles? As I said it has been around forever it has made no difference.

There is no 'one size fits all' solution grounded in principle. We have to accept that it exists (it does not mean you have to agree with it- I don't) and a pragmatic solution grounded in reality is needed. The same goes for drug use. I personally abhor abortion 'in principle' but I have accept the reality that it exists.