ESB eCars pricing introduction

charlieIRL

unkel wrote: »

That a newer model eGolf? I'd have thought it could do 193km mostly on a still sunny warmish day like today no problem without charging if there's not much 120km/h driving going on. Bit disappointing. I thought the eGolf was more efficient than that. Ioniq (with pretty much the same WLTP range) could have done that no bother and I'd say the Leaf 40 too and the previous model i3 94Ah and also current Zoe 40

Yupp, it’s brand new. It’s too new to know what exactly I’m getting out of it but am averaging 15.7kWh/100kms so far.

unkel

Yeah that average is consistent with not having enough range for those trips or it being really tight. And it probably doesn't help that you don't know the car well yet. Presuming there wasn't much 120km/h driving going on, that consumption is a bit disappointing for an eGolf for driving on a glorious day like today (but still better than a lot of other EVs like any Leaf or Zoe)

charlieIRL

No 120kph driving at all. Max was 110 for a few minutes, rest was about 80/90kph.

I can’t complain though, I done an awful lot of driving today and hadn’t fully charged it since Friday night. I should have started out today at 100% but I didn’t expect all the DC chargers to be broke occupied. Once I got the Ionity working (from the other thread they were all down for a period of time) it was a pleasure to drive.

ELM327

September1 wrote: »

He has to wait 1 hour but probability of that happening is now 50+% lower as charger is now less occupied, this savings made by Kona driver are passed to other drivers as they cannot charge during his plugging&parking&session starting time. Overall chargers might be getting better utilization.

That's the ideal, yes
However we will wait to see what charging for charging brings. I can tell you something though, I'm getting back into an EV shortly for the first time in 6 months and I can guarantee whatever route planning I do for longer trips will revolve around Ionity, superchargers, or easygo! At least until the situation improves.

unkel wrote: »

Some people will argue that Northern Ireland hasn't been free for 800 years :pac:

That's as touchy a subject as the drag queen I saw once in a (thankfully) west belfast bar, Chucky Orlaith.

BigAl81

From an ESB ecars Facebook post I see fees are now coming in "later this year".

Ha, how many times have they announced this now??

ELM327

BigAl81 wrote: »

From an ESB ecars Facebook post I see fees are now coming in "later this year".

Ha, how many times have they announced this now??

It's been that since 2015
Hopefully Ionity and easygo (and others) blow them out of the water

BigAl81

ELM327 wrote:

It's been that since 2015 Hopefully Ionity and easygo (and others) blow them out of the water

I've my first Ionity trip planned tomorrow. I can't wait to give them my 8 euro!!

Gmac78

Commercially 50kw will be the standard for the next 5 years until infrastructure becomes less cost prohibitive. This allows 100km in 20 minutes. From a cost viewpoint it will be tiered - €0.35 per kw up to 80% battery and increases after this. Once at 100% expect another increase.
Fast chargers (175kw - 475kw) will charge more per kw due to less time at the unit and also increase cost per kw after a certain time / usage.

Also note that Chademo will only charge up to 100kw.

BigAl81

Gmac78 wrote:

Commercially 50kw will be the standard for the next 5 years

Commercially today Ionity provide 150Kw charging at multiple locations across Ireland!

liamog

Funding was provided to eCars for an expansion this year, they tendered for the equipment

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

More info in this thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057952790

innrain

I've noticed that ecars app and the website listing all fast chargers except one as available. Would it be upgrade related?

unkel

BigAl81 wrote: »

Commercially today Ionity provide 150Kw charging at multiple locations across Ireland!

350kW even!

ELM327

Gmac78 wrote: »

Commercially 50kw will be the standard for the next 5 years until infrastructure becomes less cost prohibitive. This allows 100km in 20 minutes. From a cost viewpoint it will be tiered - €0.35 per kw up to 80% battery and increases after this. Once at 100% expect another increase.
Fast chargers (175kw - 475kw) will charge more per kw due to less time at the unit and also increase cost per kw after a certain time / usage.

Also note that Chademo will only charge up to 100kw.

62.5kW at 500v is the max


350kW is already available commercially for CCS
This is why Chademo is dead

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

62.5kW at 500v is the max


350kW is already available commercially for CCS
This is why Chademo is dead

I just wish CCS was as reliable as Chademo.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

This is why Chademo is dead

Also there is only one EV you can buy left that still uses CHAdeMO. Maybe that's why it is dead

Black_Knight

Seems the time is neigh. Finally!!

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

Seems the time is neigh. Finally!!

??
Has there been an announcemenT?

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

??
Has there been an announcemenT?

Soon (like, the next couple of days maybe) I believe.

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

Soon (like, the next couple of days maybe) I believe.

:DAs with Brexit, it's always coming soon!

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

:DAs with Brexit, it's always coming soon!

Ha. It'll be before brexit! Not that that gives and clearer an indication

dloob

Black_Knight wrote: »

Soon (like, the next couple of days maybe) I believe.

Isn't there some EV summit thing Thursday with the minister and head of ecars at it?
Probably a good chance for a photo op for them along with any announcement. Maybe throw in repeating some details of the expansion plans with a big map in the background to get on the tv news.

slicedpanman

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1023/1085054-esb-ev-charging/

No mention of overstay charge, just price per kwH

Black_Knight

slicedpanman wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1023/1085054-esb-ev-charging/

No mention of overstay charge, just price per kwH

Yup. Pricing is about what people expected, but the lack of an overstay charge is disappointing.

postsnthing

slicedpanman wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1023/1085054-esb-ev-charging/

No mention of overstay charge, just price per kwH

Really expensive, more than France and other eu countries not much of an incentive over Diesel pricing especially when you consider the extortionate car and time to charge pricing making EVs unsuitable for long trips. Very disappointing

DrPhilG

So roughly (half 7 semi conscious calculations)...

To charge from 10-80%:

Leaf 24 about €4.90
Leaf 30 about €6.25
Leaf 40 about €8.30
BMW i3 94ah about €6.70
Kona/e-Niro/Leaf 64 about €13.90

I'm not too bothered by the costs. Partly because I do a fair bit of my public charging either at standard chargers or in the North (no fee there for now).

But the lack of an overstay fee is a disgrace. Unless it just hasn't been announced yet.

Goldmark

I think that the cost of charging will work without an overstay charge to free up the existing Fast Charging Network. I have been to the Ionity chargers 4-5 times and being the only one charging. I was there for 30-40 minutes each time. I expect major change of behaviour come end of November.

zg3409

Goldmark wrote: »

I think that the cost of charging will work without an overstay charge to free up the existing Fast Charging Network. I have been to the Ionity chargers 4-5 times and being the only one charging. I was there for 30-40 minutes each time. I expect major change of behaviour come end of November.

Overstay fees probably will be announced Thursday at EV summit.

If you read the RTE piece they say the 150kw chargers from esb will be more expensive again. Ionity may actually be far cheaper in many cases. Typically ionity is fixed 8 euro for as much as you can take, but with a maginau card or app on ionity it is 40c per kWh to use ionity. So for very small fill ups at say Cashel esb will be cheapest. For large cars the fixed 8 euro is best

Black_Knight

postsnthing wrote: »

Really expensive, more than France and other eu countries not much of an incentive over Diesel pricing especially when you consider the extortionate car and time to charge pricing making EVs unsuitable for long trips. Very disappointing

Unless of course you charge at home! :rolleyes:

DrPhilG wrote: »

So roughly (half 7 semi conscious calculations)...

To charge from 10-80%:

Leaf 24 about €4.90
Leaf 30 about €6.25
Leaf 40 about €8.30
BMW i3 94ah about €6.70
Kona/e-Niro/Leaf 64 about €13.90

I'm not too bothered by the costs. Partly because I do a fair bit of my public charging either at standard chargers or in the North (no fee there for now).

But the lack of an overstay fee is a disgrace. Unless it just hasn't been announced yet.

I don't expect anything to be announced either.

I expect even higher pricing when esb start installing faster fast chargers (150kW for example). With Ionity (maingau) charging 40c for a kWh at 150kW chargers there not much room for Ecars to be competitive, especially when most cars out there can't charge near that speed.

adunis

I'm still holding out a little hope for an overstay fee.....

ELM327

Delighted with this!