President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

mcmoustache

johnmc76 wrote: »

They've been having inquiries since the night he won. Anybody with sense can see this a waste of time. If they're so sure he committed an impeachable offense then vote or piss off.

That's not how it works though. There's a process of investigation and then putting together the articles of impeachment. It would be premature to vote now, given the circumstances.

Overheal

johnmc76 wrote: »

Want to know how that is bull****? Because if he did obstruct justice then they would have voted to begin impeachment proceedings instead of posturing about it. Its like how they keep claiming he's a tyrant yet they want American citizens to turn their guns over to him.

Except that he did obstruct justice, and they did not vote to begin impeachment proceedings; namely because the GOP refuses to believe the evidence in front of them, including efforts in broad daylight to kill the special counsel investigation of himself and a multitude of attempts to hide evidence from Congress.

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

chaffetz was sure they'd subpoena hunter biden if they had the power but they cant? my understanding anyway

Nothing would stop the Senate from doing this yesterday. They just want to complain loudly and publicly about the 'sham' in the house.

y0ssar1an22

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's not how it works though. There's a process of investigation and then putting together the articles of impeachment. It would be premature to vote now, given the circumstances.

does doug collins have the power to investigate?

mcmoustache

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

if leo asked the uk government to investigate mary lou (for example) for alleged wrong doing, we'd be creaming ourselves to congratulate him, transparency, etc. is this unique to american politics or what?

Maybe. Around the world, it would be frowned upon but maybe not illegal in all places. It's totally illegal in the States, however, which is where the president from the thread title happens to reign.

y0ssar1an22

its kinda mad, that even in ireland the whole thing is so divisive

y0ssar1an22

mcmoustache wrote: »

Maybe. Around the world, it would be frowned upon but maybe not illegal in all places. It's totally illegal in the States, however, which is where the president from the thread title happens to reign.

and i suppose the follow up question is, is joe biden a political rival? would be instructive to hear that definition

mcmoustache

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

does doug collins have the power to investigate?

I don't see why not.

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

does doug collins have the power to investigate?

He doesn't chair or sit on any committee so no.

1800_Ladladlad

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Zelenskyy in that transcript clearly knows he's talking to the king, the pope of narcissists, and he is grovelling and flattering as hard as he can.

Another 'Orange man bad'.

mcmoustache

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

and i suppose the follow up question is, is joe biden a political rival? would be instructive to hear that definition

Well, yes. Trump doesn't like Sleepy Joe Biden. He has nicknames for him and everything. And Warren. That's another one.

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

if leo asked the uk government to investigate mary lou (for example) for alleged wrong doing, we'd be creaming ourselves to congratulate him, transparency, etc. is this unique to american politics or what?

Campaign finance law: you can't solicit anything of value from foreigners in relation to an election. Dirt on a primary candidate, much less a leading one, qualifies.

If Mary Lou was running for Leo's job and Leo asked the UK to investigate Lou based on scurrilous rumors I really don't think people would be creaming to congratulate him.

y0ssar1an22

Overheal wrote: »

He doesn't chair or sit on any committee so no.

I thought he was the main Republican member of that committee

mcmoustache

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Another 'Orange man bad'.

HAHA! Absolutely hilarious and original stuff there. Go on, say NPC.

1800_Ladladlad

Cody montana wrote: »

It's like an extreme religion, this is how they behave.
Trump is their god and must not be questioned.

This is like something off of Tumblr.

y0ssar1an22

Overheal wrote: »

Campaign finance law: you can't solicit anything of value from foreigners in relation to an election. Dirt on a primary candidate, much less a leading one, qualifies.

If Mary Lou was running for Leo's job and Leo asked the UK to investigate Lou based on scurrilous rumors I really don't think people would be creaming to congratulate him.

What about money?

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

I thought he was the main Republican member of that committee

My b,

United States House Committee on Rules
United States House Committee on the Judiciary
Subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property and the Internet
Subcommittee on Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
Subcommittee on Federal Workforce, U.S. Postal Service and the Census
Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Job Creation and Regulatory Affairs

He could certainly petition one of his committees to issue a subpoena, sure. He doesn't have unilateral power to do so (frankly neither do Nadler or Schiff, etc. afaik about House Rules)

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

What about money?

Money has value.

johnmc76

Overheal wrote: »

Except that he did obstruct justice, and they did not vote to begin impeachment proceedings; namely because the GOP refuses to believe the evidence in front of them, including efforts in broad daylight to kill the special counsel investigation of himself and a multitude of attempts to hide evidence from Congress.

BULL****. The Democrats have control of the House. They have more than enough votes to begin impeachment proceedings.

y0ssar1an22

Overheal wrote: »

Money has value.

as in any donation from a foreign actor should be investigated?

you can't solicit anything of value from foreigners in relation to an election.

mcmoustache

johnmc76 wrote: »

BULL****. The Democrats have control of the House. They have more than enough votes to begin impeachment proceedings.

There has to be hearings and investigations before the vote. You wouldn't order food from a menu without first understanding what you were ordering.

mcmoustache

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

as in any donation from a foreign actor should be investigated?

you can't solicit anything of value from foreigners in relation to an election.

Precisely. That's why Giuliani's assistants were arrested yesterday. They take it seriously over there. If they didn't, the US would no longer be independent and instead would be a vassal state of the highest bidder.

y0ssar1an22

mcmoustache wrote: »

There has to be hearings and investigations before the vote. You wouldn't order food from a menu without first understanding what you were ordering.

would you let everyone else at the table look at the menu as well though? it seems only 1 side are allowed to do that

y0ssar1an22

mcmoustache wrote: »

Precisely. That's why Giuliani's assistants were arrested yesterday. They take it seriously over there. If they didn't, the US would no longer be independent and instead would be a vassal state of the highest bidder.

so if joe biden was in receipt of any overseas donations, the US government are within their rights to investigate him?

Overheal

johnmc76 wrote: »

BULL****. The Democrats have control of the House. They have more than enough votes to begin impeachment proceedings.

Which is again fruitless if the GOP is not on board or even receptive to it. Thus the raison d'etre of the impeachment inquiry is to pile on more damaging discoveries much to the point where Republicans cannot continue to deny them.

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

as in any donation from a foreign actor should be investigated?

you can't solicit anything of value from foreigners in relation to an election.

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

would you let everyone else at the table look at the menu as well though? it seems only 1 side are allowed to do that

Odd way to look at it, given that for 2 years Democrats have not been given access to piles of redacted evidence relating to Trump. The drama surrounding the Nunes/Schiff memos should have made this point clear. In short, Republicans didn't mind it when they thought they were the only ones that would have hands on the menu - that's when the House flipped.

y0ssar1an22

Overheal wrote: »

i wonder does that supersede not being allowed to investigate other politicians

y0ssar1an22

Overheal wrote: »

Odd way to look at it, given that for 2 years Democrats have not been given access to piles of redacted evidence relating to Trump. The drama surrounding the Nunes/Schiff memos should have made this point clear. In short, Republicans didn't mind it when they thought they were the only ones that would have hands on the menu - that's when the House flipped.

is schiff not a proven liar?

Overheal

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

so if joe biden was in receipt of any overseas donations, the US government are within their rights to investigate him?

Yes of course.

Keep in mind the situation has already been investigated both in the Ukraine and the US and Biden wasn't found culpable in anything. Also keep in mind that nowhere in that stretch of time was Biden doing any political campaigning afaik, and he did not enter the race in 2016.