Churchlands Delgany Development

Cluster

awec wrote: »

I leave Greystones around 8am, do a creche dropoff and hit Sandyford at about 8:45/8:50. If I don't do the creche dropoff you can take 10 mins off that.

This is good, isnt it?

Cluster

ellejay wrote: »

I often wonder would there be demand for a private bus to the luas.

Wouldnt the bus hit the same traffic? i like how you think though. Looking at Bus to secondary school for youngest, 50 quid a week pickup and drop off

2011

Cluster wrote: »

I moved here from Harolds Cross, traffic also pretty bad. Point being, traffic bad everywhere on certain routes, not confined to Greystones.

Nobody has suggested that traffic issues are confined to anywhere.

What we have in Greystones is a traffic issue that will get exponentially worse as an enormous amount of new homes are built on every available square inch of land in the area. The only plan seems to be to deal with the traffic issue when it gets completely out of hand and when we are at the point that there is nothing we can do about it. You would think that we would have learned from the past where bad or no planning can get us. I wouldn’t be a fan of the build quality or design of Charlesland, but at least they put descent roads through it as part of the overall development plan.

I drop the kids off to school and I dont see traffic. I know its bad elsewhere

What time is that at and why school?
Somehow I think this lack of traffic will be short lived, enjoy it while you can.

Annasopra

ellejay wrote: »

My partner leaves Charlesland at 7.20 and arrives Brewery road Sandyford about 8.30.
But any bit of rain at all and forget it.

I often wonder would there be demand for a private bus to the luas.

The 84 goes to the luas

loyatemu

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The 84 goes to the luas

not for much longer - it's gone under Busconnects.

ellejay

awec wrote: »

70 minutes seems really long for that journey. Google suggests ~45 mins leaving at that time, even allowing for it being underestimated it's still a long way off 70 mins.

Just checked with him, leaves closer to the 7.30 side than the 7.20
Comes out at the Farrenkelly road exit onto the N11.
He used to take the Delgany exit but road is dreadful and gone very busy.

Cluster

2011 wrote: »

Nobody has suggested that traffic issues are confined to anywhere.

What we have in Greystones is a traffic issue that will get exponentially worse as an enormous amount of new homes are built on every available square inch of land in the area. The only plan seems to be to deal with the traffic issue when it gets completely out of hand and when we are at the point that there is nothing we can do about it. You would think that we would have learned from the past where bad or no planning can get us. I wouldn’t be a fan of the build quality or design of Charlesland, but at least they put descent roads through it as part of the overall development plan.

Would you build roads first, then houses?

2011 wrote: »

What time is that at and why school?
Somehow I think this lack of traffic will be short lived, enjoy it while you can.

Run through village about 8 am, just after. Drop Mrs to DART then drop kids off, they start 830

cocker5

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Wow this thread exploded.

On Churchlands, we decided not to buy there for a few reasons

1. Wood Group tend to build more dense estates, Charlesland and Seagreen as examples. Narrower roads, and more tightly packed houses.

2. The entrance to Churchlands will be via Delgany Glen not the Delgany Road next to Laurences.

3. Mix of private and social housing compared to other estates

4. Maintenance charge

5. Slope of houses and aspects on sale

6. Proximity to some 'problem' estates

All of the above are personal preferences, everyone has a feel for where they will be happy.

Eastmount is coming along nicely too but the proposed road improvements will not alleviate the massive load of traffic everyday.

A month into the autumn/winter drive to Sandyford and traffic already feels heavier than last year. 13 crashes on the N11 already this year.

Both incorrect... woods didn't build Charlesland... nor will the main entrance be via Delgany glen... it will be a single lane road into Delgany glen

loyatemu

cocker5 wrote: »

Both incorrect... woods didn't build Charlesland... nor will the main entrance be via Delgany glen... it will be a single lane road into Delgany glen

the entrance is clearly via Delgany Glen on the plans https://churchlandsdelgany.ie/site-plan/.

I believe there will be an entrance beside Laurence's eventually when the the next phase is built.

AineJ

awec wrote: »

This "blow-in" nonsense shows you up for what you really are. You've a superiority complex, as if you've more right to be here than anyone else, or that you can somehow speak on behalf of the town.

And yes, I have got a school place for my child, and yes I commute to Dublin every morning. There are more houses going in, traffic will get worse, but people need places to live, so they'll build houses.

As for infrastructure, the Eastmount development, which is beside this Churchlands one, includes upgrading Chapel Road, so traffic will no longer go past the school. The road will be widened, with cycle lanes in both directions. There are plans for the N11 to be widened as far as Greystones. There are plans for the Bus Connects which will come as far as Greystones. People need to give it time before they start with the dramatics.

But you can always leave, if it's as terrible for you as you're telling us.

Thanks so much for this comment!

awec

loyatemu wrote: »

the entrance is clearly via Delgany Glen on the plans https://churchlandsdelgany.ie/site-plan/.

I believe there will be an entrance beside Laurence's eventually when the the next phase is built.

Interesting site plan, things look nicely spaced out IMO.

Only thing I'd be wary of is the creche at the back of the development is going to result in a lot of traffic in mornings and evenings going by peoples front door.

el Fenomeno

awec wrote: »

Interesting site plan, things look nicely spaced out IMO.

Only thing I'd be wary of is the creche at the back of the development is going to result in a lot of traffic in mornings and evenings going by peoples front door.

Numbers 73 to 75 will have a lot of people doing u-turns outside their home!

awec

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Numbers 73 to 75 will have a lot of people doing u-turns outside their home!

Yea.

That said, there's a chance the creche never gets built anyway. Wood Group have planned creches before and not built them in the end.

cocker5

loyatemu wrote: »

the entrance is clearly via Delgany Glen on the plans https://churchlandsdelgany.ie/site-plan/.

I believe there will be an entrance beside Laurence's eventually when the the next phase is built.

very odd considering it reduces to a single lane.. one car only at that point.. you can see it on the map.... doesn't make any sense.. I have the WCC plans they submitted to WCC and it states main entrance will be at Lawrence's

cocker5

awec wrote: »

Yea.

That said, there's a chance the creche never gets built anyway. Wood Group have planned creches before and not built them in the end.

The road will open up for phase two opposite those houses

recedite

I see the Building Regs changed today. Near Zero is the next big thing, so the spec of these is outdated already.
Speaking of which, the website says they all have solar thermal panels (which are old hat) but the photo shows Solar PV panels, which would be better.
Which is it?

https://churchlandsdelgany.ie/specification/

2011

recedite wrote: »

I see the Building Regs changed today. Near Zero is the next big thing, so the spec of these is outdated already.

These homes have an A2 BER rating. Once you improve on that the law of diminishing returns applies.

Speaking of which, the website says they all have solar thermal panels (which are old hat) but the photo shows Solar PV panels, which would be better.
Which is it?

The photo does not show PV panels. PV panels are connected to cables, not pipes.

recedite

2011 wrote: »

PV panels are connected to cables, not pipes.

Ya don't say :pac:

mccartas

recedite wrote: »

I see the Building Regs changed today. Near Zero is the next big thing, so the spec of these is outdated already.
Speaking of which, the website says they all have solar thermal panels (which are old hat) but the photo shows Solar PV panels, which would be better.
Which is it?

https://churchlandsdelgany.ie/specification/

The brochure states Churchlands will achieve the new NZEB standards.

recedite

mccartas wrote: »

The brochure states Churchlands will achieve the new NZEB standards.

The printed brochure? A brochure is not a legally binding document, it is a marketing prop.
The development would not be required to meet new NZEB standards because the building is already underway. Its possible the builder volunteered to be the first builder in the country to build to future standards, but unlikely.


In any case, a house with a fossil fuel boiler and solar thermal panels, as per the website spec, would be unlikely to pass the 2010 building regs, let alone the new NZEB ones.

awec

recedite wrote: »

The printed brochure? A brochure is not a legally binding document, it is a marketing prop.
The development would not be required to meet new NZEB standards because the building is already underway. Its possible the builder volunteered to be the first builder in the country to build to future standards, but unlikely.


In any case, a house with a fossil fuel boiler and solar thermal panels, as per the website spec, would be unlikely to pass the 2010 building regs, let alone the new NZEB ones.

Nonsense.

The houses in Seagreen, that Churchlands is pretty much an exact replica of, all have thermal solar panels and gas boilers.

recedite

awec wrote: »

Nonsense.

The houses in Seagreen, that Churchlands is pretty much an exact replica of, all have thermal solar panels and gas boilers.

Probably the same then. I made a comment on that thread.
I never actually set foot inside a Seagreen house though. Have they got the solar powered radiator at the top of the stairs?
A guy came up with that idea a good few years ago as a workaround for compliance with the 2010 regs. Yes, there are some days in Ireland when there is enough heat in the sun to heat all your hot water plus the radiator. And there are days when you want your heating on. But those days rarely coincide. So while it may work on paper (with a bit of mathematical trickery) its not so good in real life.

How are those solar powered radiators doing today, on a typical dull November day when you want the radiator to be on?
You're not going to get anywhere near NZEB compliance with that trick.

Anyway, still a good house compared to Charlesland and all the old Greystones housing stock.

awec

recedite wrote: »

Probably the same then. I made a comment on that thread.
I never actually set foot inside a Seagreen house though. Have they got the solar powered radiator at the top of the stairs?
A guy came up with that idea a good few years ago as a workaround for compliance with the 2010 regs. Yes, there are some days in Ireland when there is enough heat in the sun to heat all your hot water plus the radiator. And there are days when you want your heating on. But those days rarely coincide. So while it may work on paper (with a bit of mathematical trickery) its not so good in real life.

How are those solar powered radiators doing today, on a typical dull November day when you want the radiator to be on?
You're not going to get anywhere near NZEB compliance with that trick.

Anyway, still a good house compared to Charlesland and all the old Greystones housing stock.

Yea they have that radiator. It's no use in the winter.

Generally, in the summer you will never use your gas boiler, and in the winter you'll use it for both heating and water, though you will not need it on much.

The J Stands for Jay

loyatemu wrote: »

further south it's likely to be some minor junctions being closed,

I wish they'd get working on this bit now. I reckon it'd make a difference.

Cheeseplant

Hi All,
Those that have bought recently can you tell me if you have needed to have your current house sold/ be sale agreed at time of booking the house?
The last time we went looking at new houses in 2016 they were very particular about having our house sale agreed or sold despite not being able to guaranteed when they would be issuing contracts...

Cluster

Cheeseplant wrote: »

Hi All,
Those that have bought recently can you tell me if you have needed to have your current house sold/ be sale agreed at time of booking the house?
The last time we went looking at new houses in 2016 they were very particular about having our house sale agreed or sold despite not being able to guaranteed when they would be issuing contracts...

If its Woods then this will apply. I had to have this in place for my house in Seagreen

Cerco

Cluster wrote: »

If its Woods then this will apply. I had to have this in place for my house in Seagreen

IMHO this type of decision is taken by the estate agents rather than the developer alone. Either way it makes little difference.
Best of luck Op.

Cluster

Cerco wrote: »

IMHO this type of decision is taken by the estate agents rather than the developer alone. Either way it makes little difference.
Best of luck Op.

possibly yes.

Cheeseplant

Cluster wrote: »

possibly yes.

Thank you both

lfen

Anyone buy in the first phase? Looking to get an idea of when the first phase is due to be completed.

Thanks

thenewguys

We both a semi d in the first phase, and were told August/September for completion although all seems to be moving very slowly, especially when you look at Eastmount...

awec

thenewguys wrote: »

We both a semi d in the first phase, and were told August/September for completion although all seems to be moving very slowly, especially when you look at Eastmount...

Eastmount is timber frame, these are block, so they'll be slower.

thenewguys

awec wrote: »

Eastmount is timber frame, these are block, so they'll be slower.

Thanks for that info

lfen

Didn’t realise Eastmount were timber frame. Thanks for that. Prices are extortionate in Eastmount. €470k for a 3 bed!

Cheeseplant

lfen wrote: »

Didn’t realise Eastmount were timber frame. Thanks for that. Prices are extortionate in Eastmount. €470k for a 3 bed!

Were Eastmount launched? Where did you see a price list and can you post same ? thanks

lfen

Cheeseplant wrote: »

Were Eastmount launched? Where did you see a price list and can you post same ? thanks

I had registered on eastmount.ie and got a call to say they were going on sale earlier than expected, Dec 11th. They gave me the pricing over the phone so can’t share, sorry.

Would be interested to know how many sold so if you get any info you might share? Thanks!

awec

lfen wrote: »

Didn’t realise Eastmount were timber frame. Thanks for that. Prices are extortionate in Eastmount. €470k for a 3 bed!

Nothing wrong with timber frame really.

470 for 3 bed is high though even by Greystones prices. I think the Churchlands houses were about 430 for a 3 bed.

Did they give you floor area sizing or anything?

thenewguys

awec wrote: »

Nothing wrong with timber frame really.

470 for 3 bed is high though even by Greystones prices. I think the Churchlands houses were about 430 for a 3 bed.

Did they give you floor area sizing or anything?

Sherry set up a portal just google Eastmount and floor plans are available

awec

thenewguys wrote: »

Sherry set up a portal just google Eastmount and floor plans are available

You got a link? I googled but can't find floor plans and the eastmount.ie website is just filler content.

I did find though that they are 120 sqm, so they're only slightly bigger (5sqm) than the larger 3 beds in Churchlands.

lfen

You’ll get info via the portal at eastmount.sherryfitz.ie

Cheeseplant

lfen wrote: »

I had registered on eastmount.ie and got a call to say they were going on sale earlier than expected, Dec 11th. They gave me the pricing over the phone so can’t share, sorry.

Would be interested to know how many sold so if you get any info you might share? Thanks!

I'm also registered on eastmount site and got no notification that they were going on sale!

awec

Cheeseplant wrote: »

I'm also registered on eastmount site and got no notification that they were going on sale!

They may have only contacted the first x people on the list.

Cheeseplant

lfen wrote: »

You’ll get info via the portal at eastmount.sherryfitz.ie

registered but no info on pricelist. can you post the 4 bed price please?

lfen

Cheeseplant wrote: »

registered but no info on pricelist. can you post the 4 bed price please?

I had only asked about a 3 bed, sorry. They will give you pricing if you call I’m sure.

cunnifferous

lfen wrote: »

I had only asked about a 3 bed, sorry. They will give you pricing if you call I’m sure.

What are they quoting for a 3 bed if you dont mind me asking?

Also they seem to have a large number of house variants. I'm seeing 10!?

lfen

cunnifferous wrote: »

What are they quoting for a 3 bed if you dont mind me asking?

Also they seem to have a large number of house variants. I'm seeing 10!?

470k for a 3 bed!!

cunnifferous

lfen wrote: »

470k for a 3 bed!!

Very strong money, especially considering the 435k price of churchfield down the road in a better location. Interested to see how they sell

2011

The boom is back baby! What could possibly go wrong??

Rockford1

thenewguys wrote: »

We both a semi d in the first phase, and were told August/September for completion although all seems to be moving very slowly, especially when you look at Eastmount...

Any update on how things are progressing? Are the foundations down yet? Hopefully they will be completed on time given the weather hasn't been too bad

lfen

Popped down last weekend and can’t see any clear progress since we visited two months ago.