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oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

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    #572
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    alastair wrote: »
    It’s a well-known fact that the only outgoings in life are food and shelter. Clothes, hygiene, transport etc are all free for everyone. ��

    Thats tough. Theyve a roof over their head and food in their belly. They should be thankful for that.


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    #573
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    enricoh wrote: »
    The red herring! Jesus wept, talk about living in a bubble, they are the highest number applying nowadays

    Great. And still none of them are African or Middle Eastern - which are the specific regions the ‘not racist’ poster alluded to.


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    #574
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    Thats tough. Theyve a roof over their head and food in their belly. They should be thankful for that.

    That doesn’t do you much good when you need a pair of shoes or tampons.


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    #575
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    alastair wrote: »
    That doesn’t do you much good when you need a pair of shoes or tampons.

    luckily the vast vast majority are 18-30 year old men so


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    #576
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    alastair wrote: »
    That doesn’t do you much good when you need a pair of shoes or tampons.

    They'd be getting all essentials that they need from charities. Id say those hotels are well set up for them.


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    #577
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    My take.

    The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP? What are the state doing to facilitate an influx of up to 250 people? What about the local primary school? Could it take more students? Those issues I actually agree with and the fact that the state is going quietly about this and giving the locals no reassurances would annoy me too.

    However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely no proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.


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    #578
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Irelsnd is only few countries in Europe never to have had a right wing Lot in Government.


    But yes we are all secret Fascists.........


    Fasciste ?? Getting emotional there


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    #579
    The_Kew_Tour
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    Fasciste ?? Getting emotional there

    If you're going to do it, get it right yourself :cool:


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    #580
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    jackboy wrote: »
    Irish people are not racist in general. If you hate your country that is your right, however keep the rest of us out of this self hatred.

    Big jump there little Jackieboy .And the post what have you say about that ?


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    #581
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Faugheen wrote: »
    My take.

    The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP? What are the state doing to facilitate an influx of up to 250 people? What about the local primary school? Could it take more students? Those issues I actually agree with and the fact that the state is going quietly about this and giving the locals no reassurances would annoy me too.

    However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely not proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.

    In fairness its not just the usual suspects saying hes right as you put it, quite a few people agree with him. He was cheered by the people at that meeting. 700 people attended. Im sure there are quite a few other country towns whos people would also agree with him


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    #582
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,381 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Achebe wrote: »
    I'd prefer not to name it, but there's a direct provision centre in my hometown and another just a few miles away.

    Well if you said you canvassed with Loughnane you must be in Galway.


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    #583
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    In fairness its not just the usual suspects saying hes right as you put it, quite a few people agree with him. He was cheered by the people at that meeting. 700 people attended. Im sure there are quite a few other country towns whos people would also agree with him

    Because it was rabble-rousing, scare-mongering bollocks.

    People will shout loudest no matter what as long as their stance on wanting them or not wins. It was the same in my home town, initially concerns were raised about the availability of facilities and access, but it was completely forgotten about and descended into a farce because one person made a claim of which they had no proof of, but it suited the low-key racists in the area that just didn’t want them.


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    #584
    Homelander
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely no proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.


    Unless I'm missing something, the figures that show that 90-95% of them from certain countries are rejected as asylum seekers, would certainly suggest that they were only here for a better life and nothing to do with escaping impending death/torture/persecution or whatever. Now, putting that aside, because one could obviously claim that they're more than willing to work and not looking to 'sponge', if they were granted residency here. Isn't there an absolutely massive portion of African people legitimately living in the state that are unemployed? I'm genuinely just asking, because I don't inherently think what he said automatically has zero gravitas and can be just dismissed as baseless ramblings from a clueless racist.


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    #585
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    If you're going to do it, get it right yourself :cool:

    I will put that into the translator box


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    #586
    Galwayguy35
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    They give out about the length of time they are in DP but yet nobody mentions the fact that this is because they appeal decisions multiple times up to the highest court in the land and we foot the bill for it.

    It's a joke of a system and every government is afraid to do anything to change it.

    The way it should be is once a decision is made they can stay or else send them back, no appeal unless they foot the bill themsleves.


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    #587
    The_Kew_Tour
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    I will put that into the translator box

    You ****ed up not me:pac:


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    #588
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Faugheen wrote: »
    My take.

    The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP? What are the state doing to facilitate an influx of up to 250 people? What about the local primary school? Could it take more students? Those issues I actually agree with and the fact that the state is going quietly about this and giving the locals no reassurances would annoy me too.

    However, that unsubstantiated claim by Noel Grealish that most African asylum seekers are spongers is not a legitimate concern. It’s at best xenophobic and at worst racist. He has absolutely no proof of that and all it was was rabble rousing bollocks. The fact the usual suspects are saying ‘he’s right’ doesn’t surprise me.

    Noel Grealish spoke the truth. Some people don't like this and pull the racist, xenophobic usual suspects bull--it.
    Need more like Noel instead of all the ones feared of losing their cushy jobs if they speak. Not to mention the people who are making a nice living out of these DP centres.


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    #589
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    malinheader wrote: »
    Noel Grealish spoke the truth. Some people don't like this and pull the racist, xenophobic usual suspects bull--it.
    Need more like Noel instead of all the ones feared of losing their cushy jobs if they speak. Not to mention the people who are making a nice living out of these DP centres.

    + the people who just have an agenda, the same people who rally against direct provision all the time get the bus from their cities to these rural villages to protest in favour of the DP centres being foist upon the residents of those villages. Its complete clown world stuff.

    The only consistent point I can see these people holding is that they want open unchecked immigration and anyone of any non white origin to have full consent to live off our welfare state and roam free around Ireland. Opposing that for any reason at all is full blown nazi level racism in their book.


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    #590
    jackboy
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    Big jump there little Jackieboy .And the post what have you say about that ?

    Not a jump at all. Those who claim Ireland is ‘racist’ and call strangers racist generally have very low self esteem, hate their lives and try to bring everyone else down to their negative depressing level.

    Like all countries, Ireland has plenty issues to improve on. However, Ireland in general is a friendly, welcoming country. One of the best countries in the world to live in. For these reasons, direct provision is unirish and not something to be proud of. We can do better.


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    #591
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not a jump at all. Those who claim Ireland is ‘racist’ and call strangers racist generally have very low self esteem, hate their lives and try to bring everyone else down to their negative depressing level.

    Like all countries, Ireland has plenty issues to improve on. However, Ireland in general is a friendly, welcoming country. One of the best countries in the world to live in. For these reasons, direct provision is unirish and not something to be proud of. We can do better.

    its very true, you never see employed, happy, coupled/married people involved in that kind of protest, its always societies rejects, those who have achieved nothing else or those with undiagnosed / over medicated mental illnesses on the picket line and shouting the loudest on the topic. Its almost like they either know its bad and want everyone to have as awful a life as they do, or they genuinely believe this will somehow reward them with happiness.


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    #592
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    luckily the vast vast majority are 18-30 year old men so

    They’re not. 51% of asylum seekers are men.


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    alastair
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    WB Yokes wrote: »
    They'd be getting all essentials that they need from charities. Id say those hotels are well set up for them.

    Yeaaaah - I’d say you you know feck all.


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    #594
    [Deleted User]
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    alastair wrote: »
    They’re not. 51% of asylum seekers are men.

    Men or male? Because adult men should not, on average, be anywhere near half the number of asylum seekers when you factor in kids.


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    #595
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Men or male? Because adult men should not, on average, be anywhere near half the number of asylum seekers when you factor in kids.

    and then we have to factor in the 'kids' who are actually in their 20s that keep showing up.

    https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics yeah, 51% men, 22% children of which theres no gender breakdown, so even on balance its atleast 61% males showing up....


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    #596
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Some fella is now being asked to prove in front of a tribunal that he is a gay man..

    https://mobile.twitter.com/masi_asylum/status/1173570549940928512

    That twitter page is informative.


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    #597
    Boggles
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    My take.

    The concerns of the people of Oughterard regarding the availability of services in which to accommodate these asylum seekers is fair and legit in my opinion. Last I heard there was only one GP?

    They are lucky to have a GP. There is what 2,500 in Ireland? So around 1 per 2000 people.

    There is a train of thought that the extra work (money) a GP may get in a rural area would encourage them to stay and not leave as is what is happening all around the country.

    Right now for understandable reasons, people are only seeing the perceived negatives which may actually be glaring positives.

    As for rural schools, a fair few of them are struggling for numbers and are losing teachers.

    More panic than sense at the moment.

    Threads like this don't help of course.


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    #598
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Men or male? Because adult men should not, on average, be anywhere near half the number of asylum seekers when you factor in kids.

    Men. The remainder are women and children.


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    #599
    Achebe
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Well if you said you canvassed with Loughnane you must be in Galway.

    Not necessarily Sherlock.


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    ToBeFrank123
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    They give out about the length of time they are in DP but yet nobody mentions the fact that this is because they appeal decisions multiple times up to the highest court in the land and we foot the bill for it.

    It's a joke of a system and every government is afraid to do anything to change it.

    The way it should be is once a decision is made they can stay or else send them back, no appeal unless they foot the bill themsleves.

    Interesting.
    Sounds like the legal establishment are making tidy sums out of all these appeals. The same legal profession who are cleaning up with exaggerated insurance claims.
    FG will never change the system if so. Look how slow they are to take on the legal profession with insurance claims.


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    #601
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    and then we have to factor in the 'kids' who are actually in their 20s that keep showing up.

    https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics yeah, 51% men, 22% children of which theres no gender breakdown, so even on balance its atleast 61% males showing up....

    And? Anything to suggest “the vast majority are men 18-30”?
    That would be a ‘no’.


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