rsa supporting e-scooters

CramCycle

The number of the Xaomi ones on my commute have increased immensely since the schools and colleges returns. Jebus they are slow. Tiny wheels really seem to struggle with the most minor of deflections. There is a guy on my commute who has used the single wheel balance thing and he leaves them for dust and takes the bumps with ease, wheel looks about 24'. The larger wheel kids scooters with no motor look quicker, and easier. The small wheel powered ones look like your calves would be dying afterwards with the shock absorbance.

Anyway, long story short, so long as they are not on a pavement and being d1cks to pedestrians (and have brakes), I really don't care.

magicbastarder

CramCycle wrote: »

There is a guy on my commute who has used the single wheel balance

is that the one that looks almost like a unicycle segway with no 'handlebars'?
have seen on on east wall road a couple of times.
i'm curious how you mount it without taking a pratfall.

tomasrojo

Speaking of Segways, it looks as if they were right about the latent demand for a single-occupancy vehicle with an electric motor with a travelling speed between a pedestrian and a car, but wrong about that demand being met by an over-engineered and expensive mobile church lectern.

CramCycle

magicbastarder wrote: »

is that the one that looks almost like a unicycle segway with no 'handlebars'?
have seen on on east wall road a couple of times.
i'm curious how you mount it without taking a pratfall.

I honestly don't know. I presume it takes practice but he never gets off at lights, just balances on it, calves and knees of steel I imagine. The only thing that unnerves me is he has his hands in his pockets the whole time but he comfortably holds north of 20kmph on the uphill. He looks more steady and comfy than most escooter riders. I imagine it is like riding a track bike with no brakes, you have to be very aware of the possibilities at every junction.

tomasrojo

CramCycle wrote: »

I honestly don't know. I presume it takes practice but he never gets off at lights, just balances on it, calves and knees of steel I imagine. The only thing that unnerves me is he has his hands in his pockets the whole time but he comfortably holds north of 20kmph on the uphill. He looks more steady and comfy than most escooter riders. I imagine it is like riding a track bike with no brakes, you have to be very aware of the possibilities at every junction.

Yeah, you'd think the hands would be out to the sides in a dynamic fashion, like the Silver Surfer or something.

plodder

Speeds of up to 80 km/h sounds like ridiculous excuse making. I'm sure you can find e-bikes that go that fast, but the reason we have regulations (25 km/h 250W etc) is to manage that. Most e-scooters I've seen recently are barely doing 10-15km/h

I've also seen that single wheel balance device as well in the Clontarf area. Very cool looking, but I'd question its ability to stop in a hurry.

Kaisr Sose

TheChizler wrote: »

Maybe he was only going walking pace on the sections with people walking? I've used them in the past and tried pushing them in places, you end up with cut ankles as any slight forward resistance causes the back wheel to lift and the whole thing pivots.

The pavement is for pedestrians. Anyone on an Escooter should use the road like all the other powered vehicles.

italodisco

Eamonnator wrote: »

I've often wondered what happens, if you hit a pot hole or have to jam on the brakes on an Escooter, while travelling at 25/30kph.

Taxi pulled out of a parking space last night in front of drumcondra arts centre , red light, scooter guy dressed in black with no light and rain pelting down.......he hit the brakes well in advance and they didn't do much. He ended up hitting taxi .

For once i took a taxis side. Scooter guy obviously going to fly through the red light.

Useless brakes for sure

TheChizler

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

The pavement is for pedestrians. Anyone on an Escooter should use the road like all the other powered vehicles.

Sure (I don't actually care as long as they're not being a danger) but the point I was making was why they might have been going walking pace.

rubadub

magicbastarder wrote: »

is that the one that looks almost like a unicycle segway with no 'handlebars'?
have seen on on east wall road a couple of times.
i'm curious how you mount it without taking a pratfall.

you can see them starting up about 50sec in.

Crazy promo video considering they are illegal, I love it at the end when all 3 break an amber light for pedestrians, one of them a kid.

blackwhite

CramCycle wrote: »

I honestly don't know. I presume it takes practice but he never gets off at lights, just balances on it, calves and knees of steel I imagine. The only thing that unnerves me is he has his hands in his pockets the whole time but he comfortably holds north of 20kmph on the uphill. He looks more steady and comfy than most escooter riders. I imagine it is like riding a track bike with no brakes, you have to be very aware of the possibilities at every junction.

That sounds suspiciously like the guy I see most days heading from Clonskeagh up towards Sandyford.

blackwhite

rubadub wrote: »

you can see them starting up about 50sec in.

Crazy promo video considering they are illegal, I love it at the end when all 3 break an amber light for pedestrians, one of them a kid.

And the first thing they show - blocking people getting off the Luas whilst the rider mounts it

rubadub

Another from them here showing a commute on the N11. Starts off in Kilbogget park, then goes the wrong way on a cycle lane for a bit

At the 11min mark you can see him easily going up a slope after foxrock church which many cyclists struggle on, many would be out of the saddle. He passes a cyclist by going onto the footpath, and does it again with ease later.

He is on the foothpaths in sandyford ind estate. 24mins is a pretty good time.

Think this is the start & stop and the route it roughly correct, google have it as a 1hr 22min walk.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.2767548,-6.2156298/53.2535061,-6.1429347/@53.2700753,-6.1929037,6639m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2113783!2d53.2758483!3s0x4867090899c29f93:0xf7c66fce9306f445!1m0!3e2

ted1

rubadub wrote: »

you can see them starting up about 50sec in.

Crazy promo video considering they are illegal, I love it at the end when all 3 break an amber light for pedestrians, one of them a kid.

27 seconds in, looks like he is about to mow down pedestrians

Macy0161

blackwhite wrote: »

That sounds suspiciously like the guy I see most days heading from Clonskeagh up towards Sandyford.

Yep, sounds familiar to me too. If it's the same lad I see, he has a full on motorbike helmet.

blackwhite

Macy0161 wrote: »

Yep, sounds familiar to me too. If it's the same lad I see, he has a full on motorbike helmet.

That's the one

plodder

Emergency brake tests in Denmark. I wonder if the bigger wheel makes them more practical than scooters with their tiny wheels.

ted1

plodder wrote: »

Emergency brake tests in Denmark. I wonder if the bigger wheel makes them more practical than scooters with their tiny wheels.

They use different riders. Of course the 4 stone 6 year old is going to stop faster than the 14 stone man.

plodder

ted1 wrote: »

They use different riders. Of course the 4 stone 6 year old is going to stop faster than the 14 stone man.

Yeah, it's not a great video, and can't say I'm convinced yet they are safe. But, I wonder about what you say there. A heavier person needs more force to stop, but they can also resist the torque from the braking more. So, it feels like one of those things that ought to balance out (ha). Could be wrong though.

mondeo

That thing just looks embarrassing, Look like a clown riding that one wheeled thing down the street.

kenmc

And then there's these things
https://www.cyclebike.ie/drift-w1-electric-skates.html

Bizarre looking yokes altogether.

Utter Consternation

kenmc wrote: »

And then there's these things
https://www.cyclebike.ie/drift-w1-electric-skates.html

Bizarre looking yokes altogether.

FFS, they're like something you'd see on Back to the Future.

mondeo

Looks like something "The wheelers" might like to upgrade to in return to Oz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MLVfQOknYM

kenmc wrote: »

And then there's these things

https://www.cyclebike.ie/drift-w1-electric-skates.html

Bizarre looking yokes altogether.

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kenmc wrote: »

And then there's these things
https://www.cyclebike.ie/drift-w1-electric-skates.html

Bizarre looking yokes altogether.

What the.......

What????!!!!!



That video is hilariously tragic.

buffalo

This is laughable: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/escooter-users-facing-2500-fine-for-speeding-38595458.html

The Fianna Fáil bill is to amend the Road Traffic Act to regulate for the use of electric scooters and provide for their safe use on the roads.

Under its terms, all e-scooters would be required to be fitted with a speed limitation device which restricts it to 25kmh or less. It would be an offence to remove or tamper with the device.

There would also be a 25kmh speed limit for e-scooters on the roads. Users found exceeding this speed would get a €1,000 fine for a first offence. Repeat offenders would face a fine of €2,500 for a second or subsequent offence.

Yep, a €1,000 speeding fine for doing 26kph. I don't think there's even an official speed limit in Ireland where a car driver can be fined anything at that speed. And if you're doing 50kph in a 30 zone? Well that's €80 and some penalty points that expire after a few years. Ridiculous.

magicbastarder

from what i've seen on twitter, that's a journalist who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. the fine would be for illegally modifying the scooter to be able to exceed 25km/h, not for the actual speeding offence.
there are similar fines for modifying cars illegally, the tweet i saw claimed.

buffalo

magicbastarder wrote: »

from what i've seen on twitter, that's a journalist who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. the fine would be for illegally modifying the scooter to be able to exceed 25km/h, not for the actual speeding offence.
there are similar fines for modifying cars illegally, the tweet i saw claimed.

DON'T TELL ME WHAT NOT TO BE OUTRAGED ABOUT

buffalo

srsly though, what was I thinking reading an Independent article and believing it?

magicbastarder

or else, believing what some randomer called 'magicbastarder' told you on some mickey mouse forum, over the word of a respected journalist whose job it is to tell the truth?

magicbastarder

anyway, i would suspect that people with chipped e-bikes might be starting to worry now.

beauf

Bally go Backwards.

Obviously the govt thinks it's 1920 not 2019

beauf

magicbastarder wrote: »

anyway, i would suspect that people with chipped e-bikes might be starting to worry now.

Worried where they'll find someone to walk in front with a flag...

magicbastarder

would someone on an e-scooter be able to carry the flag for the person on the bike? asking for a friend.

magicbastarder

beauf wrote: »

Obviously the govt thinks it's 1920 not 2019

this is not a government proposal though. this is from the opposition (well, whether you'd call FF the opposition is a debate for another day).

beauf

The govt solution to transport is we all buy 50k electric cars. It doesn't help the gridlock in anyway, and no one can buy them as they can't make them quick enough.

At some point people will realise this govt does nothing about anything.

beauf

magicbastarder wrote: »

would someone on an e-scooter be able to carry the flag for the person on the bike? asking for a friend.

It's going to part of a new get people back to work scheme.

beauf

magicbastarder wrote: »

this is not a government proposal though. this is from the opposition (well, whether you'd call FF the opposition is a debate for another day).

Are we not a one party state? Very confusing.

CantGetNoSleep

buffalo wrote: »

This is laughable: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/escooter-users-facing-2500-fine-for-speeding-38595458.html



Yep, a €1,000 speeding fine for doing 26kph. I don't think there's even an official speed limit in Ireland where a car driver can be fined anything at that speed. And if you're doing 50kph in a 30 zone? Well that's €80 and some penalty points that expire after a few years. Ridiculous.

What happens if you are going down a hill?

beauf

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

What happens if you are going down a hill?

The fine will have sliding scale to cover that.

Tzardine

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

What happens if you are going down a hill?

What happens if you are speeding down a hill in a car.

beauf

They'll issue their whistle blowers whistles and get them back to work issuing speeding fines to scooters. Them hanging around the station being ostracized is just awkward for everyone.

magicbastarder

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

What happens if you are going down a hill?

magicbastarder wrote:

from what i've seen on twitter, that's a journalist who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. the fine would be for illegally modifying the scooter to be able to exceed 25km/h, not for the actual speeding offence.

i suspect we need a better source on what the proposed legislation contains, than the indo.

beauf

Tzardine wrote: »

What happens if you are speeding down a hill in a car.

Thus far nothing. You might drop your phone in shock at moving in traffic.

beauf

magicbastarder wrote: »

i suspect we need a better source on what the proposed legislation contains, than the indo.

This might be a story too vague even for Waterford Whispers. Lads who've no hope of getting elected have another lunatic proposal.

LeeroyJ.

25kmh limit is fair and inline with other countries. Most scooter are already software locked to 25kmh and disable acceleration when you are going downhill, I think the quickest I've gone downhill is 32 under perfect conditions.
In other news, I've been riding my scooter every day for about 2 months or so and I've driven past police and even behind a Gardai car for about 10 minutes on the road and haven't had anyone stop me yet. It seems police are turning a blind eye as long as people stick to traffic rules and stay of the footpaths.

I really hope they legalize personal devices, I'm not sure how I feel about the shareable ones though, I've been to Zurich and Bonn in the last 2 weeks and I've seen young teenagers with 2 people on 1 scooter speeding along footpaths multiple times, I think driving your own brings a certain amount of care with it as they aren't cheap but the shareable ones people don't seem to care about.

Utter Consternation

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

25kmh limit is fair and inline with other countries. Most scooter are already software locked to 25kmh and disable acceleration when you are going downhill, I think the quickest I've gone downhill is 32 under perfect conditions.
I other new, I've been riding my scooter every day for about 2 months or so and I've driven past police and even behind a Gardai car for about 10 minutes on the road and haven't had anyone stop me yet. It seems police are turning a blind eye as long as people stick to traffic rules and stay of the footpaths.

I really hope they legalize personal devices, I'm not sure how I feel about the shareable ones though, I've been to Zurich and Bonn in the last 2 weeks and I've seen young teenagers with 2 people in 1 scooter speeding along footpaths multiple times, I think driving your own brings a certain amount of care with it as they aren't cheap but the shareable ones people don't seem to care about.

It's a great way to get people out of their cars.

I've an electric bike and i do find that some scooters (and indeed plenty other electric bikes) pass me by when the motor has cut out at 25kmph.

ted1

buffalo wrote: »

This is laughable: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/escooter-users-facing-2500-fine-for-speeding-38595458.html



Yep, a €1,000 speeding fine for doing 26kph. I don't think there's even an official speed limit in Ireland where a car driver can be fined anything at that speed. And if you're doing 50kph in a 30 zone? Well that's €80 and some penalty points that expire after a few years. Ridiculous.

Wouldn’t hold up in court as if disportional to the fine for speeding in a car which carries a higher risk.

rubadub

magicbastarder wrote: »

anyway, i would suspect that people with chipped e-bikes might be starting to worry now.

Harder to detect since on the flat or uphill under human power they can go over 25km/h when the assistance is turned off.

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

What happens if you are going down a hill?

You would have to brake, but the journo is probably wrong.

I was making a similar point in a thread on ebikes. One person saying an assisted limit of 30km/h would be "ridiculous", while they could freewheel down a hill at over 55km/h. I was wondering if they thought all cyclists should have a 30km/h limit, or maybe 35km/h which I guess they might find outrageously & utterly ridiculous :rolleyes:

magicbastarder

rubadub wrote: »

You would have to brake, but the journo is probably wrong.

from what i understand, this is the case - the fine mentioned would be for illegally chipping the scooter, not for the actual speeding.

Utter Consternation

magicbastarder wrote: »

from what i understand, this is the case - the fine mentioned would be for illegally chipping the scooter, not for the actual speeding.

That has to be the case. Are the Gardai going to be out speed gunning people on e-scooters?? I doubt it very much.

It's fairly easy to spot anyone who has a chipped scooter or ebike because they're usually bloody flying it.