Why are men more homophobic compared to women?

beejee

nthclare wrote: »

Well from reading your post you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet

Thick enough for you ???

I do, and you'd do well to address that bee by name, it's Mulfred. The polyamourous triangle between myself, Gnther Goose and Mulfred Bee s as complicated as it is passionate, and we are all gender-fluid, and occasionally species-fluid, depending on the weather and occasion.

Nothing more naarrtrel, boss!

Sardonicat

Redneck Reject wrote: »

I was monologuing using David Attenborough, makes it much more interesting.

Oh yes, that works!
In DA's voice "...withered, circumcised, sallow skin. A lovely little piece."

I think he could get a handy little side line narrating erotic audio books.

wiggle16

Sardonicat wrote: »

Oh yes, that works!
In DA's voice "...withered, circumcised, sallow skin. A lovely little piece."

I think he could get a handy little side line narrating erotic audio books.

*Gets wet*

dvdman1

wakka12 wrote: »

An accepted generalization but why would that make men more homophobic? Its not a strong argument anyway

Imagine kissing sombody your not attracted to? This can be repulsive, and not a very nice thought.
men are labelled more homophobic as the physicality is never far from thoughts, its not a nice thought (for them). I think its a problem with some men that they then confuse this unwanted thought and then go ahead disrespecting that individual which is wrong. Its similar to how they can slag ugly women.

Also men can feel distracted around women they fancy as the physicality is on the mind too. They may act differently and not impartial and give special treatment.

nthclare

beejee wrote: »

I do, and you'd do well to address that bee by name, it's Mulfred. The polyamourous triangle between myself, Gnther Goose and Mulfred Bee s as complicated as it is passionate, and we are all gender-fluid, and occasionally species-fluid, depending on the weather and occasion.

Nothing more naarrtrel, boss!

A mixture of word salad, a bit of fowl who's a bit of a gunt...

And in togetherness you can melt into a fluidic blend of metaphysical ever after and sing it from the rafter's...

I'm all for it dude, you and the loose goose.

Don't fall out and end up having to choke Gnther...

weldoninhio

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Just confirms to me that I can't be affectionate in public as Ireland's still full of homophobes with their visceral reactions and so on.

Hence it's depressing. It's just reality though. Not much I can do about it.

Think I'm going to give boards and social media in general a break tbh. Finding it's just making me feel angry.

Bill Burrs opinion on it.

https://youtu.be/5sxZnE_Rab4

weldoninhio

wakka12 wrote: »

To me being not homophobic means treating gay and straight couples exactly the same. Being repulsed by one gay couple doing something and not the other straight couple doing the same thing is not treating them the same.And yes maybe some of the men in this thread were just against straight PDA's and all PDA in general as well but given the fact we are discussing gay people I think we can take it the majority of those type of replies mean they are repulsed by gay couples kissing not straight ones

Thats absolute bull****. You can treat them the same, even if you are repulsed by their former actions. Would you be in favour of a thought police??

weldoninhio

Floppybits wrote: »

Why is all the focus on hetrosexuals and they way they feel about homosexual behaviour? What about gay people who find hetrosexuals repulsive? I am sure there are gay men and women out there that find hetrosexual PDA's not something they want to see.

Its ok not to be excited about seeing to men or 2 women or a man and a woman kissing or displaying some form of affection as long as you are not trying to stop them. Seeing 2 people eat the face off each other be they straight or gay is not always the best thing to see.

I've literally no idea.

THREAD TITLE: Why are men more homophobic compared to women?

Pauliedragon

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve had gay guys tell me that they find female genitalia and the idea of having sex with women repulsive. It’s okay for them to say that, IMO. By the same token, it’s okay for somebody to find men kissing or having sex repulsive. It’s because it’s contrary to one’s own sexual orientation.

I’m a straight woman and I personally don’t find the thought of same sex intercourse repulsive but everyone is different.

I think both sexes find each others genitals ugly gay or straight. The big guy up there in the heavens had a few pints in him when they were designed.

Reviews and Books Galore

You know there was a study that showed that women get arousal from different types of pornography than men do. As in, lesbian, gay and straight. Yet men seemed to have no arousal to things that they are not ctually attracted to.



As in, men did not 'light up' in the brain area during gay porn but women were way more lighting up in regards to all forms of stimuli involving women or men. Just an interesting little factoid.



And, it ties into my theory about sex nullifying various icky factors of human intimacy. But, in my experience, women are just as homophobic as men and were quite a bit more outspoken about it until intersectionality tied together homophobia with mysogny and there was a push to portray gay men as 'one of the ladies'.

mr_fegelien

I don't know if anyone has experienced this but when I was in school with a couple of lads from rough areas they really didn't like me getting close to them. I'm bisexual and a bit feminine so I could definitely see from what they said and their behaviour that they didn't want me to act "gay" around them in fear I'd like them.

I once greeted them with "what's up lads" (not just them but a group of them) and they said with a disgusted look on their face "don't talk to me like that man".

Women have never acted like this towards me even the ones who aren't so gay approving.

ToddyDoody

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has experienced this but when I was in school with a couple of lads from rough areas they really didn't like me getting close to them. I'm bisexual and a bit feminine so I could definitely see from what they said and their behaviour that they didn't want me to act "gay" around them in fear I'd like them.

I once greeted them with "what's up lads" (not just them but a group of them) and they said with a disgusted look on their face "don't talk to me like that man".

Women have never acted like this towards me even the ones who aren't so gay approving.

Men have sympathy toward strength, women toward weakness. Femininity in men is equated with weakness.

paw patrol

weldoninhio wrote: »

Thats absolute bull****. You can treat them the same, even if you are repulsed by their former actions. Would you be in favour of a thought police??

no longer is tolerance or acceptance enough things have taken a bizarre turn where you must like it...fcuking love it.

But there is no agenda and to suggest this is would be a conspiracy theory:rolleyes:

wakka12

paw patrol wrote: »

no longer is tolerance or acceptance enough thing have taken a bizarre turn where you must like it...fcuking love it.

But there is no agenda and to suggest this is would be a conspiracy theory:rolleyes:

Whats the agenda?

I have no agenda. I dont know what to say really. Obviously we cant change peoples innate feelings of attraction/repulsion but honestly it is just hurtful to read that many men on this thread are 'repulsed' by gay people doing simple everyday romantic things like kissing that millions of straight people publicly engage in daily . Would you not feel offended by that at all if it was said about you?I think its a pretty natural reaction to feel that way. I also think its odd that you feel anything beyond indifference to what another couple do as long as its not inappropriate obviously, Ive never felt repulsion towards seeing a couple kissing, no matter how ugly or horrible looking they were individually and how much Id hate to have sex with them myself, I simply just do not care enough about randoms strangers to feel any emotion anywhere near as strong as repulsion. I dont like knowing that I am making people around me feel so uncomfortable that they feel repulsed when I kiss my boyfriend, I dont want to make people feel that way

freshpopcorn

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has experienced this but when I was in school with a couple of lads from rough areas they really didn't like me getting close to them. I'm bisexual and a bit feminine so I could definitely see from what they said and their behaviour that they didn't want me to act "gay" around them in fear I'd like them.

I once greeted them with "what's up lads" (not just them but a group of them) and they said with a disgusted look on their face "don't talk to me like that man".

Women have never acted like this towards me even the ones who aren't so gay approving.

You should just be yourself within reason OP.
If your a bit feminine that's fine but you may clash and not get on with other lads as easy.

chrissb8

Homophobia is for those who can't see past sexuality as just a facet of the overall person.

Gay, straight, Bi etc. It doesn't matter as I'm not going to spend any more time talking about sex than I am anything else. It isn't a defining factor as it is what it is and that's it. No better no worse it is just a preference that hurts no one.

Infact alot of people "repulsed" or uneasy around it should think through the man or woman you see kissing their same sex partner and think how happy they must be to have found someone. Somebody who makes them feel good and someone they can share love and affection with.

People need to stop overthinking it and just see it as the pure thing that it is at its base.

Redneck Reject

I must be oblivious to it all. I've seen guys kiss in a diner and also 2 women. I never thought anything negative about it. It's just a couple who are caught up in the moment. This overthinking of things and mentally imagining it is the fault of those offended by it, not the couples.Seriously,love and respect your fellow human, regardless of the difference in lifestyle choices.

Now as a disclaimer, yes I might or might not have had too much drink when making this post. So viewer discretion is advised.

wiggle16

paw patrol wrote: »

no longer is tolerance or acceptance enough thing have taken a bizarre turn where you must like it...fcuking love it.

But there is no agenda and to suggest this is would be a conspiracy theory:rolleyes:

Everybody seems to know what the "gay agenda" is except the gays themselves.

What is it? Why am I being kept out of the loop?? The big gay loop!?!?

coffee_cake

wiggle16 wrote: »

Everybody seems to know what the "gay agenda" is except the gays themselves.

i think it's this

https://cliquekits.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/img_4303.jpg

wiggle16

bluewolf wrote: »

i think it's this

https://cliquekits.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/img_4303.jpg

Oh! To be honest I thought there would be more glitter glue involved.

coffee_cake

wiggle16 wrote: »

Oh! To be honest I thought there would be more glitter glue involved.

i actually put glitter in the search term. haha.

Tony EH

Floppybits wrote: »

Why is all the focus on hetrosexuals and they way they feel about homosexual behaviour?

Because that's the topic of the thread.

Floppybits wrote: »

What about gay people who find hetrosexuals repulsive? I am sure there are gay men and women out there that find hetrosexual PDA's not something they want to see.

A lot of them do. A lot of gay people don't want to be around "breeders" full stop and find the act of straight sex repulsive and disgusting, because it isn't their particular want, as it were.

The thing is, it's "ok" for a gay person to feel that way and to say it, because the tolerance to feel that way is extended to them. But, it''s somehow a crime against humanity if a straight person naturally feels uneasy about gay sex.

It's perfectly fine for someone to be "repulsed" by something, if one takes the meaning of "repulse" to be the mere opposite of "attract". There's nothing wrong here, or even that untoward as to cause offence.

The problem is some people take the word "repulse" to only mean it's nth degree.

Andreas77

Repulsion at two males kissing is learned behaviour belonging to primitive and underdeveloped personality type suffering from low self esteem and inability to self-analyse imaginative shortcomings. One needs to put themselves in position of other, consider their feelings and needs, until repulsion is replaced by indifference or peaceful acceptance. I was this person. I was repulsed by sight of male tongues intertwined, exchange of saliva, squarish jaws interlocked, but looking back I see lack of intellectual honesty on my part, lack of openness, and greater submission to generic, thoughtless role play encouraged by mainstream movies. When I was very young I had recurrent fantasy and wet dream of hiring small plastic paddle boat (fibreglass chassis, imitation tug boat) in man-made city park lake during daylight hours with weather of 73°F (warm and sunny) . I will place feet on peddles and manoeuvre paddle boat around concrete circumference of lake as tall beautiful woman lifts body upwards and downwards with smooth transport on penis for her vagina. We are both naked and dog walkers, daytrippers, and recreational sportspeople are watching. She'll keep movements perfectly synchronised with male paddling so that we are calibrated like well oiled machine. I had wondered later in life if such a fantasy was possible but realised of following issues: performance anxiety during rutting, intervention of police, hassle from angry onlookers. Main job was as statistician for banking conglomerate. Duties included collecting statistics on rental market for analysis of mortgage rates, lending criteria etc. I was exceptional squash player who placed forth on national open, also keen on tennis, badminton, and handball. 80% of time was spent in office, but I would also work from home (particularly if I had glass of larger after work). Everybody in work was always telling me what an amazing job I was doing. On one of these mornings I was preparing report from home (hired to create cost benefit analysis which would be sold to outside firm. Actually I had to present this paper at Biennial which is where I met ex-wife. I had all expenses paid for me by purchase company including travel, food and accommodation, and when I have gone at end of trip to local office with receipts, I have seen stunning petite dark haired pale women sitting behind small desk, with telephone, series of tubes for holding pencils, Filofax. Right then and there I wanted to dive under desk and eat her out, selflessly for hours on end. Imagine that she will have to perform duties to other customers while I am under there deeply kissing her vulva, and rubbing my full head of hair against the inside of her legs. Okay. It was first and last time I was in love. We went to Moroccan restaurant and shared tagine next night (I stayed on) and actually we shared hookah (happy pineapple flavour it was called) and I’ll always remember first kiss as she tasted of this essence. We did not have sex until I returned a few months later but we continued romance online with dirty pictures, videos, chatter, also discussions of day to day life) when I got a call from a guy at work to tell me that beautiful young intern from Romania had started at job and that I should come in and meet her. Reason being that on first day intern would have lunch with other colleagues and this would be good opportunity for me to meet her and get a sense of whether we would be good match (I was single). Anyway we became a pair for maybe eight months. She was very sensual creature. Only issue is that she liked to call me daddy during intercourse which I never liked, but I had not self-confidence to mention it. Always seemed weird thing but this period of my life was marked by colossal sexual awakening. With her I did first ass play, double dipping, scooping, passionate kissing, and actually she became very familiar with different vegetables and fruit that I would just caress the inside of her thighs with and she would have to guess what variety it was. When I would come home from work she might be in sexy undies absolutely desperate to be penetrated, so I would make a show of patiently making dinner, maybe put on radio to listen to sports updates, until she was dizzy with desire, so you can imagine with a women like this I felt comfortable to tell her my fantasy of tug boat. For reasons mentioned already we agreed fantasy was not possible in perfect detail, but what she did for me I’ll never forget. We travelled together to nearby city with man-made recreational lake, and resting on adjacent grassy embankment she sat on top of me with only rain jacket and we had sex as I watched the lake and strolling passersby.

wiggle16

Tug boat??

screamer

Wow there’s some amount of horse**** and high horsing in this thread. I really don’t know why it’s such an issue, whilst the marriage vote won, there was still a large number of voters who didn’t vote yes, ergo Things may be legal but not everyone is going to be ok with it.
I don’t like seeing anyone getting hot and heavy regardless of gender, I think it’s just coarse.

Roger Hassenforder

Im never eating tagine again.

beejee

Andreas77 wrote: »

Repulsion at two males kissing is learned behaviour belonging to primitive and underdeveloped personality type suffering from low self esteem and inability to self-analyse imaginative shortcomings. One needs to put themselves in position of other, consider their feelings and needs, until repulsion is replaced by indifference or peaceful acceptance. I was this person. I was repulsed by sight of male tongues intertwined, exchange of saliva, squarish jaws interlocked, but looking back I see lack of intellectual honesty on my part, lack of openness, and greater submission to generic, thoughtless role play encouraged by mainstream movies. When I was very young I had recurrent fantasy and wet dream of hiring small plastic paddle boat (fibreglass chassis, imitation tug boat) in man-made city park lake during daylight hours with weather of 73°F (warm and sunny) . I will place feet on peddles and manoeuvre paddle boat around concrete circumference of lake as tall beautiful woman lifts body upwards and downwards with smooth transport on penis for her vagina. We are both naked and dog walkers, daytrippers, and recreational sportspeople are watching. She'll keep movements perfectly synchronised with male paddling so that we are calibrated like well oiled machine. I had wondered later in life if such a fantasy was possible but realised of following issues: performance anxiety during rutting, intervention of police, hassle from angry onlookers. Main job was as statistician for banking conglomerate. Duties included collecting statistics on rental market for analysis of mortgage rates, lending criteria etc. I was exceptional squash player who placed forth on national open, also keen on tennis, badminton, and handball. 80% of time was spent in office, but I would also work from home (particularly if I had glass of larger after work). Everybody in work was always telling me what an amazing job I was doing. On one of these mornings I was preparing report from home (hired to create cost benefit analysis which would be sold to outside firm. Actually I had to present this paper at Biennial which is where I met ex-wife. I had all expenses paid for me by purchase company including travel, food and accommodation, and when I have gone at end of trip to local office with receipts, I have seen stunning petite dark haired pale women sitting behind small desk, with telephone, series of tubes for holding pencils, Filofax. Right then and there I wanted to dive under desk and eat her out, selflessly for hours on end. Imagine that she will have to perform duties to other customers while I am under there deeply kissing her vulva, and rubbing my full head of hair against the inside of her legs. Okay. It was first and last time I was in love. We went to Moroccan restaurant and shared tagine next night (I stayed on) and actually we shared hookah (happy pineapple flavour it was called) and I’ll always remember first kiss as she tasted of this essence. We did not have sex until I returned a few months later but we continued romance online with dirty pictures, videos, chatter, also discussions of day to day life) when I got a call from a guy at work to tell me that beautiful young intern from Romania had started at job and that I should come in and meet her. Reason being that on first day intern would have lunch with other colleagues and this would be good opportunity for me to meet her and get a sense of whether we would be good match (I was single). Anyway we became a pair for maybe eight months. She was very sensual creature. Only issue is that she liked to call me daddy during intercourse which I never liked, but I had not self-confidence to mention it. Always seemed weird thing but this period of my life was marked by colossal sexual awakening. With her I did first ass play, double dipping, scooping, passionate kissing, and actually she became very familiar with different vegetables and fruit that I would just caress the inside of her thighs with and she would have to guess what variety it was. When I would come home from work she might be in sexy undies absolutely desperate to be penetrated, so I would make a show of patiently making dinner, maybe put on radio to listen to sports updates, until she was dizzy with desire, so you can imagine with a women like this I felt comfortable to tell her my fantasy of tug boat. For reasons mentioned already we agreed fantasy was not possible in perfect detail, but what she did for me I’ll never forget. We travelled together to nearby city with man-made recreational lake, and resting on adjacent grassy embankment she sat on top of me with only rain jacket and we had sex as I watched the lake and strolling passersby.

Sardonicat

wiggle16 wrote: »

Tug boat??

Fibre glass chassis. And vegetables.

Really, Andre, that six burner hob is wasted on you.

wiggle16

Sardonicat wrote: »

Fibre glass chassis. And vegetables.

Really, Andre, that six burner hob is wasted on you.

The inside-the-thigh which-vegetable-is-it guessing game is .... intriguing.

Andreas77

I have made in last twelve months alone, vegetable terrine (gelatinous body formed with agar agar), rick stein recipe scallops, Portuguese eel cooked in own blood (didn’t like), monk fish curry, Indonesian curry with hake, jack-fruit burger, steak tartare, homemade rye bread, homemade sourdough including production of yeast, Japanese noodles in peanut satay, Indian dosas with homemade chutneys, lentil dhals, lasagne with homemade pasta, homemade ravioli, wagyu steaks cooked rare with perfect charring served with giant couscous salad, risotto (didn’t like), seafood paella, variety of homemade pasta sauces, production of Wensleydale cheese from scratch, lamb tagine with couscous, squash with coriander and Greek yogurt starter. Also bought cocktail recipe book with first steps taken (purchase of mixers)