The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

odyssey06

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Embarrassing stuff from Dublin fans failing to admit they benefit from extreme advantages in their favour. I think the fact they have no other real response to the facts other then ‘stop whinging’ or ‘sore losers’ says it all.

It appears you havent even bothered to read the whole thread yet feel no qualms about lobbing fake facts into it.

Also lets be honest, not all but a sizable number of the split Dublin mob are motivated by that. Nothing to do with logic or balance in the GAA just good old fashioned sore losers.

Dublin has advantages and disadvantages. So do other counties.
No other county has the home of rugby and soccer in it.
How many GAA clubs are there in D1 D2 D4 D6?
How many GAA pitches?
Whats the price of a new GAA pitch and clubhouse in Dublin city versus anywhere else?
How many people living in Dublin dont even support Dublin when they go to Croke Park?
How many dont even know what GAA is?

Dublin are the greatest football team in GAA history.
No other team in history has matched the accomplishments of this team. Fact.

Trey13

The funding of the Dublin intercounty team is not as disproportionate as the overall funding would suggest. Every senior intercounty team has as much backroom staff and gear and all the rest. If Dublin go onto win 7 of the next 10 all irelands then I could accept the ‘financial doping’ line. The funding since 2007 is probably spent on underage but the nucleus of the last 10 years would not have benefited from that. Even still the lads around 25 wouldn’t have either. Jim Gavin completely transformed the culture and mindset of Dublin football and it’s a pity that is being lost among these discussions

odyssey06

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

The dublin hurling team were absolutely muck when I was growing up now they are competing with Kilkenny and beating Galway. It’s only a matter of time before they win Liam. They also aren’t as dominant as the Gaelic team as hurling wasn’t or hasn’t been as popular in Dublin as Gaelic, but now with it growing its only a matter of time before they become an even stronger and dominant force in hurling.

Great. Hurling needs another competitive team and should have a presence in the capital city. Its gone from half the country.
Dunno why Dublin arent allowed to improve as a hurling power...they can replace Offaly.

In the late 80s Dublin were a Division 1 hurling team and reached 2 Leinster Finals. No reason why a generation later they shouldnt be giving top teams a game.

rm75

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Again, your response doesn’t address the points I’ve raised. You have no come back to them again, other then to try pick holes in me as a person. Which I think tells me all I need to know.

You have no points. You've simply identified one factor and tried to exhaggerate its impact while ignoring all other factors.

You are simply trying to undermine the achievments of a truly exceptional team. Why demean myself by engaging with such a bitter person. I pity you actually, being so consumed by hatred.

TrueGael

Trey13 wrote: »

The funding of the Dublin intercounty team is not as disproportionate as the overall funding would suggest. Every senior intercounty team has as much backroom staff and gear and all the rest. If Dublin go onto win 7 of the next 10 all irelands then I could accept the ‘financial doping’ line. The funding since 2007 is probably spent on underage but the nucleus of the last 10 years would not have benefited from that. Even still the lads around 25 wouldn’t have either. Jim Gavin completely transformed the culture and mindset of Dublin football and it’s a pity that is being lost among these discussions

You are in a Pale bubble if you think any one else (let alone all 31) have Juggernaut backroom teams assembled. The superclubs would be on a par resource wise with any other county

If ye had to pay for all those professional coaches as opposed to us doing it, there wouldn't be as much to splurge on the IC setup- thats why it matters- it removes another burden

RoyalCelt

risteard7 wrote: »

Stop supporting the GAA until it's fair game, simple as that.

I'm winding down already. Didn't go to the Leinster final this year. I used to go to all 4 quarter finals and semis no matter who was involved but haven't the last few years.

This year the only championship matches I'll attend in Leinster will be in my home town of navan. I won't pay the costs of travelling.

I'll probably attend any qualifier/super 8 matches meath get to though. I'll be going to all league matches but I can see a stage in future where I won't go to any championship matches at all.

The days of meath playing a truly amateur Dublin team in Leinster are long gone. That's what made the province what it was.

kyote00 wrote: »

Interesting figures from the 2018 GAA annual report.

In 2018 the GAA actually tried to address the gap yet Dublin still get 1 million more then meath in development grants. Ye no bother lads we'll get our house in order and should be back beating ye any year now. This is why I'm losing interest. There was a time when our counties were treated as equals by the GAA. Those days are dead.

TrueGael

rm75 wrote: »

Embarassing thread that the mods should close.

Congratulations to the greatest team of all all time on their historic achievement. Truly an honour to have witnessed them achieve it.

Avoid the thread, simple

RugbyLover123

rm75 wrote: »

You have no points. You've simply identified one factor and tried to exhaggerate its impact while ignoring all other factors.

You are simply trying to undermine the achievments of a truly exceptional team. Why demean myself by engaging with such a bitter person. I pity you actually, being so consumed by hatred.

My points are

1. Dublin have by far a higher population then every other county
2. Dublin have received and receive significant investment both from the GAA and sponsorship then any other county.
3. Dublin play all their games in Croke Park. No new player coming in is fazed by the occasion because it’s the norm.
4. Other county players have to make sacrifices Dublin players don’t have to make in order to play. See me point regarding Chris Barrett and the Mayo players travelling for training.

That’s 4 points/advantages working in Dublin’s favour in a ‘amateur’ game, not 1 factor as you say. I’m sure your response to my points this time will be ‘congratulations to this Dublin team’ which I think will prove my points.

I’m not bitter, I like watching this Dublin team play, but I fear the game I once loved is dying, As one team has so much in their favour which I don’t see changing anytime soon. A game can not survive on maybe the hope of one team catching Dublin on an off day once every 3 years. I don’t know what the answer is unfortunately. I don’t think splitting Dublin is the answer either.

ClanofLams

Trey13 wrote: »

The funding of the Dublin intercounty team is not as disproportionate as the overall funding would suggest. Every senior intercounty team has as much backroom staff and gear and all the rest. If Dublin go onto win 7 of the next 10 all irelands then I could accept the ‘financial doping’ line. The funding since 2007 is probably spent on underage but the nucleus of the last 10 years would not have benefited from that. Even still the lads around 25 wouldn’t have either. Jim Gavin completely transformed the culture and mindset of Dublin football and it’s a pity that is being lost among these discussions

In fairness you have been the most reasonable Dublin poster on this topic and acknowledged advantages.

Most non Dublin posters have acknowledged this team and the quality of players they have. Certainly Cluxton McCaffrey Fenton etc are contenders for the greatest footballers of all time.

Happy to give Gavin credit also, he’s clearly an excellent manager.

But the impact of funding cant be ignored and the disparity started well before 2007. Any time it has been examined it has been clearly shown funding is a significant factor that affects outcomes. That is the purpose of funding. There is no reason why GAA should be somehow unique and denying funding as a factor flies in the face of logic.


I have no problem with Dublin getting more either, they should it has the largest population so the most kids to target etc.

But the discrepancy in funding is ridiculous, Dublin getting thirteen times what Cork get is ludicrous. From a quick look at the 18 figures it seems that figure is now only 6 times what Cork get which is still way too high but a move in the right direction at least I suppose.

Hammer Archer

A note: if you don't like this thread, don't post in it. No one is forcing you to read it and no one is forcing you to participate in it.

TrueGael

Amen

RoyalCelt

Another layer added to the dominance today. The ladies have now done 3 in a row and who will stop them over the next 5 years?

blanch152

ClanofLams wrote: »

In fairness you have been the most reasonable Dublin poster on this topic and acknowledged advantages.

Most non Dublin posters have acknowledged this team and the quality of players they have. Certainly Cluxton McCaffrey Fenton etc are contenders for the greatest footballers of all time.

Happy to give Gavin credit also, he’s clearly an excellent manager.

But the impact of funding cant be ignored and the disparity started well before 2007. Any time it has been examined it has been clearly shown funding is a significant factor that affects outcomes. That is the purpose of funding. There is no reason why GAA should be somehow unique and denying funding as a factor flies in the face of logic.


I have no problem with Dublin getting more either, they should it has the largest population so the most kids to target etc.

But the discrepancy in funding is ridiculous, Dublin getting thirteen times what Cork get is ludicrous. From a quick look at the 18 figures it seems that figure is now only 6 times what Cork get which is still way too high but a move in the right direction at least I suppose.

Except we have been through this many times already. Funding to get kids to play GAA is not funding directed at a senior inter-county team, so the analogies with other sports are not relevant and the case that the funding led to Dublin success is at best unproven.

When you look at the facts that population size and tradition will always mean that Dublin are competitive, then combined with two exceptional groups of Under-21s and one of the greatest managers of all time, you end up with a team that scraped a win in 2011 becoming the greatest of all time.

It is as simple as that.

kyote00

Any idea what Meath did with the ~350k for Games development

Anyone know what the team expenese are?
Galway has 513k in team expenses (WTF)

Longford got 1.5m

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I'm winding down already. Didn't go to the Leinster final this year. I used to go to all 4 quarter finals and semis no matter who was involved but haven't the last few years.

This year the only championship matches I'll attend in Leinster will be in my home town of navan. I won't pay the costs of travelling.

I'll probably attend any qualifier/super 8 matches meath get to though. I'll be going to all league matches but I can see a stage in future where I won't go to any championship matches at all.

The days of meath playing a truly amateur Dublin team in Leinster are long gone. That's what made the province what it was.


In 2018 the GAA actually tried to address the gap yet Dublin still get 1 million more then meath in development grants. Ye no bother lads we'll get our house in order and should be back beating ye any year now. This is why I'm losing interest. There was a time when our counties were treated as equals by the GAA. Those days are dead.

blanch152

TrueGael wrote: »

Dont look now but the AIG mob are on their way to another bought trophy on their home ground as we speak

Another golden generation, gee whizz what a coincidence!!!!!!!

It is really funny seeing people crying and whinging about Dublin dominance, soon after Cork won 10 out of 11.

kyote00

What are the other counties spending the 'player expenses' and development funds on then ?

TrueGael wrote: »

You are in a Pale bubble if you think any one else (let alone all 31) have Juggernaut backroom teams assembled. The superclubs would be on a par resource wise with any other county

If ye had to pay for all those professional coaches as opposed to us doing it, there wouldn't be as much to splurge on the IC setup- thats why it matters- it removes another burden

ClanofLams

blanch152 wrote: »

Except we have been through this many times already. Funding to get kids to play GAA is not funding directed at a senior inter-county team, so the analogies with other sports are not relevant and the case that the funding led to Dublin success is at best unproven.

When you look at the facts that population size and tradition will always mean that Dublin are competitive, then combined with two exceptional groups of Under-21s and one of the greatest managers of all time, you end up with a team that scraped a win in 2011 becoming the greatest of all time.

It is as simple as that.

Funding to get kids to play, funding for u-14 development squads etc all obviously helps the future senior team in getting kids interested and keeping them interested. Coaching makes them better players, etc

To repeat I have no problem with that, it’s a good thing but the funding discrepancy is unjustifiable particularly given Dublin are presumably wisely investing some of their commercial income on top of centralised funding.

Yes Dublin should always be competive but they have never before been this dominant in men’s and women’s football. They have been more competitive over the last decade in hurling than sixty years, winning a League and Leinster title. I’m not a big believer in coincidence and it’s evident funding is a significant factor in Dublin’s improved fortunes across grades.

kyote00

Given the number of clubs registered in Dublin and Cork, the swing in funding doesnt seem all that bad

TrueGael

kyote00 wrote: »

Given the number of clubs registered in Dublin and Cork, the swing in funding doesnt seem all that bad

So Cork getting 1/16th of the funding despite having more clubs is fair?

You shouldn't have posted that, only exposing the ugly truth

ClanofLams

kyote00 wrote: »

Any idea what Meath did with the ~350k for Games development

Anyone know what the team expenese are?
Galway has 513k in team expenses (WTF)

Longford got 1.5m

Dublin spent around three hundred and twenty k on team expenses.

Galway had two Leinster hurling finals, two all Ireland hurling semi finals, all Ireland football semi final, hurling final, super 8s.

That’s a lot more travel accommodation etc than Dublin required.

kyote00

the AIG deal is worth about 800k a year

ClanofLams wrote: »

To repeat I have no problem with that, it’s a good thing but the funding discrepancy is unjustifiable particularly given Dublin are presumably wisely investing some of their commercial income on top of centralised funding.

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kyote00

500k on travel - pull the other one !

ClanofLams wrote: »

Dublin spent around three hundred and twenty k on team expenses.

Galway had two Leinster hurling finals, two all Ireland hurling semi finals, all Ireland football semi final, hurling final, super 8s.

That’s a lot more travel accommodation etc than Dublin required.

ClanofLams

kyote00 wrote: »

500k on travel - pull the other one !

To be clear I have no idea what team expenses are comprised of. Is it just senior teams or what? Does it include manager ‘expenses’ yeah?

I was just pointing out (on the basis of it being senior teams only) that Galway hurlers reached the All Ireland final (having two replays en route) and the footballers the semi final whereas Dublin were out of the hurling at Leinster championship stage the gap doesn’t seem that ridiculous as Dublin must incur very little expense for games in Croker.

Happyilylost

Adult expenses include all levels including minor. Not sure if this has changed with the minor going to u17. Galway are suffering from their own "success". Teams at all levels Male and female are going deep in competitions. Yet we have one main sponsor funding it all. Top that off with an incompetent county board and money literally been stolen from the gate has put Galway finances in a very precarious situation. Not sure why anyone would question Galways expenses being they're probably the strongest dual county at the moment.

TrueGael

ClanofLams wrote: »

To be clear I have no idea what team expenses are comprised of. Is it just senior teams or what? Does it include manager ‘expenses’ yeah?

I was just pointing out (on the basis of it being senior teams only) that Galway hurlers reached the All Ireland final (having two replays en route) and the footballers the semi final whereas Dublin were out of the hurling at Leinster championship stage the gap doesn’t seem that ridiculous as Dublin must incur very little expense for games in Croker.

Plus the fact all their players are based in the Pale and not dispersed throughout the country

kyote00

But 500k seems excessive.... I wonder did they fly up to some matches ? Or did they play in New York ?

ClanofLams wrote: »

To be clear I have no idea what team expenses are comprised of. Is it just senior teams or what? Does it include manager ‘expenses’ yeah?

I was just pointing out (on the basis of it being senior teams only) that Galway hurlers reached the All Ireland final (having two replays en route) and the footballers the semi final whereas Dublin were out of the hurling at Leinster championship stage the gap doesn’t seem that ridiculous as Dublin must incur very little expense for games in Croker.

odyssey06

Worth a re-mention.

All match expenses such as travel and accomodation are reimbursed by GAA for All Ireland series games.
No county should be out of pocket for them.

Bonniedog

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Embarrassing stuff from Dublin fans failing to admit they benefit from extreme advantages in their favour. I think the fact they have no other real response to the facts other then ‘stop whinging’ or ‘sore losers’ says it all.

You are fanboy of some English soccer team.

Go back to your couch. Your only interest in GAA is obviously hatred of Dublin.

The Lost Sheep

kyote00 wrote: »

But 500k seems excessive.... I wonder did they fly up to some matches? Or did they play in New York?

They didnt play in New York but had senior footballers in all ireland semi, minor and senior hurling in all ireland finals etc etc
How is 500k excessive considering successes like above as well as players distributed across country and taking that into account etc

Happyilylost

odyssey06 wrote:

All match expenses such as travel and accomodation are reimbursed by GAA for All Ireland series games. No county should be out of pocket for them.

Have you got a link to this? Not saying your wrong but it's just interesting. Why would end of year reports have these expenses listed if they were getting the money back. Only reason I ask is both our minors (Galway) wanted to stay in Dublin the night of their All Ireland's and both were refused due to cost. If it was getting refunded its mean thing to do to a bunch of kids.