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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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Discussion of all matters relating to this contentious subject is welcome and the potential implications of same.This thread is solely for this purpose.

There appears to be a perception that the moderators are attempting to shut down discussion of this topic and direct same off to a low traffic stickied thread.Nothing could be further from the truth.Our sole motive was to confine discussion to a single thread and prevent cross thread posting which was adversely affecting the enjoyment of fellow posters.

Can we please keep posts civil and constructive in nature.

The Changes in the GAA-super thread is now for discussion of all other suggested reforms not relating to Dublin GAA.

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kyote00

the AIG deal is worth about 800k a year

ClanofLams wrote: »

To repeat I have no problem with that, it’s a good thing but the funding discrepancy is unjustifiable particularly given Dublin are presumably wisely investing some of their commercial income on top of centralised funding.

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ClanofLams

kyote00 wrote: »

Any idea what Meath did with the ~350k for Games development

Anyone know what the team expenese are?
Galway has 513k in team expenses (WTF)

Longford got 1.5m

Dublin spent around three hundred and twenty k on team expenses.

Galway had two Leinster hurling finals, two all Ireland hurling semi finals, all Ireland football semi final, hurling final, super 8s.

That’s a lot more travel accommodation etc than Dublin required.

TrueGael

kyote00 wrote: »

Given the number of clubs registered in Dublin and Cork, the swing in funding doesnt seem all that bad

So Cork getting 1/16th of the funding despite having more clubs is fair?

You shouldn't have posted that, only exposing the ugly truth

kyote00

Given the number of clubs registered in Dublin and Cork, the swing in funding doesnt seem all that bad

ClanofLams

blanch152 wrote: »

Except we have been through this many times already. Funding to get kids to play GAA is not funding directed at a senior inter-county team, so the analogies with other sports are not relevant and the case that the funding led to Dublin success is at best unproven.

When you look at the facts that population size and tradition will always mean that Dublin are competitive, then combined with two exceptional groups of Under-21s and one of the greatest managers of all time, you end up with a team that scraped a win in 2011 becoming the greatest of all time.

It is as simple as that.

Funding to get kids to play, funding for u-14 development squads etc all obviously helps the future senior team in getting kids interested and keeping them interested. Coaching makes them better players, etc

To repeat I have no problem with that, it’s a good thing but the funding discrepancy is unjustifiable particularly given Dublin are presumably wisely investing some of their commercial income on top of centralised funding.

Yes Dublin should always be competive but they have never before been this dominant in men’s and women’s football. They have been more competitive over the last decade in hurling than sixty years, winning a League and Leinster title. I’m not a big believer in coincidence and it’s evident funding is a significant factor in Dublin’s improved fortunes across grades.

kyote00

What are the other counties spending the 'player expenses' and development funds on then ?

TrueGael wrote: »

You are in a Pale bubble if you think any one else (let alone all 31) have Juggernaut backroom teams assembled. The superclubs would be on a par resource wise with any other county

If ye had to pay for all those professional coaches as opposed to us doing it, there wouldn't be as much to splurge on the IC setup- thats why it matters- it removes another burden

blanch152

TrueGael wrote: »

Dont look now but the AIG mob are on their way to another bought trophy on their home ground as we speak

Another golden generation, gee whizz what a coincidence!!!!!!!

It is really funny seeing people crying and whinging about Dublin dominance, soon after Cork won 10 out of 11.

kyote00

Any idea what Meath did with the ~350k for Games development

Anyone know what the team expenese are?
Galway has 513k in team expenses (WTF)

Longford got 1.5m

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I'm winding down already. Didn't go to the Leinster final this year. I used to go to all 4 quarter finals and semis no matter who was involved but haven't the last few years.

This year the only championship matches I'll attend in Leinster will be in my home town of navan. I won't pay the costs of travelling.

I'll probably attend any qualifier/super 8 matches meath get to though. I'll be going to all league matches but I can see a stage in future where I won't go to any championship matches at all.

The days of meath playing a truly amateur Dublin team in Leinster are long gone. That's what made the province what it was.

In 2018 the GAA actually tried to address the gap yet Dublin still get 1 million more then meath in development grants. Ye no bother lads we'll get our house in order and should be back beating ye any year now. This is why I'm losing interest. There was a time when our counties were treated as equals by the GAA. Those days are dead.

blanch152

ClanofLams wrote: »

In fairness you have been the most reasonable Dublin poster on this topic and acknowledged advantages.

Most non Dublin posters have acknowledged this team and the quality of players they have. Certainly Cluxton McCaffrey Fenton etc are contenders for the greatest footballers of all time.

Happy to give Gavin credit also, he’s clearly an excellent manager.

But the impact of funding cant be ignored and the disparity started well before 2007. Any time it has been examined it has been clearly shown funding is a significant factor that affects outcomes. That is the purpose of funding. There is no reason why GAA should be somehow unique and denying funding as a factor flies in the face of logic.

I have no problem with Dublin getting more either, they should it has the largest population so the most kids to target etc.

But the discrepancy in funding is ridiculous, Dublin getting thirteen times what Cork get is ludicrous. From a quick look at the 18 figures it seems that figure is now only 6 times what Cork get which is still way too high but a move in the right direction at least I suppose.

Except we have been through this many times already. Funding to get kids to play GAA is not funding directed at a senior inter-county team, so the analogies with other sports are not relevant and the case that the funding led to Dublin success is at best unproven.

When you look at the facts that population size and tradition will always mean that Dublin are competitive, then combined with two exceptional groups of Under-21s and one of the greatest managers of all time, you end up with a team that scraped a win in 2011 becoming the greatest of all time.

It is as simple as that.

RoyalCelt

Another layer added to the dominance today. The ladies have now done 3 in a row and who will stop them over the next 5 years?

TrueGael

Amen

Hammer Archer

A note: if you don't like this thread, don't post in it. No one is forcing you to read it and no one is forcing you to participate in it.

ClanofLams

Trey13 wrote: »

The funding of the Dublin intercounty team is not as disproportionate as the overall funding would suggest. Every senior intercounty team has as much backroom staff and gear and all the rest. If Dublin go onto win 7 of the next 10 all irelands then I could accept the ‘financial doping’ line. The funding since 2007 is probably spent on underage but the nucleus of the last 10 years would not have benefited from that. Even still the lads around 25 wouldn’t have either. Jim Gavin completely transformed the culture and mindset of Dublin football and it’s a pity that is being lost among these discussions

In fairness you have been the most reasonable Dublin poster on this topic and acknowledged advantages.

Most non Dublin posters have acknowledged this team and the quality of players they have. Certainly Cluxton McCaffrey Fenton etc are contenders for the greatest footballers of all time.

Happy to give Gavin credit also, he’s clearly an excellent manager.

But the impact of funding cant be ignored and the disparity started well before 2007. Any time it has been examined it has been clearly shown funding is a significant factor that affects outcomes. That is the purpose of funding. There is no reason why GAA should be somehow unique and denying funding as a factor flies in the face of logic.

I have no problem with Dublin getting more either, they should it has the largest population so the most kids to target etc.

But the discrepancy in funding is ridiculous, Dublin getting thirteen times what Cork get is ludicrous. From a quick look at the 18 figures it seems that figure is now only 6 times what Cork get which is still way too high but a move in the right direction at least I suppose.

RugbyLover123

rm75 wrote: »

You have no points. You've simply identified one factor and tried to exhaggerate its impact while ignoring all other factors.

You are simply trying to undermine the achievments of a truly exceptional team. Why demean myself by engaging with such a bitter person. I pity you actually, being so consumed by hatred.

My points are

1. Dublin have by far a higher population then every other county
2. Dublin have received and receive significant investment both from the GAA and sponsorship then any other county.
3. Dublin play all their games in Croke Park. No new player coming in is fazed by the occasion because it’s the norm.
4. Other county players have to make sacrifices Dublin players don’t have to make in order to play. See me point regarding Chris Barrett and the Mayo players travelling for training.

That’s 4 points/advantages working in Dublin’s favour in a ‘amateur’ game, not 1 factor as you say. I’m sure your response to my points this time will be ‘congratulations to this Dublin team’ which I think will prove my points.

I’m not bitter, I like watching this Dublin team play, but I fear the game I once loved is dying, As one team has so much in their favour which I don’t see changing anytime soon. A game can not survive on maybe the hope of one team catching Dublin on an off day once every 3 years. I don’t know what the answer is unfortunately. I don’t think splitting Dublin is the answer either.

TrueGael

rm75 wrote: »

Embarassing thread that the mods should close.

Congratulations to the greatest team of all all time on their historic achievement. Truly an honour to have witnessed them achieve it.

Avoid the thread, simple

RoyalCelt

risteard7 wrote: »

Stop supporting the GAA until it's fair game, simple as that.

I'm winding down already. Didn't go to the Leinster final this year. I used to go to all 4 quarter finals and semis no matter who was involved but haven't the last few years.

This year the only championship matches I'll attend in Leinster will be in my home town of navan. I won't pay the costs of travelling.

I'll probably attend any qualifier/super 8 matches meath get to though. I'll be going to all league matches but I can see a stage in future where I won't go to any championship matches at all.

The days of meath playing a truly amateur Dublin team in Leinster are long gone. That's what made the province what it was.

kyote00 wrote: »

Interesting figures from the 2018 GAA annual report.

In 2018 the GAA actually tried to address the gap yet Dublin still get 1 million more then meath in development grants. Ye no bother lads we'll get our house in order and should be back beating ye any year now. This is why I'm losing interest. There was a time when our counties were treated as equals by the GAA. Those days are dead.

TrueGael

Trey13 wrote: »

The funding of the Dublin intercounty team is not as disproportionate as the overall funding would suggest. Every senior intercounty team has as much backroom staff and gear and all the rest. If Dublin go onto win 7 of the next 10 all irelands then I could accept the ‘financial doping’ line. The funding since 2007 is probably spent on underage but the nucleus of the last 10 years would not have benefited from that. Even still the lads around 25 wouldn’t have either. Jim Gavin completely transformed the culture and mindset of Dublin football and it’s a pity that is being lost among these discussions

You are in a Pale bubble if you think any one else (let alone all 31) have Juggernaut backroom teams assembled. The superclubs would be on a par resource wise with any other county

If ye had to pay for all those professional coaches as opposed to us doing it, there wouldn't be as much to splurge on the IC setup- thats why it matters- it removes another burden

rm75

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Again, your response doesn’t address the points I’ve raised. You have no come back to them again, other then to try pick holes in me as a person. Which I think tells me all I need to know.

You have no points. You've simply identified one factor and tried to exhaggerate its impact while ignoring all other factors.

You are simply trying to undermine the achievments of a truly exceptional team. Why demean myself by engaging with such a bitter person. I pity you actually, being so consumed by hatred.

odyssey06

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

The dublin hurling team were absolutely muck when I was growing up now they are competing with Kilkenny and beating Galway. It’s only a matter of time before they win Liam. They also aren’t as dominant as the Gaelic team as hurling wasn’t or hasn’t been as popular in Dublin as Gaelic, but now with it growing its only a matter of time before they become an even stronger and dominant force in hurling.

Great. Hurling needs another competitive team and should have a presence in the capital city. Its gone from half the country.
Dunno why Dublin arent allowed to improve as a hurling power...they can replace Offaly.

In the late 80s Dublin were a Division 1 hurling team and reached 2 Leinster Finals. No reason why a generation later they shouldnt be giving top teams a game.

Trey13

The funding of the Dublin intercounty team is not as disproportionate as the overall funding would suggest. Every senior intercounty team has as much backroom staff and gear and all the rest. If Dublin go onto win 7 of the next 10 all irelands then I could accept the ‘financial doping’ line. The funding since 2007 is probably spent on underage but the nucleus of the last 10 years would not have benefited from that. Even still the lads around 25 wouldn’t have either. Jim Gavin completely transformed the culture and mindset of Dublin football and it’s a pity that is being lost among these discussions

odyssey06

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Embarrassing stuff from Dublin fans failing to admit they benefit from extreme advantages in their favour. I think the fact they have no other real response to the facts other then ‘stop whinging’ or ‘sore losers’ says it all.

It appears you havent even bothered to read the whole thread yet feel no qualms about lobbing fake facts into it.

Also lets be honest, not all but a sizable number of the split Dublin mob are motivated by that. Nothing to do with logic or balance in the GAA just good old fashioned sore losers.

Dublin has advantages and disadvantages. So do other counties.
No other county has the home of rugby and soccer in it.
How many GAA clubs are there in D1 D2 D4 D6?
How many GAA pitches?
Whats the price of a new GAA pitch and clubhouse in Dublin city versus anywhere else?
How many people living in Dublin dont even support Dublin when they go to Croke Park?
How many dont even know what GAA is?

Dublin are the greatest football team in GAA history.
No other team in history has matched the accomplishments of this team. Fact.

RugbyLover123

rm75 wrote: »

I'd say you gave your teacher some great excuses for not doing your homework!

Again, your response doesn’t address the points I’ve raised. You have no come back to them again, other then to try pick holes in me as a person. Which I think tells me all I need to know.

RoyalCelt

salmocab wrote: »

Pretty sure I remember donegal training in the mornings years ago for a bit.

And that resulted in their panel utterly burning out. A shadow of themselves the next year and after their 2014 run never hit those heights again. I don't see any sign of Fenton burning out after 5 Sam's and 7 finals. If anything he looks to be getting stronger. Different ball game in the capital.

The White Wolf

Financial doping in GAA.....heard it all now.

TrueGael

Dont look now but the AIG mob are on their way to another bought trophy on their home ground as we speak

Another golden generation, gee whizz what a coincidence!!!!!!!

MayoAreMagic

selassie wrote: »

even if they reduced Dublin's funding ten fold they'd just moan about our population size, and if we split up Dublin they'd moan that it's always one of the Dublin sides winning it.

Sounds like you are having a good moan yourself there...
Lets split them and find out who starts moaning, shall we?

JeffKenna

rm75 wrote: »

JeffKenna wrote: »

To be honest it's the players I feel more sorry for. Seem like a genuinely nice group of lads and are undoubtly very talented. However their achievements will be forever associated with financial doping.

Only in the eyes of whingers and moaners and no offence but who cares what those losers think.

Congratulations to the greatest team of all time.

I'd say you gave your teacher some great excuses for not doing your homework!

rm75

JeffKenna wrote: »

To be honest it's the players I feel more sorry for. Seem like a genuinely nice group of lads and are undoubtly very talented. However their achievements will be forever associated with financial doping.

Only in the eyes of whingers and moaners and no offence but who cares what those losers think.

Congratulations to the greatest team of all time.

JeffKenna

To be honest it's the players I feel more sorry for. Seem like a genuinely nice group of lads and are undoubtly very talented. However their achievements will be forever associated with financial doping.

rm75

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Not that they have by far the biggest population, by far the most investment and always having home advantage? Ok.

I'd say you gave your teacher some great excuses for not doing your homework!