The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131913#Comment_122131913

Yes it's merely coincidence.

Do enlighten me.

windy shepard henderson

Enlighten you ? How can countries like Derry go from division 4 to division 1 win multiple Ulster titles ect..

If Dublin were not in Leinster Kildare and Meath would still have there hands full with the likes of Louth and Westmeath

Two counties with great traditions but have let their own standards drop massively from 20 years ago

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122131791#Comment_122131791

The GAA reinvests 83% of the annual 140M revenue they make. If you want to make money from sport play something else. It's staying amateur and rightly so.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132483#Comment_122132483

tell it to these guys

https://www.offtheball.com/football/gaa-executive-pay-croke-park-averaged-e125845-2019-965684

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132470#Comment_122132470

And which province are Derry in?

Dublin have won the last 14 Leinster titles. The previous 14 were won by 6 different counties. Why do you think that was? And what has changed in the intervening years?

windy shepard henderson

Meath or Kildare have barley managed to hold division 1 status for more then a year at a time since it was restructured in 2008

They are supposed to be the big guns in Leinster if they can't maintain division 1 football how would they be expected to win a provincial title

Derry went from division 4 to division 1 won back to back titles in a much tougher championship and beat Dublin on there own patch in the league final this year

Thae harsh reality is it has nothing to do with Dublin it's a massive drop in standards in two great football counties and it's not just then , Offaly and laois have both gone backwards too

None of them counties are producing the same type of players they were producing 20 years ago

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132567#Comment_122132567

That's part of the 17% and they're the reason revenue is so high.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133711#Comment_122133711

Leinster counties being dominated by Dublin for so long sucked the life out of them.

If Dublin were doing likewise in Ulster it would severely damage counties and crowds there too. Imagine the negative effect of Dublin winning 19/20 Ulster's with no end in sight.

Trampas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132334#Comment_122132334

I heard someone say either 21/23k at ht under the stand. I didn’t hear it announced

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134017#Comment_122134017

hmm, I’d say you could do an Elon musk in Twitter on those executives and very little impact would be seen on revenue. 1.7 million for executives. I’d love to know what they do in an organization which largely runs itself.

The players for the elite counties are what’s really indispensable to the revenue of the association.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134099#Comment_122134099

The player's leave someone else takes their place. You should probably looked into what they. Some very important professional roles for GAA staff.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135507#Comment_122135507

is there a site on GAA.ie showing who they are and what they do. It’s not easy to find.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135571#Comment_122135571

I seen a report a few years ago.

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133711#Comment_122133711

And which province are Meath, Kildare, Offaly and Laois from? What is the common denominator here?

You are actually backing up my argument.

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122133111#Comment_122133111

if Leinster were the only province with that issue you might have a point. The reality is the idea of a provincial hegemony has been part of the GAA for over a century. The business model for Munster has shown (unsurprisingly) that not having to work too hard in the provincials and being fresh for the AI business end is an advantage.

“fixing” Dublin won’t fix anything while the GAA fails to address the longer and larger inequity that it suffers from. To be fair to the Leinster council they’ve made real attempts to extend the Dublin model and help teams develop (and to be fair it’s also no surprise they started with Dublin given both the possible impact of GAA dying in Dublin and the sorry state it was in). It really is naivety to argue that the other Leinster counties are doing all they can when you see how readily they fold more generally. It’s not even that they haven’t been given resources

the gaa have two choices really. Make the game competitive across all provinces and develop all counties or ditch provincials and go with a league style structure. Splits will fix nothing given most of Leinster doesn’t even punch at their own weight at the moment and hasn’t done so since well before Dublins rise in most cases

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134021#Comment_122134021

your own county last appeared in an AI final in 2001, last won a league 30 odd years ago. Last reached a league final 20 odd years ago. They’ve been good enough to reach provincial finals 5 times in the last 15 years and in spite of that they haven’t made too much progress on the business end of the AI. Run into a Munster county and their goose is cooked. Your population is growing in double digit figures census to census so it’s not for want of players.

Kildare are even worse at the business end of the AI in spite of 4 provincial finals in the last 15 years.
The same pattern holds for most of Leinster.Leinster as a province has underperformed in the last 30 years (and arguably for longer). Take Kerry and Dublin out and of the mix and looking at semi finals this century Ulster have 26 Connacht have 15, Munster have 10. Leinster have 5!

Even by the most optimistic accounting that desperate set of statistics precedes the Dublin funding and certainly precedes any effect that could be attributed to it.

maybe Dublin aren’t the problem here.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122137430#Comment_122137430

do you not realise they are other competitions as well ? what's stopping them from using the national league as a spring board , only meath are going to be top 16 next year , 3 of them counties are in the all ireland b competition , they are placed there on their national league record , not leinster, and with the new all ireland series it gives teams like meath a new lease of life to challenge for all irelands

both meath and kildare reached division one and nearly every year after were relegated , none of this is Dublin's fault its the fact these counties are not producing the same level of talent as 20 years ago , dublin have won 63 leinster championships , kilkenny have won 75 in hurling yet the hurling championship is far more competitive

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134021#Comment_122134021

come on i am form clare for godsake kerry have won nearly 90 munster titles , and we are on the same level nearly as meath or kildare , given the size of pick both counties have over the likes of us surely they should be doing better then where they are , at least at national league and all ireland series level

in 2009 meath were in an all ireland semi final and went damn close to wining it , kildare got to the final the following year , as soon as dublin won an all ireland it seems like everyone in leinster wilted , both teams ended up in divison 3 quickly afterwards and both had a fair bit of trouble at county board level that didn't help

if its a mindset issue its something that can be changed quickly enough , but i don't think they are producing enough of the same quality players as they were up until 2010 to challenge at the very top again

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138993#Comment_122138993

In that time that Dublin won their 14 Leinster titles - 3 teams have won Connaught, 4 or 5 Ulster and 3 Munster.

But yea Dublin aren't the problem.

Keep your head in the sand.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139619#Comment_122139619

When you see the number of and size of the clubs in Dublin Vs Kildare and Meath coupled with the domination of Leinster it's no surprise they gave up.

DubCount

There is a significant gap between the top 10 teams in the country (Division 1 and very top of Division 2), and the rest. Dublin are the only Leinster team in the top 10. Top 10 teams will win most of the provincial championships and make up at least 7 of the AI quarter finalists. If you replaced Dublin with Kerry, Mayo or Galway in the Leinster Championship, they'd be winning every year as well.

Hurling realised a long time ago that sending Wicklow out to play Kilkenny in a Leinster Championship was pointless for teams/supporters/anyone else that might be interested. Football needs to go the same way. Have just 2 provincial championships (Ulster & Rest of Ireland) and only include Division 1 & 2 teams. Have separate competitions for Division 3 and 4 teams.

Meath and Louth had excellent u20 teams this year. If they progress and are playing Division 2 or above, then they play for a "provincial" title. Otherwise, they are play competitive matches against those of a similar standard.

Sport is at its best when nobody knows the result before the game starts !!

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139594#Comment_122139594

Using the league as a spring board? For what exactly? Everyone knows it's the championship is where it's at. Without googling very few could tell you who won the National football League in 1995. Everyone knows who won Sam.

It's amazing how Meath and Kildare can produce the talent at minor and u20/21 level yet can't transition it to senior.

For the record there are 11 counties competing in the LeinSter Football Championship. There are 4 or 5 competing in the hurling. That includes a Connaught county. It's like comparing apples with oranges.

windy shepard henderson

No but the standard is much higher in division 1 which puts teams in a much better place come championship

Monaghan, Roscommon and Galway massively improved over the years with the more time they spent in the division

Division 1 is a higher standard then the current Leinster championship Dublin aside

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139992#Comment_122139992

Tell me, do you not get even a little embarrassed implying Munster is competitive there. You know, when you realise Kerry have won 12 out of 14 in the years in question.

I mean at least Connacht is generally a two team carve up between Galway and Mayo, with Roscommon also very occasionally popping their head up but implying Munster is fine is literally taking the piss.

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140591#Comment_122140591

Do you not get embarrassed suggesting that Dublin is not the problem in Leinster?

Those are all facts by the way. Not my opinion.

DubCount

For anyone suggesting league and Championship are un-related. Can you say when the last time a team outside Division 1/2 won an All Ireland?

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140816#Comment_122140816

all the facts demonstrate that the problem isn’t that Dublin are too strong- when measured against the full AI setup they’re eminently beatable. Mayo have come close to beating them at the business end of major competitions, Kerry, Derry and several others have beaten them. Outside of Leinster there’s plenty of teams that would consider themselves competitive against Dublin.

the issue is Leinster teams are too weak, and have been since long before Dublins dominance. The Leinster council to their credit are trying to develop other counties (something their counterparts in Munster could learn from), but realistically there’s an onus on the counties themselves to do their bit. There’s not much resources can do to help a team that folds like a cheap accordion at the first bit of pressure. I say that by the way knowing that Dublin were also there once and it was a change in mindset rather than simply money that got them over that.If Dublin were genuinely the issue we’d see far stronger performance in the league for example from Leinster counties

the GAA didn’t create a monster with Dublin, they already had one in the wider AI setup. Why some posters think a century of Kerry handing out trimmings, continuing to this day, is fine but Dublin need reined is says more about the posters biases than it does about any desire for a fairer competition

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140816#Comment_122140816

simple questions for you. Do you have any problem with Kerry winning 12 out of 14 in the years in question? Do you have a problem with Kerry having by far more provincial titles than any other county?

largepants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122143619#Comment_122143619

No. I have a problem with Dublin GAA receiving millions more per registered player than any other county from the GAA and Government. Since then they have won 14 Leinsters in a row and 9 AI titles. We were told at the time that it was a once in a generation team.

But I suppose thats all coincidence. 🙄

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145747#Comment_122145747

you see that’s the bigger issue that prevents progress in the GAA- the everything’s shite but at least we’re as shite as those around us mindset. You don’t seem to actually want Leinster counties to get better or to compete for AIs, you’ll be happy as long as all Leinster counties are equally shite and your own county has their snout in the trough.

it doesn’t matter to you that the problems in Leinster precede Dublins rise. it doesn’t matter to you what the Dublin funding was actually used for (and I don’t intend going back through this thread to point you to that long discussion). It doesn’t matter to you how the Leinster council are trying to develop the game in counties in the province.it doesn’t matter to you that there are systemic failing in teams in Leinster that could and should be addressed An odd provincial will keep you happy and who cares if the system has been fcuked since day 1. Sure why would the GAA or any team want to upset the natural order.

honestly, that’s just tragic