Rugby World Cup Warmups IRE vs ITA

Clegg

Strange game. I think the backs played well when they got the ball. Some some nice offloading, missed passes, running lines etc. The forwards were the bigger problem as they didn't play well as a unit and out the backs in good positions. Ruddock had a good game and was the pick of the pack.

I think Ringrose had a stellar game and was my motm. Offloaded, beat defenders and run lovely blocking lines. Conway and Carbery were very good too.

lawrencesummers

Shefwedfan wrote: »

JvDF and POM are not on the team

They are the specialists

What’s that got to do with anything?
Ruddock, TOD and Jordi should all be capable of putting more pressure on the ball at the breakdown, especially against this Italian pack.

Shefwedfan

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Conway is man of the match.

Hard to tell who had a great game but Conway didn’t really pop to mind

I thought Farrell done well....Ringrose etc

Shefwedfan

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What’s that got to do with anything?
Ruddock, TOD and Jordi should all be capable of putting more pressure on the ball at the breakdown, especially against this Italian pack.

They did...

One turnover doesn’t win a match....

Burkie1203

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Hard to tell who had a great game but Conway didn’t really pop to mind

I thought Farrell done well....Ringrose etc

Winners
Conway, Farrell, Beirne, Ruddock, John Ryan, Joey (injury aside) DK

Thought TOD Kleyn Jordi Luke Porter were poor enough

pc7

Thought Dave K did well too

Shefwedfan

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Winners
Conway, Farrell, Beirne, Ruddock, John Ryan, Joey (injury aside) DK

Thought TOD Kleyn Jordi Luke Porter were poor enough

I would like to see Kleyn to get another run...I think he done well for his debut and first time playing with Dev

I don’t think Beirne got long enough to class as a winner

lawrencesummers

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They did...

One turnover doesn’t win a match....

Doesn’t it? I was sure it did.

What’s ruddocks/ TOD & Jordis turnover stats for today’s game?

uptherebels

pc7 wrote: »

Thought Dave K did well too

Did what you would expect from a winger, nothing stand out.

Burkie1203

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would like to see Kleyn to get another run...I think he done well for his debut and first time playing with Dev

I don’t think Beirne got long enough to class as a winner

Kleyn was a bit meh. Beirne came in and made a few turnovers (albeit in backrow it still stood out)

Think it gives Beirnes chances a boost IMO.

joseywhales

Does Porter's versatility get him in the squad? There are not many props I've ever seen who can be part of a dominant scrum on both sides at test level.

Dog Botherer

Might have misheard but did the commentator on RTE say that Carbery was okay and that it was just a precaution? Hope so, he was having a great game.

Otherwise, Farrell, Conway, Ringrose, and Kearney stood out for me. Don’t think either of the McGrath’s, O’Donnell, or Kleyn staked much of a claim, although it’s hard to read much into such a nothing encounter.

pc7

Interesting to see how hard eng/wales go tomorrow

Clareman

Akrasia wrote: »

Conway MOTM. He did everything he could to get on the orient express

Why would he go on a train that doesn't go anywhere near Japan??? :pac::pac::pac:

dublinman1990

Here's a pic of Carbery being stretchered off today. The replays of him on Channel 4's match coverage of his injury looked really awful there.

He didn't deserve that today. He was fantastic out there on the pitch. Let's hope he get's to Japan.

shanagarry

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Winners
Conway, Farrell, Beirne, Ruddock, John Ryan, Joey (injury aside) DK

Thought TOD Kleyn Jordi Luke Porter were poor enough

TOD had a solid game imo, and put in a real shift. Kleyn did a lot of the grunt work. Toner for me was a yard off the pace.

Clegg

I don't think Jack Mc or Jordi played well tbh. They needed big games today. Yes they're still only warm up games. But you only have a few opportunities to impress.

Ruddock did his chances of making the squad a world of good. Probably at the expense of Murphy.

P.Walnuts

Don't really get his some saying Porter didn't do well, dominant scrum and decent around the park

molloyjh

I really have no idea what to make of that game. Lots of guys weren't either good or bad. In terms if who did themselves favours today, Beirne had a good cameo, Luke McGrath did fairly well, Farrell definitely made a case for himself and Dave Kearney. I don't think Jack McGrath will have been happy with that though. Nor Haley.

Wegians89

Conway and beirne for me were the two ones to really put up their hands. Chris Farrell also making it hard not to take him but do you really need four centers? Henshaw should get another run at 15.

Shefwedfan

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Doesn’t it? I was sure it did.

What’s ruddocks/ TOD & Jordis turnover stats for today’s game?

Seriously are we back into another months of Beirne Beirne Beirne....we not get bored during the 6 nations with it

He played in 6 nations and got hammered, as I posted let’s see if he can do it against a top team and then he should travel...a turn over against a second string tired Italy team is hardly anything to shout about

yerrahbah

https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/1160207872963371010

Heres hoping its just a sprain

ionadnapokot

It was a brutally bad performance. And fingers crossed for Carbery. He was the only ray of light.
Ringrose looked sharp and it was good to see him step in and get some passes away.

Honestly it was about what I expected. Maybe closer to 40 points for us but I'm not surprised or disappointed by the performance.

Wegians89

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Seriously are we back into another months of Beirne Beirne Beirne....we not get bored during the 6 nations with it

He played in 6 nations and got hammered, as I posted let’s see if he can do it against a top team and then he should travel...a turn over against a second string tired Italy team is hardly anything to shout about

Think he has a chance at making a good 6 internationally, especially with leavy not in the squad. He doesn’t do the basics of a second row. I think he’ll just get past rudduck as a 5/6 in the end squad

is_that_so

Wegians89 wrote: »

Conway and beirne for me were the two ones to really put up their hands. Chris Farrell also making it hard not to take him but do you really need four centers? Henshaw should get another run at 15.

It was a fairly indifferent performance and really a test to see who to drop. There were plenty on show here who could pass that test! Not sold on Beirne but he could do a job against "minnows". Ruddock is a solid backup to have and then there is Conway and Farrell. I think Dave Kearney may lose out along with some of the newbies in the pack.

AbusesToilets

Wegians89 wrote: »

Think he has a chance at making a good 6 internationally, especially with leavy not in the squad. He doesn’t do the basics of a second row. I think he’ll just get past rudduck as a 5/6 in the end squad

Ruddock a much better player than Beirne, and has a lot more experience to boot. Never seen much in Beirne to warrant the hype; he's far too lacking physically if nothing else.

mr_cochise

What a totally pointless game. 2nd string team out. Why warm up the reserves. The 1st team needs warming up.
Look at the line ups in all the other games, particularly in the Championship. We have a lot to worry about.

Wegians89

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Ruddock a much better player than Beirne, and has a lot more experience to boot. Never seen much in Beirne to warrant the hype; he's far too lacking physically if nothing else.

Think he’d be seen as less of a risk at second row though. I genuinely don’t get the hype around beirne either he’s extremely over hyped and just isn’t a good second row in my eyes but I just feel he’ll sneak in ahead of ruddock.

Flincher

Beirne's skill set is no use to Schmidt, especially in possession. Pivac's Scarlets looked to attack space and offload. Beirne shone in that style of play. Schmidt's plan of attack is literally the exact opposite of that. Munster are a wishy washy mix of both. It's no surprise Beirne hasn't been as prominent in possession since he came back to Ireland.

Exclamation Marc

Thornley reporting its just a bit of swelling. And the rest of the squad are relatively injury or knock free. Good news.

https://twitter.com/gerrythornley/status/1160215748851187715?s=19

Akrasia

Clareman wrote: »

Why would he go on a train that doesn't go anywhere near Japan??? :pac::pac::pac:

Sure he can hire a 7 seater and drive from Konstantinopel to Japan. In proper Irish World Cup style

Akrasia

Wegians89 wrote: »

Think he’d be seen as less of a risk at second row though. I genuinely don’t get the hype around beirne either he’s extremely over hyped and just isn’t a good second row in my eyes but I just feel he’ll sneak in ahead of ruddock.

Beirne won player of the year in the Pro14 before he moved to Munster. I watched a lot of those Scarlets games and he was unbelievably good. Whether he suits Schmits style of play is a debate. but he’s undeniably an extremely talented and hardworking player

Burkie1203

Akrasia wrote: »

Beirne won player of the year in the Pro14 before he moved to Munster. I watched a lot of those Scarlets games and he was unbelievably good. Whether he suits Schmits style of play is a debate. but he’s undeniably an extremely talented and hardworking player

It is possible we have the following travel

Toner Ryan Henderson
Beirne Ruddock
POM Stander VDF Conan

Wegians89

Burkie1203 wrote: »

It is possible we have the following travel

Toner Ryan Henderson
Beirne Ruddock
POM Stander VDF Conan

Personally think murphy would get in ahead of one of beirne/ruddock as he covers 7. I know you can make cases that Pom and ruddock have played 7 before but I don’t really like that idea.

lawrencesummers

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Seriously are we back into another months of Beirne Beirne Beirne....we not get bored during the 6 nations with it

He played in 6 nations and got hammered, as I posted let’s see if he can do it against a top team and then he should travel...a turn over against a second string tired Italy team is hardly anything to shout about

So none is it? The starting backrow turned over no ball against the Italians? That doesn’t say anything about Beirne, it just speaks volumes about the starting BR

Burkie1203

Wegians89 wrote: »

Personally think murphy would get in ahead of one of beirne/ruddock as he covers 7. I know you can make cases that Pom and ruddock have played 7 before but I don’t really like that idea.

Limitations of 31 man squad

joseywhales

I definitely think Beirne's best position is six, I don't think he has the power for test lock but he is unbelievably efficient around the breakdown obviously, decent defensive maul and a good secondary option at a lineout.

Wegians89

joseywhales wrote: »

I definitely think Beirne's best position is six, I don't think he has the power for test lock but he is unbelievably efficient around the breakdown obviously, decent defensive maul and a good secondary option at a lineout.

Essentially a very similar player to POM

joseywhales

Wegians89 wrote: »

Essentially a very similar player to POM

Yes except POM's special ability is his lineout timing and his unnatural spring.

While beirnes is reading and timing under resourced breakdowns.

I guess pick what is most important for a given game.

Faugheen

Both completely ineffective when the forwards are getting walloped too.

Shefwedfan

Faugheen wrote: »

Both completely ineffective when the forwards are getting walloped too.

That's why I think Klyen needs another run....

joseywhales

In fairness, very few players stand a chance when going backward, like maybe Furlong/Henderson can make a yard with negative momentum.

Shefwedfan

Imagine

Healy
Best
Furlong
Kleyn
Ryan
Henderson
Standar/VDF
Conan

Throw that up against SA and we could match them physically :-)

joseywhales

Ha, how about

Healy best furlong
Henderson ferris
Sob leamy wallace

All aged 26.

No lineouts but the opposition would run out of substitutes.

part time punk

joseywhales wrote: »

Ha, how about

Healy best furlong
Henderson ferris
Sob leamy wallace

All aged 26.

No lineouts but the opposition would run out of substitutes.

I miss Ferris

Shefwedfan

part time punk wrote: »

I miss Ferris

Everyone misses Ferris

Burkie1203

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Everyone misses Ferris

Will Genia doesn't agree

salmocab

Games like this are always odd, I think in general the pack went okay and the backs did quite well. There’s not a huge amount to learn from the first pre season game and apart from a couple of fringe lads putting a hand up I doubt Joe is going to have his judgements swayed by today.

Hobosan

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Will Genia doesn't agree

Incorrect. By all accounts Ferris swept him off his feet.