Garda shoots himself in the foot

shootemall

Oops !
He must not have attended a safety course in his local rfd

Grizzly 45

I'm sorry,but after listening to so many sanctiminious statements in district courts from Garda ballistics and cheif supers about only "qualified and well trained Army or Gardai should have access to large capacity high caliber handguns or "assault rifles"!" This is just too funny and a self fullfiling prophesy.:P:D:D:D:D:D:D

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/probe-launched-after-garda-accidentally-shoots-himself-in-the-foot-38327400.html

Cass

Zero trigger discipline.

MarkR

Shot while on duty. He'll be on the pigs back. Forgive the pun.

markad1

Reminds me of this

Grizzly 45

Or this
https://youtu.be/9AXSzybhZd0

shootemall

I imagine the stick he will get will be more painful
Than his “foot injury” (received in the line of duty of course)

Odyssey 2005

shootemall wrote: »

I imagine the stick he will get will be more painful
Than his “foot injury” (received in the line of duty of course)

I'm sure the compensation will dull the pain.

Shot himself in the foot in the car. F**k me.

Spinning about with his weapon cocked, eejit.

Auguste Comte

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Shot himself in the foot in the car. F**k me.

Spinning about with his weapon cocked, eejit.

Highly trained professional eejit.

mattser

Cass wrote: »

Zero trigger discipline.

Seeing as you're a shooting mod, would you care to elaborate on your curt reply.

shootemall

mattser wrote: »

Seeing as you're a shooting mod, would you care to elaborate on your curt reply.

Oh oh cass ur in big trouble now ,

Sparks

mattser wrote: »

Seeing as you're a shooting mod, would you care to elaborate on your curt reply.

"Finger on wood" is one of the first rules every civilian firearms owner learns, right after "The gun is always loaded". It's a corollary to the longer-winded rule that once fired, the shooter cannot stop or direct a bullet so you must always know where the barrel is pointing and you always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire (and you don't load the firearm until the last possible practical moment, but you also don't rely on your assumption that the chamber is empty).

You do not normally sit in a car with a loaded firearm in your hands, especially when specialist units have special storage facilities in the back of their marked vehicles, because doing so leads to negligent discharges like this one.

Precisely what happened would be very interesting to know; I have almost no doubt that we will never find out, in the same way that we will never find out the precise details of the actions of the garda from a specialist firearms unit who allegedly placed his firearm in said special storage in the vehicle whose open/closed status is displayed to the driver by indicator light, only for said loaded submachine gun to go bouncing down the road outside of the car without any warning, to be picked up by a member of the general public before the gardai could recover it, and subsequently hand it in at the nearest garda station.


And yes, we're being overly fussy about the standards we hold armed police to - they are armed police. Their firearms are intended to shoot people, members of the general public, a group which you and I are members of. It is in everyone's best interest to demand that AGS are held to a high standard, in the same way that AGS demand firearms owners are held to a high standard, but in this case we have more cause. Someone being injured by a civilian firearm is an astonishingly rare event in this country; but AGS firearms are actually intended to be used as weapons against other people. It's a greater level of risk and demands a higher standard.

mattser

Sparks wrote: »

"Finger on wood" is one of the first rules every civilian firearms owner learns, right after "The gun is always loaded". It's a corollary to the longer-winded rule that once fired, the shooter cannot stop or direct a bullet so you must always know where the barrel is pointing and you always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire (and you don't load the firearm until the last possible practical moment, but you also don't rely on your assumption that the chamber is empty).

You do not normally sit in a car with a loaded firearm in your hands, especially when specialist units have special storage facilities in the back of their marked vehicles, because doing so leads to negligent discharges like this one.

Precisely what happened would be very interesting to know; I have almost no doubt that we will never find out, in the same way that we will never find out the precise details of the actions of the garda from a specialist firearms unit who allegedly placed his firearm in said special storage in the vehicle whose open/closed status is displayed to the driver by indicator light, only for said loaded submachine gun to go bouncing down the road outside of the car without any warning, to be picked up by a member of the general public before the gardai could recover it, and subsequently hand it in at the nearest garda station.


And yes, we're being overly fussy about the standards we hold armed police to - they are armed police. Their firearms are intended to shoot people, members of the general public, a group which you and I are members of. It is in everyone's best interest to demand that AGS are held to a high standard, in the same way that AGS demand firearms owners are held to a high standard, but in this case we have more cause. Someone being injured by a civilian firearm is an astonishingly rare event in this country; but AGS firearms are actually intended to be used as weapons against other people. It's a greater level of risk and demands a higher standard.

Unless and until you do, you are only guessing.

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Shot himself in the foot in the car. F**k me.

Spinning about with his weapon cocked, eejit.

If you can't carry a weapon loaded and ready to fire, you shouldn't be carrying a weapon at all. Many police forces, including some Garda units, use striker-fired pistol where decocking isn't an option once loaded.

Sparks wrote: »

You do not normally sit in a car with a loaded firearm in your hands, especially when specialist units have special storage facilities in the back of their marked vehicles, because doing so leads to negligent discharges like this one.

Pistols are routinely carried on the body by plain-clothes Gardaí - you often see the telltale bulge under their jackets. I would hope they're carrying loaded, and ready to fire, otherwise they're not much use.

Sparks

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

If you can't carry a weapon loaded and ready to fire, you shouldn't be carrying a weapon at all.

First off, you do not walk around _all the time_ with a firearm loaded and ready to fire.
Secondly, that whole "condition one" nonsense is not standard practice in the majority of the world's police forces.
Thirdly, we're not talking about plain-clothes gardai, we're talking about a dedicated armed support unit that use marked cars and are in uniform.
Fourthly, we're talking about armed police who are trained to fire at members of the public, in urban areas, not on a firing range with danger areas and safeguards. Demanding higher standards isn't onerous, it's sensible.

shootemall

Gsoc will get to the bottom of this ,
I can’t see him getting in to much trouble it was obviously self defense.

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Sparks wrote: »

First off, you do not walk around _all the time_ with a firearm loaded and ready to fire.
Secondly, that whole "condition one" nonsense is not standard practice in the majority of the world's police forces.
Thirdly, we're not talking about plain-clothes gardai, we're talking about a dedicated armed support unit that use marked cars and are in uniform.
Fourthly, we're talking about armed police who are trained to fire at members of the public, in urban areas, not on a firing range with danger areas and safeguards. Demanding higher standards isn't onerous, it's sensible.

Garda weapons are always loaded when they're carried, and members of ASUs routinely carry their sidearms. I have never come across a member of a police force that carries a weapon unloaded - it does not happen.


SOPs vary on whether to carry with a round chambered, but anyone who carries a weapon should be capable of carrying a weapon with a round chambered safelty.



Obviously an ND is not up to standard. That's the issue - not that an armed Garda was in fact armed.

Sparks

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

Garda weapons are always loaded when they're carried, and members of ASUs routinely carry their sidearms. I have never come across a member of a police force that carries a weapon unloaded - it does not happen.

I think we are differing on whether or not it is normal for a Garda to go around _all the time_ with a round _in the chamber_. (Hence the "condition one" mention above)
Having rounds in the magazine with the bolt closed and an empty chamber (for fire-on-bolt-closed firearms) is a very different thing to having the safety catch be the one thing between you and a new hole in your boot.

SOPs vary on whether to carry with a round chambered, but anyone who carries a weapon should be capable of carrying a weapon with a round chambered safelty.

We are, thankfully, nowhere near the level of mayhem and anarchy that would justify Gardai walking around with a loaded firearm with a round chambered _all the time_. It's Dublin, not Mega City One.

meathstevie

Sparks wrote: »

"Finger on wood" is one of the first rules every civilian firearms owner learns, right after "The gun is always loaded". It's a corollary to the longer-winded rule that once fired, the shooter cannot stop or direct a bullet so you must always know where the barrel is pointing and you always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire (and you don't load the firearm until the last possible practical moment, but you also don't rely on your assumption that the chamber is empty).

You do not normally sit in a car with a loaded firearm in your hands, especially when specialist units have special storage facilities in the back of their marked vehicles, because doing so leads to negligent discharges like this one.

Precisely what happened would be very interesting to know; I have almost no doubt that we will never find out, in the same way that we will never find out the precise details of the actions of the garda from a specialist firearms unit who allegedly placed his firearm in said special storage in the vehicle whose open/closed status is displayed to the driver by indicator light, only for said loaded submachine gun to go bouncing down the road outside of the car without any warning, to be picked up by a member of the general public before the gardai could recover it, and subsequently hand it in at the nearest garda station.


And yes, we're being overly fussy about the standards we hold armed police to - they are armed police. Their firearms are intended to shoot people, members of the general public, a group which you and I are members of. It is in everyone's best interest to demand that AGS are held to a high standard, in the same way that AGS demand firearms owners are held to a high standard, but in this case we have more cause. Someone being injured by a civilian firearm is an astonishingly rare event in this country; but AGS firearms are actually intended to be used as weapons against other people. It's a greater level of risk and demands a higher standard.

Not wanting to divulge any actual detail Sparks but routinely carrying a firearm with a round chambered in accordance with service SOP's is standard practice with some law enforcement people on this island.

I agree with you that ND's, especially ones leading to injury, need to be subjected to close scrutiny not so much from a blame game point of view as from a public safety point of view.

If the individual made a booboo that's what it is, he/she received plenty of punishment already and will no doubt receive plenty of sniggering as well. If there's a general shortfall in training or handling procedures there's a public safety issue.

Sparks

meathstevie wrote: »

Not wanting to divulge any actual detail Sparks but routinely carrying a firearm with a round chambered in accordance with service SOP's is standard practice with some law enforcement people on this island.

But not the ones riding around in marked cars. The entire point of them is that they don't spend all their time with rounds in the chamber; they're called in to known situations instead of being surprised in the middle of the day without any time to be more prepared.

If there's a general shortfall in training or handling procedures there's a public safety issue.

This. Times several million.
This time, the bullet went through the shooter's foot.
Last time, it went into the grounds of aras an uachtarain, or into a fellow Garda's femoral artery (thankfully a blank so it was just all the shrapnel). The number of NDs caused by acting the eejit should never rise above zero.

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Sparks wrote: »

I think we are differing on whether or not it is normal for a Garda to go around _all the time_ with a round _in the chamber_. (Hence the "condition one" mention above)
Having rounds in the magazine with the bolt closed and an empty chamber (for fire-on-bolt-closed firearms) is a very different thing to having the safety catch be the one thing between you and a new hole in your boot.



We are, thankfully, nowhere near the level of mayhem and anarchy that would justify Gardai walking around with a loaded firearm with a round chambered _all the time_. It's Dublin, not Mega City One.

If you have reason to be carrying a weapon (outside of training), there should be a round in the chamber. If not, the weapon is as much a liability as a defence. Some organisations in Ireland do not follow this rule, and some do.

meathstevie wrote: »

Not wanting to divulge any actual detail Sparks but routinely carrying a firearm with a round chambered in accordance with service SOP's is standard practice with some law enforcement people on this island.

As it should be, if they have reason to be armed at all.

Sparks wrote: »

But not the ones riding around in marked cars. The entire point of them is that they don't spend all their time with rounds in the chamber; they're called in to known situations instead of being surprised in the middle of the day without any time to be more prepared.

You're making a lot of assumptions. If they aren't carrying with a round in the chamber, they are liable to be disarmed in ambush, and are better off unarmed. No personnel should ever be travelling with a weapon locked in their vehicle without also carrying a sidearm - otherwise it would be trivial to disarm them.

Cass

mattser wrote: »

Seeing as you're a shooting mod, would you care to elaborate on your curt reply.

Not sure what my being a Mod has to do with my ability to reply to a thread/post, but seeing as you ignored the comments calling the Garda in question names, and mocking him, and quoted me while highlighting i'm a Mod i assume you have an axe to grind so i'll oblige (i've used pictures so there is no more confusion on your part)

Trigger discipline



Zero trigger discipline



Proper trigger control explained



If all else fails this should explain it

mattser wrote: »

Unless and until you do, you are only guessing.

Triggers don't pull themselves.

shootemall wrote: »

I can’t see him getting in to much trouble it was obviously self defense.

Heh, heh. Should plant a knife on his foot, and claim self defense.

Sparks

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

You're making a lot of assumptions

Professionalism being the primary one. ARUs are supposed to operate as support units. They are not supposed to be wandering around high-risk areas listening to their spotify playlist, getting surprised and having to defend themselves with no warning. So the need to have an immediately ready to fire firearm to hand isn't supposed to exist if they're fulfilling their role correctly. Their operating regieme is to give them that time to operate the slide of their firearm before having to fire back, not to make their lives easier, but to lower the risk to the public caused by making a dogs breakfast of the job. This idea that they're wandering about Dublin about to be attacked by ninja drug dealers at any moment is not only stupid, it's a public safety risk.

And frankly, given the hoops *we* have to jump through to mitigate risks to the public, I see no argument here that says public safety should be disregarded by armed police when we've seen far too many demonstrations of what happens when you do that both in this country and in others with consequences ranging from potential injuries to completely innocent people being shot multiple times due to mistaken identity or faulty threat evaluation.

mattser

Cass wrote: »

Not sure what my being a Mod has to do with my ability to reply to a thread/post, but seeing as you ignored the comments calling the Garda in question names, and mocking him, and quoted me while highlighting i'm a Mod i assume you have an axe to grind so i'll oblige (i've used pictures so there is no more confusion on your part)

Trigger discipline



Zero trigger discipline



Proper trigger control explained



If all else fails this should explain it



Triggers don't pull themselves.

Heh, heh. Should plant a knife on his foot, and claim self defense.

No axe at all.
Thanks for the elongated version.

BattleCorp

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

If you have reason to be carrying a weapon (outside of training), there should be a round in the chamber. If not, the weapon is as much a liability as a defence.

It takes a second to rack the firearm. Stupid to be going around 100% of the time with a round in the chamber. Dangerous and unnecessary.

tac foley

'The officer, stationed in the south-west of the country, was injured after his weapon discharged while he was in a garda patrol vehicle.'

1. The weapon did NOT 'discharge', it WAS 'discharged'. The trigger was activated to do this.

2. The word 'garda' gets a capital 'G'.

Grizzly 45

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

Pistols are routinely carried on the body by plain-clothes Gardaí - you often see the telltale bulge under their jackets. I would hope they're carrying loaded, and ready to fire, otherwise they're not much use.

Nothing wrong with that.Provided you have correct trigger disipline and saftey drilled into you.In this case I feel that maybe a drop leg holster might have some part to play here too.


Ref Decocking and striker fired issued sidearms.
Not in this case.ASU use the SIG/SAUER 226.Which has a decocking mechanism..

Larbre34

Why is there an assumption that it was his pistol that discharged? Far more likely to be the MP7 he would have had on his lap inside the vehicle no?

John_Rambo

Regarding the gun that fell out of the boot of the cop car in Dublin city.... I reckon it was on the roof of the car.

Every year I drive similar vehicles on undulated, soft sand bumpy beaches with the boot open with lots of gear in the back, surf boards half in, half out, wetsuits, leashes, harnesses, cameras, big bags etc... the only things that escape are light things that catch the wind like raincoats & empty holdalls. Not heavy items. And I presume those guns are heavy.

Even if the boot of a 90k vehicle did "pop" open, I doubt a heavy thing like a gun would fall out from driving over the LUAS lines or catch the wind.

Edit.. as above, I don't think we'll ever find out what happened.

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Sparks wrote: »

Professionalism being the primary one. ARUs are supposed to operate as support units. They are not supposed to be wandering around high-risk areas listening to their spotify playlist, getting surprised and having to defend themselves with no warning. So the need to have an immediately ready to fire firearm to hand isn't supposed to exist if they're fulfilling their role correctly. Their operating regieme is to give them that time to operate the slide of their firearm before having to fire back, not to make their lives easier, but to lower the risk to the public caused by making a dogs breakfast of the job. This idea that they're wandering about Dublin about to be attacked by ninja drug dealers at any moment is not only stupid, it's a public safety risk.

And frankly, given the hoops *we* have to jump through to mitigate risks to the public, I see no argument here that says public safety should be disregarded by armed police when we've seen far too many demonstrations of what happens when you do that both in this country and in others with consequences ranging from potential injuries to completely innocent people being shot multiple times due to mistaken identity or faulty threat evaluation.

I think you're conflating two issues here. I think restrictions on firearms in Ireland are too stringent, but that has no impact on the protocols required to safely and effectively carry a weapon in a professional role. My gut tells me that you have never carried a weapon in a professional capacity or a contested environment, as I believe you would learn first hand very quickly the benefits of carrying a weapon ready-to-fire, if you carry one at all.


For the record, I don't think that the hoops which legal firearms owners are required to jump through are reasonable or even aimed at safety. Civilians are perfectly capable of handling weapons, carried for the purpose of self defence, safely - i have been one such person in other countries.

BattleCorp wrote: »

It takes a second to rack the firearm. Stupid to be going around 100% of the time with a round in the chamber. Dangerous and unnecessary.

Even the Israelis don't keep their chambers clear in military or police applications. If you are in a situation where you need to carry a weapon, that second may count, and it's only as dangerous as the carrier. None of these weapons discharge themselves.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that.Provided you have correct trigger disipline and saftey drilled into you.In this case I feel that maybe a drop leg holster might have some part to play here too.


Ref Decocking and striker fired issued sidearms.
Not in this case.ASU use the SIG/SAUER 226.Which has a decocking mechanism..

On your first paragraph, agreed. On your second, I'll defer to your knowledge - do you know which 226s the ASU use? Are they DAO?

Cass

Still not sure why everyone is debating the pros and cons of having a chambered round, or not. Its somewhat irrelevant without proper trigger discipline as this poor sod found out.

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

..... - do you know which 226s the ASU use? Are they DAO?

They use, afaik, the P226 and/or Walther P99c.

Not too sure on the Walthers, but the Sigs have a decocking lever, as Grizz said, that drops the hammer without striking the firing pin. Means you can have a round chambered and still fire the pistol, albeit with a noticeable amount more force, for the first round and then she is back to a "normal" semi auto for each following round. Difference in trigger weight is from 4.5 - 5 lbs in the decoked position, to about 2lb in the cocked position.

I've highlighted it on mine:

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Cass wrote: »

Not too sure on the Walthers, but the Sigs have a decocking lever, as Grizz said, that drops the hammer without striking the firing pin.

DAO 226s, often used by police forces, don't have decockers, hence the question.

parttimeadult

Don't suppose anyone knows which detective it was?

Heckler

parttimeadult wrote: »

Don't suppose anyone knows which detective it was?

Probably wasn't a detective and more likely a member of the ARU/ERU. What difference does it make who it was ? And we are never going to find out anyway nor should we.

tac foley

parttimeadult wrote: »

Don't suppose anyone knows which detective it was?

He's the one who can see the floor through hole in his foot.

.243

Chambered round or not,
heavily trained or basic instruction on firearms,
a finger was on the trigger,end of.

shootemall

One good thing that has come from this is the reduction in his carbon footprint

Cass

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

DAO 226s, often used by police forces, don't have decockers, hence the question.

I understand that, but An Gardai, iirc, use the standard model P226 (for those using the Sig) which has the feature.

My Godfather used to be in Serious Crime and this was his service weapon.

oldgit1897

We have all been at the pistol range, where people who have never set eyes on a pistol, let alone handled or shot one have turned up with a friend or are maybe new members of the club. The first thing thats DRILLED into them is NEVER point a pistol at anyone, and the second is when you pick a pistol up, keep your finger out of the trigger guard and off the trigger, unless you intend to shoot.

I would have assumed gun handling and safety would have been DRILLED non-stop into anyone carrying a firearm to protect the public. After all its their full time job. Sadly in typical Irish tradition, this appears not to be the case.

Cass

I have no doubt An Gardaí get training, and continuous training at that, otherwise they wouldn't be fit to carry a firearm in the first place. So in their defense i wouldn't say they are untrained or poorly trained.

My opinion on this single matter is lapse of concentration coupled with, i suppose the best word i can think of is familiarity.

When any one of us, non Gardaí, are on the range we have no choice but to continuously follow the rules because there are ROs present at all times. Any infractions of the rules carry much greater risks because of the higher volume of people in a smaller area so no range would allow us to carry a loaded pistol outside of the firing area, let alone around the range. Hell if you're caught loading ammo into a mag in the safety area you're in for a paddling.

Gardai, due to the nature of their job, don't have this continuous "over the shoulder" supervision. Granted they are endowed with a much higher level of trust because of this absence of constant supervision, and their training should reflect that, but one lapse in concentration and an over inflated sense of "i know what i'm doing" and this is when mistakes happen.

Problem with firearms is mistake generally involve serious injury and it's why i always say the shooting community should be applauded for our safety record which is all self policed.

Grizzly 45

Annabel Narrow Kindle wrote: »

Even the Israelis don't keep their chambers clear in military or police applications. If you are in a situation where you need to carry a weapon, that second may count, and it's only as dangerous as the carrier. None of these weapons discharge themselves.

On your first paragraph, agreed. On your second, I'll defer to your knowledge - do you know which 226s the ASU use? Are they DAO?

Actually,they do.They developed the very unique method of Israeli point and shoot and carry.They carry all safties OFF and on an empty chamber. It was developed from their Mossad"Kidon"[Bayonet] hit teams.If you had to bump off someone out foregin,you might have ended up with any sort of a yoke to do the job,so you didnt have time for long weapons fammilarisation,so it was easier to just disengage all safties and carry empty chamber.Practise ,a draw and racking while bringing up onto target while just pointing the gun like you would your index finger and you would be surprised how quick you can get.

Needless to say,utterly different situation from leisurely punching of paper on a range that isnt going to shoot back at you,from 20foot or less.

Last SIG I eyeballed on the ASU down here in Limerick ,was a 226 with hammer.

Grizzly 45

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QUOTE=Cass;110740638]I have no doubt An Gardaí get training, and continuous training at that, otherwise they wouldn't be fit to carry a firearm in the first place. So in their defense i wouldn't say they are untrained or poorly trained.

Not when they have apprently 11 of these fine ranges.Made in NI and cost apparently £1.3 million a pop:eek: http://www.generalranges.com .So you would think that alright.But then you can have "All the gear and no idea !" too unfortuneatly.

Gardai, due to the nature of their job, don't have this continuous "over the shoulder" supervision. Granted they are endowed with a much higher level of trust because of this absence of constant supervision, and their training should reflect that, but one lapse in concentration and an over inflated sense of "i know what i'm doing" and this is when mistakes happen.

Might be something to this as well.
If you consider some disasters like the bank robbery at Athy in the late 1980s.The Abbeyleix bank heist Dec 2001 where one of their own was killed by "friendly fire".

tac foley

Cass wrote:

Problem with firearms is mistake generally involve serious injury and it's why i always say the shooting community should be applauded for our safety record which is all self policed.

I 100% agree with this post. Sure, there is the odd mistake made - crossing a fence with a loaded gun, that kind of thing - but range safety, with RCOs AND careful disciplined shooters means that dangerous mistakes are a real rarity.

AbdulAbhaile

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Might be something to this as well.
If you consider some disasters like the bank robbery at Athy in the late 1980s.The Abbeyleix bank heist Dec 2001 where one of their own was killed by "friendly fire".

Didn't a suspect get shot in the face relatively recently by a negligent discharge.

How can these issues be resolved or is it just part and parcel for armed police?

tac foley

Happens over here in mainland yUK as well. A few years back a police officer was shot dead in the driver's seat of his patrol car by another police officer demonstrating a 12g windshield-penetrating 'training' round. Yet another involved an indoor classroom incident where the officer demonstrating a .44 magnum revolver loaded a live round and fatally shot another police officer on a 'firearms familiarisation course'.

And the locker room of at least one police station in the Met area has a locker with more than one keyhole....

Grizzly 45

AbdulAbhaile wrote: »

Didn't a suspect get shot in the face relatively recently by a negligent discharge.

How can these issues be resolved or is it just part and parcel for armed police?

Think it is P&P of police life.Plenty of cases globally of negligent discharges ,and bulue on blue incidents happening every year,so it is unfair just to pick on AGS.We only do because they are our locals and that they are mostly still,an unarmed police force.So it proably strikes home abit stonger for us.

Chiparus

Interesting there was a delay in the reporting of a raid where firearm was recovered in Limerick on Wednesday.

tac foley

Chiparus wrote: »

Interesting there was a delay in the reporting of a raid where firearm was recovered in Limerick on Wednesday.

I'm guessing that it depends who ;lost it' in the fust place, eh? :cool:

Cass

Chiparus wrote: »

Interesting there was a delay in the reporting of a raid where firearm was recovered in Limerick on Wednesday.

This? From Friday.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I fully expect that Garda to get a nice 6 figure compensation claim. Including extended leave for PTSD.