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Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges
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ohnonotgmail wrote: »you're just believing what they want you to believe.
Who are 'they', precisely?0 -
Saige Putrid Rainfall wrote: »So you believe every single thing you read in the papers ? My oh my.
Are you seriusly suggesting the media conspired to mis-report the official coroner's report? If so do you believe they also misreported the results from the pathologist hired by the family? Why would they do such a strange thing?0 -
Are you seriusly suggesting the media conspired to mis-report the official coroner's report? If so do you believe they also misreported the results from the pathologist hired by the family? Why would they do such a strange thing?
Absolutely. I have a mind of my own so I don't need to believe everything I read in a commercial enterprise which is sustained only by blue chip advertising costs.0 -
Are you seriusly suggesting the media conspired to mis-report the official coroner's report? If so do you believe they also misreported the results from the pathologist hired by the family? Why would they do such a strange thing?
nobody has claimed the media misreported anything. there were two autopsies. they gave conflicting results. One set of results is more likely than the other.0 -
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
INDICTMENT
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
19 Cr.
TOVA NOEL and
MICHAEL THOMAS
Defendants.
INTRODUCTION
1. On or about August 10, 2019, TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants, in dereliction of their duties as correctional officers at the metropolitan Correctional Center repeatedly failed to perform.mandated counts of prisoners under their watch. in the Special. Housing: Unit
Instead, for substantial portions of their shifts, NOEL and THOMAS sat at their desk, browsed the internet, and moved around the common area of the SHU.
To conceal their failure to perform their duties, NOEL and THOMAS repeatedly signed false certifications attesting to having conducted multiple counts of inmates when, in truth and in fact, they never conducted such counts.
As a result of those false statements, the MCC believed prisoners in the SHU
were being regularly monitored and accounted for when, in fact, as a result of the defendantsconduct, no correctional officer conducted any count or round of the SHU from approximately 10:30p.m. on August 9 until approximately 6:30 a.m. on August 10, at which time, as alleged herein, NOEL and THOMAS discovered the body of EH1 MCC inmate, Jeffrey" Epstein, who had committed. suicide overnight while unobserved.
RELEVANT INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITIES
2. The MCC is a federal administrative detentionfacility located in Manhattan that is run by the Federal Bureau of Prisons
The MCC is one of several facilities used to house inmates who have been charged with federal crimes in the Southern District of New York and are awaiting trial.
They employs correctional officers, whose primary duty is to ensure the
care, custody, and control of the inmate population of the MCC.
TOVA NOEL, the defendant, has been employed as a correctional officer at the MCC since approximately 2016.
As of August 2019, primary assignment was the SHU.
On August 9, 2019, NOEL worked a regular shift from 4 p.m. to 12 a.m. in the
SHU, and then worked an overtime shift from 12-a.m. to 8 a.m. on August 10, 2019, also in the SHU. NOEL had also worked a regular shift in the SHU the day before, August 8, 2019, from 12 p.m. to 8 p.m.
MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendant, has been employed as a correctional officer at the MCC since approximately' 2007.
Beginning in approximately 2013, THOMAS was assigned to work as a materials handler supervisor, although THOMAS regularly worked overtime shifts as a correctional officer, including in the SHU.
THOMAS worked an overtime shift in the SHU on August 10, 2019,from 12 a.m. to 8 a.m. THOMAS did not work his regular shift on August 8 or August 9, 2019, but did work an overtime shift in the SHU on August 9, 2019 from 12 a.m. to 8 a.m.
5. As detailed herein, Jeffrey Epstein was incarcerated at the MCC between his arrest on July 6, 2019, and his suicide on August 10, 2019. Epstein was detained pending trial in the Southern District of New York on sex trafficking
charges.
THE MCC AND INSTITUTIONAL COUNTS
6. The MCC, which houses approximately 750 inmates at any given time, assigns inmates to various housing units within the MCC.
The SHU is a housing unit within the MCC where inmates are securely separated from.the general innate population to ensure their own safety as well as the safety of staff and other inmates.
The SHU is located on the ninth floor of the MCC, and access to that floor is controlled by 21 locked door that can be opened remotely only by an officer in the centralized control center(the Control Center), which is located on the first floor of the MCC.
Access into the SHU is also controlled by a second locked door to which only Correctional officers assigned to the SHU havekeys while on duty.
Within the SHU, inmates are assigned to six separate tiers, each of which can be accessed only via a single locked door to which the correctional officers assigned_to the SHU have keys while on duty,
Each tier has eight cells, each of which can house either one or two risoners, and each individual cell which is made of cement and metal is accessed only through asingle locked door, to which only correctional officers assignedto the SHU have keys while on duty.
7. The BOP requires correctional officers assigned to guard inmates at the MCC to conduct institutionmwide counts of inmates at regular, scheduled intervals to ensure that each inmate is alive within the DMXZ (the nstitutional
count").
On weekdays, the MCC conducts fiVe institutional counts
Performing an institutional count is one of the most basic and essential aspects of a correctional officer?s job, and the count is one of the most
basic and essential functions of daily operation of the MCC.
Two officers are required to perform the institutional count for each
housing unit, including? the SHU, and. are further required to document their performance of the count on an official MCC form called a count slip.
To perform the institutional count in the SHU, two officers must walk from tier to tier to obServe and count each individual inmate.
8. On the count slip, both correctional officers arerequired to fill in the date and time the count was performed, write the total number of inmates physically present in the unit counted, and then sign the count slip.
Once the correctional officers have completed and signed.the count slips, the count slips are then collected and delivered to the Control Center, where
officers within the Control Center are responsible for comparing the count slips from each housing unit to the institutions inmate roster to ensure that each inmate is accounted for.
Only after all the count slips are collected from each housing unit, and the
numbers on. the slips are matched to the institutions inmate roster, can the institutional count be deemed cleared or completed
If a housing units count slip is incorrect or incomplete, then the institution cannot clear the count.
Instead, the count must be completely redone in that housing unit via a more intensive version of the institutional count called a bed book count, in which officers must compare every individual inmate to the institution?s inmate 'roster.
Records of each institutional count, including the count slips, are provided to a supervising official and retained by the MCC.
9. kn addition to the institutional count, the BOP requires correctional officers assigned to the SHU to walk each of the tiers of the SHU which is called a round, every thirty minutes.
Like the institutional counts,correctional officers conduct 30minute rounds to ensure that each inmate is alive and accounted for within his cell.
Correctional officers working in the SHU are required to complete a form,which
is reviewed and signed by their supervisor, documenting the date and time of each 30 minute round in each tier of the SHU.
PRIOR APPARENT SUICIDE
10. On July 6, 2019, inmate Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and detained at the MCC on sex trafficking charges.
On July 10, 2019, Epstein was assigned to the SHU due to, among other
things, risk factors for suicidafity and safety concerns relating to housing him with the general population..
11. On July 23, 2019, while Epstein was housed in the SHU, MCC officers responded to an emergency call, and found Epsteinon the floor of his cell with a strip of bedsheet around his neck.
MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendant, was one of the MCC officers who responded to the incident.
Epstein was subsequently transferred out of the SHU and was placed on suicide watch.
Inmates placed on suicide watch are housed in a cell on the hospital wing floor of the MCC, and are watched hours a day by a staff member or a specially trained inmate companion.
12. Epstein remained on suicide watch for approximately 24 hours, and then. was transferred to observation, until July 30, 2019.
Observation is less restrictive than suicide watch, but inmates are still housed
in the hospital wing of the MCC and watched twentyfour hours a day
13. On JUly 30, 2019, Epstein was transferred back to the SHU, and, at the direction of the staff, was required to have an assigned cellmate.
Epstein was also assigned to the cell closest to the correctional officers desk in the common area of the SHU, which was approximately fifteen feet from the cell.
Conducting the required institutional counts and thirty?minute rounds in the were also part of the procedures for ensuring the safety of inmates, including Epstein.
EVENTS OF AUGUST 9/10, 2019
14. On August 9, 2019, Epsteins cellmate was transferred out of the MCC in a routine, prearranged transfer at approximately 3 a.m.
Despite staffs direction. that Epstein have a cellmate, no new cellmate' was
assigned to Epsteins cell.
15. TOVA NOEL, the defendant, was one of the assigned officers on duty in the SHU from 4 p.m. on August 9, 2019 to 8a.m. on August 10. From 4 p.m. to 12
Two other officers were on duty with NOEL in the SHU: one officer was assigned to work from 2 p.m. to 10 p.m. (Officer1), and one officer was assigned to work from 4 p.m. to 12 a.m. (Officer2).
MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendant, started his shift in the SHU at 12 a.m. on August 10. From 12 a.m. until 8 a.m4 on August 10, NOEL and THOMAS
were the only two officers on duty in the SHU.
16. During the time period from 4 p.m. on August 9 to 8 a.m. on August 10, the officers on duty in the SHU, including TOVA.NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants, were responsible for conducting five institutional counts: 4 p.m. and 10 p.m. on August 9; and 12 3 and 5 a.m. on August 10.. NOEL, THOMAS and the other officers on duty were also responsible for completing
paperwork attesting to each of those counts.
While, as detailed herein, count slips were completed for each institutional count,in fact, not a single one of those institutional counts.was done.
17. TOVA. NOEL, the defendant, and Officer were responsible for conducting the 4 p.m. institutional count in the SHU. As video from the internal video surveillance system makes clear, NOEL and Officerwl did not perform the 4 p.m. count.
Nonetheless, NOEL and Officerml completed and signed a count slip that falsely stated that the 4 p.m. institutional count had been performed.
In reliance on that falsified count slip, at approximately 5:03 the Control Center cleared the 4 p.m count.
18. That evening, Epstein returned to the SHU from his attorney visit and was escorted into his cell by TOVA NOEL, the defendant, and another officer at approximately 7:49 p.m. NOEL and the other officer left the tier in which Epstein was housed immediately thereafter.
19. By or before l0 all inmates in the MCC were locked in their cells for the night.
At or around that time, TOVA NOEL, the defendant, and Officer-2 were responsible for conducting the 10 p.m. institutional count in the SHU.
However, video from the internal video surveillance system shows that NOEL and Officer-2 did not perform the 10 p.m. count.
Nonetheless, NOEL and Officer-2 completed and signed a count Slip falsely stating that a 10 p.m. institutional count had been performed.
In reliance on that falsified count slip, at approximately 10:36 the Control Center cleared the 10 p.m. count.
20; .As reflected on video obtained, from. the internal video surveillance system, at approximately 10:30 p.m on August 9, 2019 after TOVA NOEL, the defendant, had signed and submitted the 10 p.m. count slip and the institutional count had been completed NOEL briefly walked up to, and then walked back from the door of the tier iin which. Epsteirl was housed.
As confirmed by the video obtained the internal video surveillance system, this was the last time anyone, including anycorrectional officer, walked up to, let alone entered, the only entrance to the tier in which Epstein was housed until approximately 6:30 arm. on August 10.
21. Officer-1 shift ended at approximately 10 and. at approximately' 12 THOMAS, the defendant, replaced Officer-2, joining TOVA NOEL, the defendant, as the only two correctional officers on duty in the SHU. NOEL and THOMAS were responsible for conducting the 12 a.m. institutional count in
the SHU.
As cmnfirmed by video from the internal video surveillance system, NOEL and THOMAS did not perform the 12 a.m. count.
Nonetheless, NOEL and THOMAS completed and signed a count slip for the 12 a.m. count that falsely stated that the institutional. count had. been performed.
In reliance on that falsified count slip, at approximately 12:49 the Control
Center cleared the 12 a.m. count.
22. TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants, were additionally responsible for conducting the 13 a.m. and 5 ELHL institutional counts in the SHU.
As confirmed by video from the internal video surveillance system, NOEL and THOMAS did not perform either the 3 a.m. or the 5 a.m. counts. NOEL and THOMAS nonetheless completed and signed count slips for both counts that
falsely stated they lmui performed the 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.institutional counts.
In reliance on those falsified count slips,at approximately 3:24 a.m. and 5:30 the Control Center cleared the 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. counts, respectively.
23. Moreover, despite the requirement that officers on duty in the SHU conduct and document regular, 30mminute rounds,
TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants, did not perform any
of the required 30 minute rounds during their shift between approximately 12 a.m. and 6:30 a.m.
Nonetheless, NOEL completed and signed more than 75 separate 30minute round entries falsely affirming that they had, in fact, conducted such rounds.
24. During the night, instead of completing the required counts and rounds, TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants, were seated at the correctional officers desk in the SHU common area (as noted above, lapproximately 15 feet from Epsteins cell, used the computers, and moved around the SHUcommon area.
For a period of approximately two hours, NOEL and THOMAS sat at their desk without moving, and appeared to have been asleep.
NOEL used the computer periodically throughout the night, including to search the internet for furniture sales and benefit websites.
THOMAS used the computer briefly around 1 a.m, 4 and 6 a.m. to search for sales and sports news.
25. At approximately 4 the overnight supervisor briefly visited NOEL and THOMAS in the SHU, and conferred with NOEL and THOMAS, who were seated at and around the officers desk,before leaving.
At approximately 5:30 another correctional officer briefly walked through the SHU common area.
Aside from those two officers, as confirmed by video surveillance, no one
else entered. the SEN, no one conducted any counts- or rounds throughout the night, and no one entered the tier in which Epstein was housed.
26. Shortly after 6 a.m. on August 10, 2019, MICHAEL THOMAS. and NOEL, the defendants, received 51 delivery of breakfast carts into the SHU, after which time they were again the only officers in the SHU.
Shortly after 6:30 NOEL and THOMAS walked up to and entered the tier in which Epstein was housed to serve breakfast.
At approximately 6:33 an alarm was activated in the SHU.
Epstein was alone in his cell and not responsive, with a noose around his neck.
A supervisor who had just started his shift responded to the alarm almost immediately thereafter, and as NOEL approached the door to the SHU to open the door for Supervisor,
NOEL told Supervisor that epstein hung himself.
After arriving in the Supervisor spoke with THOMAS and NOEL.
NOEL told Supervisor,we did not complete the 3 a.m. nor 5 a.m4 rounds.
THOMAS stated,we messed up,and messed up, we didn't do any rounds.
27. Epstein was transferred to a local hospital where he was declared dead shortly thereafter.
The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of the City of New York conducted an autopsy and determined that Epsteinhad committed suicide by hanging himself.
STATUTORY ALLEGATIONS
COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy)
The Grand Jury charges:
28. The Grand Jury incorporates the allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 27 of this Indictment as though fully set forth herein.
29. In or about August 2019, in the Southern District of New York, TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants,knowingly conspired with each other to:
A. Knowingly defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of a department agency of the United States, 1x3 wit, the function to ensure the care, custody, and control of its inmate
population.
B. Knowingly fake and. use a false writing' or document knowing the same to contain a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and entry with the intent to impede, obstruct, or iinfluence the investigation lor proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States, in Violation of Title
18, United States Code, Section 1001
30. In furtherance of the conspiracy and to effect the illegal objects there of, TOVA. NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants, committed the following overt acts, among others, in the Southern District of New York:
August 10, 2019,, NOEL and THOMAS falsely certified, on an MCC count slip, that they had performed the 12 a.m. institutional count of the SHU, when they had not in fact done so.
On August 10, 2019, NOEL and THOMAS falsely certified, on an MCC count slip, that they had performed the 3a.m. institutional count of the SHU, when they had not in fact done so.
On .August 10, 2019, NOEL and THOMAS falsely certified, on an MCC count slip, that they had performed the 5a.m. inStitutional count of the SHU at MCC, when they had not infact done so.
.On August 10, 2019, NOEL falsely certified that. she and THOMAS had performed a series of 30minute rounds of the SHU between 12 a.m 4 and 6:30 when they had not in fact done so
The Grand Jury further charges:
31. The Grand Jury incorporates the allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 27 of this Indictment as though fully set forth herein.
32. On or about August 9, 2019, in the Southern District of New York, TOVA NOEL, the defendant, willfully and knowingly did make and use 51 false writing or knowing the same to contain a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and entry with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the
investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction_of any department or agency of the United States, and did attempt to do the same, to wit, NOEL created, signed, and submitted to the MCC a materially false count slip indicating that she had performed the 4 p.m. institutional count of the SHU, when she had not in fact done so.
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections lOOl(a)(3) and 2)
COUNT THREE
(False Records lO p.m. Count)
The Grand Jury further charges:
33. The Grand Jury incorporates the allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 27 of this Indictment as though fully set forth herein.
34. On or about August 9, 2019, in the Southern District of New York, TOVA NOEL, the defendant, willfully and knowingly did make and use false writing or document knowing the same to contain a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and entry with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the
jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States, andd id attempt to do the same, to wit, NOEL created, signed, and submitted to the MCC a materially false count slip indicating that she had performed the 10 p.m. institutional count of the SHU, when she had not in fact done so.
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(3) and 2)
COUNT FOUR
(False 12 a.m. Count)
The Grand Jury further charges:
35. The Grand Jury incorporates the allegations contained in paragraphs lthrough 27 of this Indictment as though fully set forth herein.
36. On or about August 10, 2019, in the Southern District of New York, TOVA NOEL THOMAS, the defendants, willfully' and knowingly did fake and use a false writing or document knowing the same to contain a materially false,
-fictitious, and fraudulent sta tement and entry with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper aministration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States, and did attempt to do the same, to wit, NOEL and THOMAS created, signed, and submitted to the MCC a materially false count slip indicating that they had
performed the 12 a.m. institutional count of the SHU, when they had not in fact done so.
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections lOOl(a)(3) and 2)
COUNT
(False Records 3 a.m. Count)
The Grand Jury further charges:
37. The Grand Jury incorporates the allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 27 of this Indictment as thoughfully set forth herein.
38. On or about August 2019, in the Southern District of New York, and MICHAEL THOMAS, the defendants,
willfully and. knowingly did. make and. use a false writing or document knowing the same to contain a materially false,fictitious, and fraudulent statement and entry with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the binvestigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States, and did attempt to do
the same, to wit, NOEL and THOMAS created, signed, and submitted to the MCC a materially false count slip indicating that they had performed the 3 a.m. institutional count of the SHU, when they had not in fact done so.
COUNT SIX
(False Records 5 a.m. Count)
The Grand Jury further charges:
39. The Grand Jury incorporates the allegationsc ontained in paragraphs 1 through 27 of this Indictment as though
fully set forth herein.
40. On. or about August 10, 2019, 'in the Southern District of New York, TOVA.NOEL THOMAS, the defendants,willfully and knowingly' did :make and. use a false writing' or document knowing the same to contain a materially false,fictitious, and fraudulent statement and entry with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States, and did attempt to do the same, to wit, NOEL and THOMAS created, signed, and submitted to the MCC a materially false count slip indicating that they had performed the 5 a.m. institutional count of the SHU, when they had not in fact done so.
(Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(3) and 2)
BERMAN
United States Attorney
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
V.
TOVA NOEL and
MICHAEL THOMAS,
Defendants.
INDICTMENT
19 title 18, United States Code,
Sections 371, 1001(a)(3), and 2.
GEOFFREY S. BERMAN
United States Attorney
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6553399-Indictment-against-Jeffrey-Epstein-jail-guards.html=(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=
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Occam's Razor says it was suicide. A fella that was living the high life for decades getting away with stuff he shouldn't have looking at the barrel of spending the rest of his life in prison, and he was probably the type that had expected to live to 110.
I don’t know. I mean, I think suicide is plausible but I don’t in this case think it’s by far the most likely scenario. He knew so much about a lot of people. And the murder angle is far from your average conspiracy theory because more people are suspicious of his death than aren’t. That’s really unusual.0 -
Ominous.
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Outlaw Pete wrote: »Ominous.
Quite funny how he only mentions empathy for victims after the backlash.
"For the foreseeable future" should read "forever".
As for cooperating with law enforcement agencies, let's hope he backs that up. The Virginia Roberts case would be a good place to start.0 -
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Said he "continues to regret"
I thought in the interview he didn't regret so he's lying again0 -
The movie "People I Know" starring Al Pacino seems to mirror the Epstein case in some significant details. Worth checking out.0
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Panorama tonight 9.00 BBC
Andrew will get exposed for what he is, whether the people of the UK believe it is another thing. But come on, the guy is guilty as sin.0 -
He's a royal though, when they commit crimes they can simply vanish from public life and live out the rest of their existence in unimaginable luxury on some estate. The british should have done what the french did back in the day.0
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Oh and here's a promo for a flight company Aviloop, backed by Epstein.
Listen from 18secs !
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...... Aaaaannnd now his Banker is suicided.
https://truepundit.com/jeffrey-epsteins-private-banker-at-deutsche-executive-suicide-before-feds-questioned-him/0 -
...... Aaaaannnd now his Banker is suicided.
https://truepundit.com/jeffrey-epsteins-private-banker-at-deutsche-executive-suicide-before-feds-questioned-him/
Most news sites are focusing on the loans he approved for Trump with no mention of Epstein. You would think both would be of equal interest.0 -
I'm not one for the MAGA Vs Lock her up Hillary stuff but...Most news sites are focusing on the loads he approved for Trump with no mention of Epstein. You would think both would be of equal interest.
Trump and Bill Clinton have a lot in common.
Their silence about each others involvement.0 -
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If anything does ever come to light, the vast majority of people will not give a $hite. Just like nobody really gives a $hite about Andy Duke of Sweatyshire. People have been conditioned into thinking the likes of some German family whose mother/father who wears a f**king hat with some shiny stones in it is above them all and have to bend the knee to them, have to pay for them, have to worship them and for what reason, I have no f**king idea. But there, that is the proof that the vast majority of people do not give a $hite and willing to let anything else fly.
"You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats
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Ah, you have to have some respect for the Monarchy at the same time, the direct line to the throne at least, if not the brothers and uncles and cousins etc.
I hear Charles is going to pare down the 'official' royal family when he ascends, to just himself, his descendants, and their families. which i think is fair enough, and not before time0 -
There should be no such thing as a "Monarchy" in the 21st Century.0
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Quantum Erasure wrote: »Ah, you have to have some respect for the Monarchy at the same time, the direct line to the throne at least, if not the brothers and uncles and cousins etc.
I hear Charles is going to pare down the 'official' royal family when he ascends, to just himself, his descendants, and their families. which i think is fair enough, and not before time
No you don't.
In the same vein that I don't think anyone has a birthright to a political seat. Sure you probably learn the ropes quicker... but royalty! Famous cos daddy was famous, how great a footballer was Callum Best?0 -
Autopsy images released.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10678033/jeffrey-epstein-cell-photographs-revealed/
Graphic beware before clicking
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Prince Andrew giving 'zero cooperation' to the FBI.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/27/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-us-prosecutors-fbi-seek-interview
So much for him being willing to cooperate with authorities. Lying toad.0 -
Prince Andrew giving 'zero cooperation' to the FBI.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/27/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-us-prosecutors-fbi-seek-interview
So much for him being willing to cooperate with authorities. Lying toad.
I can't say I blame him. He is completely within his rights to say nothing, no one else involved is, saying anything that is. If he was a US citizen he would be wholly entitled to " take the 5th".
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Even after saying he would wish to help in assiting any law enforcement agency? (in any legal investigation in the Stien).I can't say I blame him. He is completely within his rights to say nothing, no one else involved is, saying anything that is. If he was a US citizen he would be wholly entitled to " take the 5th".
Smells like a rat to me.0 -
Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »Even after saying he would wish to help in assiting any law enforcement agency? (in any legal investigation in the Stien).
I think he qualified that statement with "after advice from my legal team" or something to that effect, which basically means "Oh sure I have no problem giving evidence because I've done nothing wrong and telling the truth will prove my innocence, but those damn lawyers....*shakes fist*"0 -
Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »Even after saying he would wish to help in assiting any law enforcement agency? (in any legal investigation in the Stien).
Smells like a rat to me.
Epstein case, the one conspiracy that appears to not cause a lot of tension between people. The debunkers online are not shouting loudly to shut up about murder.. I believe the majority would claim Epstein likely got a helping hand with the suicide or got murdered? Epstein got murdered that means someone ordered someone to end his life inside the federal prison to stop a show trial on TV. The events took place inside the prison, this someone was powerful, to be listened to and have shut down the block with ( cameras turned off) and corrupt guards on duty to obey them.
The event played out on in front of everyone recently, but people have moved on to new stories, and in time this event will be forgotten by the majority, just like everything else.
Andrew BBC interview was a disaster, i don't think anyone came away believing him.0 -
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Even if I was innocent in his position I would be publicly offering " my assistance " and then saying nothing.
Why would he do otherwise?
The US AG is desperately running around now looking for a big name scapegoat. With Epstein out of the picture the case has basically collapsed.
There really is nothing to see here anymore, unless you invest your time reading all the " true story" autobiographies that the girls will be writing. With great difficulty I might add, without convictions they will struggle to get stories published. Any proven slander would cost a publisher millions, it is all very difficult to prove now.
The end game is a PR exercise for both sides. No Epstein no case.0
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