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Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

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    #1112
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Hobosan wrote: »
    So remember that time a while back when I was incredulous of your optimistic belief that the FBI would put Epstein away.

    And you cited my lack of understanding of the US justice system to both justify your beliefs and rubbish my own.

    I hope you can understand my incredulity now.

    I merely said that the FBI isn’t one monolithic organisation. But yes I am cynical about any investigation here.


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    #1113
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Saige Putrid Rainfall wrote: »
    {10-08-2019, 18:52}
    Guaranteed the cameras will have malfunctioned.
    This (with about 20thanks from 20days ago) prediciton was as correct as clockwork.

    Two cameras 'malfunctioned' outside the cell, oh what a curious coincidence indeed.


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    #1114
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    Interesting article in the Irish Times about how a ring of women helped him recruit teenage girls.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/how-a-ring-of-women-allegedly-recruited-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein-1.4002409


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    #1115
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    Interesting article in the Irish Times about how a ring of women helped him recruit teenage girls.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/how-a-ring-of-women-allegedly-recruited-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein-1.4002409

    That's how pimps operate.


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    #1116
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    That's how pimps operate.

    Yea the women were pimps essentially.


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    #1117
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    Yea the women were pumps essentially.

    Pimps get their women to recruit. It's how they operate. In this case children.


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    #1118
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »
    This (with about 20thanks from 20days ago) prediciton was as correct as clockwork.

    Two cameras 'malfunctioned' outside the cell, oh what a curious coincidence indeed.

    I think people are getting a taste now how the world works in reality. Conspiracy theorists were saying these kind of things happen, yet would be dismissed for bringing it up

    Now you seeing it unfold a high profile prisoner murdered in a high security prison. And authorities still claiming it was a suicide.

    Cameras pointing at Epstein cell now broken and out of action. There comes a point you just have to wake up and stop believing the official government narrative about events.


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    #1119
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Hobosan wrote: »
    So remember that time a while back when I was incredulous of your optimistic belief that the FBI would put Epstein away.

    And you cited my lack of understanding of the US justice system to both justify your beliefs and rubbish my own.

    I hope you can understand my incredulity now.

    FBI is not one massive unit working together in harmony. Often politicial decisions are made to stop a line of enquiry and then the lower tier workforce of the FBI are left with no other option but to cease all investigations. The only way they can voice their displeasure is to come out as a whistleblower. It shows a lack of understanding by people believing the FBI will always reveal the truth. Epstein case probably will never be fully investigated. It most likely we be only discussed on Conspiracy forums, years from now.


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    #1120
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Pimps get their women to recruit. It's how they operate. In this case children.

    By the sounds of it the women were perfectly happy to do the recruiting, they knew exactly what they were doing, for their own self interest. Believe it or not women can also be the perpetrators, not just victims.


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    #1121
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    By the sounds of it the women were perfectly happy to do the recruiting, they knew exactly what they were doing, for their own self interest. Believe it or not women can also be the perpetrators, not just victims.

    Many of them will have been groomed to do this from when they were teenagers. Its how it works. It's a win win for the ringleaders - a constant supply of new victims and also previous victims now involved so that they will be less likely to spill the beans given that they will also be implicated.


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    #1122
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ^
    What's Ghislaine Maxwell's excuse then?


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    #1123
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    By the sounds of it the women were perfectly happy to do the recruiting, they knew exactly what they were doing, for their own self interest. Believe it or not women can also be the perpetrators, not just victims.

    I was wondering where you were going. Yes some children make bad decisions after being groomed by a pedophile.
    In this case it seems to be children so I'm not sure how strong the case would be from that angle any way. As for any women involved, if they lured teens in they should be charged too obviously. Takes nothing away from Epstein's culpability.
    It's not women versus men is it?


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    #1124
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Many of them will have been groomed to do this from when they were teenagers. Its how it works. It's a win win for the ringleaders - a constant supply of new victims and also previous victims now involved so that they will be less likely to spill the beans given that they will also be implicated.

    And sometimes women are perfectly happy to exploit other women and need no "grooming".

    And sometimes the ones being "lured" are perfectly happy with the arrangement, they don't see it as a big deal to be well compensated in exchange for sexual favours.


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    #1125
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    And sometimes women are perfectly happy to exploit other women and need no "grooming".

    And sometimes the ones being "lured" are perfectly happy with the arrangement, they don't see it as a big deal to be well compensated in exchange for sexual favours.

    And children say the darndest things. We're talking about children.


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    #1126
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    And children say the darndest things. We're talking about children.

    I'm talking about 16 year olds and up.


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    #1127
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    I'm talking about 16 year olds and up.

    Some of the victims were as young as 8 years of age..


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    #1128
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    batgoat wrote: »
    Some of the victims were as young as 8 years of age..

    I'm not talking about them, as I pointed out above.

    People don't have a hive mind. Some people are groomed, others enter into an arrangement that suits them of their own free will and some people act as the the "pimp" of their own free will and deserve the full punishment of the law.


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    #1129
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    I'm not talking about them, as I pointed out above.

    Are you talking about a girl in particular?


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    #1130
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    I'm not talking about them, as I pointed out above.

    People don't have a hive mind. Some people are groomed, others enter into an arrangement that suits them of their own free will and some people act as the the "pimp" of their own free will and deserve the full punishment of the law.

    Anyone who lured or groomed children deserves to feel the full weight of the law. Is anyone saying otherwise? Are you trying to wedge in victim blaming? There will be people who get lured in young and continued in the life, that's what happens in prostitution. The older ones bring in younger ones. Epstein trafficked in children.


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    #1131
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Are you talking about a girl in particular?

    No


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    #1132
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Anyone who lured or groomed children deserves to feel the full weight of the law. Is anyone saying otherwise? Are you trying to wedge in victim blaming? There will be people who get lured in young and continued in the life, that's what happens in prostitution. The older ones bring in younger ones. Epstein trafficked in children.

    There seems to be some people who think the women who groomed girls don't deserve the full punishment of the law.


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    #1133
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    There seems to be some people who think the women who groomed girls don't deserve the full punishment of the law.

    Fair enough. I've not seen that.


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    #1134
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Many of them will have been groomed to do this from when they were teenagers. Its how it works. It's a win win for the ringleaders - a constant supply of new victims and also previous victims now involved so that they will be less likely to spill the beans given that they will also be implicated.

    Exhibit A

    It's amazing to witness how an ideology can infect a person's outlook.

    "Women are always the victims, men are always the perpetrators".


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    #1135
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    Exhibit A

    It's amazing to witness how an ideology can infect a person's outlook.

    "Women are always the victims, men are always the perpetrators".

    Seems more like explaining how it happens than saying any adults shouldn't face charges.


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    #1136
    Mangofrozo
    Site Banned Posts: 43 ✭Mangofrozo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Seems more like explaining how it happens than saying any adults shouldn't face charges.

    It's an assumption that the women acting as pimps for Epstein were under some form of sinister coercion, there is no evidence whatsoever that that is the case.


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    #1137
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Tony EH wrote: »
    ^
    What's Ghislaine Maxwell's excuse then?

    Insane, she not arrested. What's the excuse there?


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    #1138
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Mangofrozo wrote: »
    It's an assumption that the women acting as pimps for Epstein were under some form of sinister coercion, there is no evidence whatsoever that that is the case.

    its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....


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    #1139
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

    Eh, it's pretty accepted that Maxwell was a co-conspirator. It's speculation to start blaming the victims.


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    #1140
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Tony EH wrote: »
    ^
    What's Ghislaine Maxwell's excuse then?

    I was referring to the people mentioned who were originally victims and who went on exploit others. Maxwell should be arrested and I dont understand why she hasn't been
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

    Yeah but that's not what I said is it? I said "many" were groomed into recruiting others, and it's true. The same thing happened with the grooming gangs in the UK. That's not excusing them from any blame but explaining how they came to be involved.


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    #1141
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

    Did you read about this case? We’re talking about underage girls here not women, some as young as 13. I know some trump supporters think that if he paid them it’s fine, like the other trump supporter trying to belittle his crimes earlier in the thread. But thankfully most people don’t think that way. It’s sex trafficking and statutory rape at the very least.


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