Random EV thoughts.....

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118287131#Comment_118287131

I cannot respond to every comment, but some one made a statement about maximum range in sub optimal conditions that persists for 25% of the year, I used the same calculator and found that it barely covered my covered my most important journeys with summer settings and driving in a eco mode, surely a person is entitled to spend what ever he wants on a car to do what he needs it to do and declare openly that a brand new EV is useless purchase not to mention a few years of degradation or should they repeat the same mistake after it drops a % or 2.

I will make this point a 20k second hand EV is probably more useless to me, if thats any help.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118287151#Comment_118287151

Maybe he should have called you when he was picking a car as a 50-50 choice on a cable seemed to warrant a phone call? WLTP is much the same for any car, like EVs knock 20% off it, even that I found not true when using Skoda's calculator, its a 1.4 petrol hybrid after his 40 km it cannot be so bad fuel wise, at least some one at the company is smart enough to get some tax credits and not make the mistake of purchasing a EV that they cannot charge, in time I imagine they could install chargers but why buy an EV and then complain about charging? Something I see a lot of here.

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290319#Comment_118290319

I don't know what are you picking at but never said he should have got an EV. In fact this guy is one of the guys I never attempted to talk him in getting an EV. He's one of those service engineers that travel the continent long and wide on a daily basis on short notice. Without the prospects of charging the petrol Octavia would have been a better choice. It was my first experience with a PHEV and was surprised by how inefficient the EV side is and how can they claim 1l/100km. Never ever said he should get an EV.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290009#Comment_118290009

Where did i say i knew nothing of E cars, I advise you to read what i posted not what you think i posted.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290172#Comment_118290172

a journey you make once or at most a few times a year (which is easily doable without charging, and even more doable if you could lower yourself to fast charge for 10-15 minutes in your way home) is the most important journey you make? Strange logic.

eltoastero

It was a long read to get through the last dozen or so pages, good to see there's healthy debate still going on about the pros and cons of EVs/PHEVs etc.

But what sticks out is that the easiest thing to do is target the worst case scenarios:

"EV's take longer to refuel compared to ICE cars" being one of the main ones.

One small but regular win for the EV or PHEV: you don't have to spend 10 mins on a cold or frosty day with the engine running to heat the car up and to de-ice the windshield. Just preheat it (scheduled from within the car or via the app), using energy from the house (while plugged in) and leave with a full battery and warm car. A small regular win that adds up.

MightyMunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118290781#Comment_118290781

You save a fortune on deicer spray and I've scrapers too 😁

liamog

surely a person is entitled to spend what ever he wants on a car to do what he needs it to do and declare openly that a brand new EV is useless purchase not to mention a few years of degradation or should they repeat the same mistake after it drops a % or 2.

I will make this point a 20k second hand EV is probably more useless to me, if thats any help.

Of course you may spend what you like on any vehicle, nobody is forcing you to buy a new car. However I would be just as critical of your "expensive" comment if you were comparing the price of Skoda Kodiaq with a 3 year old second hand car, something that surprisingly isn't done in most reviews of new vehicles unless the drivetrain happens to be electric.

Not everyone chooses a vehicle based on a what if scenario that affects 2 out of 365 days. I prefer to pick a car that fulfils my needs for the other 363 days, and am willing to put up with the charger situation which is nowhere near as bad as most people make out. Ionity may be expensive, but it's generally available so I'd rather pay an extra €10 to charge on those 2 days, instead of pay an extra €8,000 to buy a bigger battery that will spend most of it's time going unused.

mfceiling

DCEV event taking place in Sandyford tomorrow evening 5.30 - 9.30. Register online at DCEV.ie

cannco253

https://youtu.be/Y81khabPGgU

Tritium Launch Event PKM 150

Co founder at 9:40 has some interesting comments.

Distributed architecture, scale up the power of each charging station and scale out the number of charging stations at each site

Haven't heard of Aqua Superpower before =;-)

"Supercharging the Côte d’Azur"

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118285197#Comment_118285197

id that with only night time charging? I know many people will top up during the day rate, to say 50-60% and then top up further at night

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294785#Comment_118294785

I would have assumed that was a rare occurrence. I've only topped up during the day two or three times in two years of EV ownership. Apart from the much higher cost (I pay 5c night and 23c day), I've almost never had the need.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294785#Comment_118294785

i cant see that being a very common occurence, would really only happen if an unexpected long journey was in the offing.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294785#Comment_118294785

Very rare occurrence. I've done approx 120k km across 3 EVs since we got night rate fitted. I've charged during the day rate once. Once. in that time, and that was when I had to do meath to wexford to meath to wexford in an Ioniq 28 and I wanted to make sure I made Gorey services on the second leg as I wanted a big mac!

I, like most who have an EV and night rate, are very fastidious about moving usage towards night rate and my current ratio is generally around 3.5:1 night to day usage. And that's with the two of us working from home in fintech, a coffee addict and 2 gamers (me and stepson) running consoles, laptops fans etc .

No one charges during the day if at all possible. Especially now with the increased day rates!

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295092#Comment_118295092

The only rationale i can imagine for what the poster was referring to would be someone who didnt have a 7kw charger and couldnt charge fully at night.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294785#Comment_118294785

45,000km and only once charged the car on day rate... it was about 2 weeks ago when it was really cold, SoC was 6%, so I charged it up to about 15%, before stopping the charge, so about 5kWh, a dark day indeed when I paid about €1 for electricity that should have only cost me about €0.50 on the night rate!!

No one else I know driving an EV charges it on day rate..

slave1

Think twice in 4 years of dual EV ownership.

But the big question is really......@ELM327 did you get that Big Mac!!!

ELM327

Absolutely. With 3% to spare too. (Although with the aggressive turtle at 5% in the Ioniq this is not an experience to be repeated)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295620#Comment_118295620

zg3409

I can't see where to register. The address on website is blackrock. I may be passing Sandyford at that time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118293561#Comment_118293561

Edit found it

https://dcev.ie/event/charge-into-christmas-with-dcev/

DC EV

Manion

I haven't really followed all the back and forth over the several pages. It feels like the bone of contention is on an topic that doesn't really feed into the buying decision for new car consumers anymore.

So anyway, I got a day/night meter installed today. To my surprise he didn't need to change the meter, it was already a digital meter capable of supporting night and day readings. Not sure what I'm paying the extra 75 Euro standing charge for then.

AndyBoBandy

The extra €75 is for the privilege of being able to avail of a much cheaper rate during the night periods….. so it’s now up to you to ensure you shift enough of your usage to night rate to negate that additional €75 standing charge.

I believe the magic number is something like 33% of usage on nights makes it worth while.

since getting my day/night meter, my usage at night is around 65%, so whatever the additional standing charge is for me becomes almost irrelevant.

I’ve now also got Solar PV so I expect that 65% of usage on nights to jump up to around 90+%

Manion

Doesn't seem justifiable somehow. Anyway, I ran the numbers based on my night versus day consumption and it works out a moderate saving, even without changing behaviour. Once the EV is delivered it becomes really worth while.

AndyBoBandy

I had the night meter for about 2 weeks before the car arrived, and even then, by simply shifting all dishwashing & clothes washing to the night period, I was already doing about 50/50, and therefore 'winning'.

Winning even more these days as I had a battery installed along with the Solar PV, and I now top up the battery at night, and use it throughout the following day along with solar production. As an example, yesterday I didn't use any imported day rate electricity from 8am - 6:20pm, as solar + the battery fed the house. it was only from 6:20pm - 11pm that I imported from the grid at the expensive day rate.. (importing slightly more these days as well as using the battery a bit faster with Christmas lights coming on)

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299479#Comment_118299479

Funny that as smart meters come in, situations like yours (and what I am aiming at) will become worth their weight in gold.

Electricity will become super expensive between 5-7pm and 7-9am.

Manion

Random thoughts: I was driving yesterday in my ICE car and I noticed I've only got a couple bars left in the tank. I'm going to have to make some time to go to a fuel station at the weekend to get diesel. It's such a hassle, I need to plan in making a stop. In a few months time all I'll have to do is plug in the EV at home. I no longer need to make a bespoke journey to a station or add in an extra 20 minutes to my journey time to stop off somewhere on the way.

I think of were honest that's the lived experience for most people. The more rural you live the more likely that making a trip to the petrol station is a hassle. I think the reason we obsess about the heavy user use car is because that's who EVs where targetted at, the more you drive the more value you get from the EV. Back in the day I had a 200km round trip daily commute. Every second day I'd be pulling into the petrol station to fill up and adding 25 minutes to an already long commute. An EV with a 500km range that I charged overnight would have been glorious.

slave1

I'm WFT at the minute, I enjoyed my EV public charge last night, some peace and quiet time

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299760#Comment_118299760

And if you have night rate 7am to 8 or 9am is super cheap time. I often set the washing machine to finish at 7:30am so I am up and awake and can unload it before clothes get damp/moldy . I don't like leaving washing machine on when asleep. Note the clock on your night meter can drift by 10 or 15 minutes so the 8am or 9am end can be off. I also have instant showers every morning before 8am so that water is heated on night rate. During the summer if heating water from electric immersion it makes sense to use a timer to try avoid heating water at non night rate times, along with a well insulated water tank.

In the future with smart meters we will be avoiding peak times, and it's particularly easy to do with hot water heating, as they store the heat. Ideally we need some sort of smart timer like an eddi to turn off or delay optional loads at high price times. Real reactive pricing would stop cars charging (for up to 30 minutes) and stop or delay washing machines automatically to avoid the real peak energy use. Things like heat pumps with underfloor heating could easily stop for 3+ hours if they were set up to heat before and after peak times. At times of excess wind heat pumps could operate extra hard to overheat house, EVs could kick in to charge above 80%, immersions start heating water, all helping the grid avoid peak highs and lows. In theory it's possible now and happening in the UK, but it's not yet a real universal standard. Most washing machines are not yet smart, only having fixed delay times.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118301654#Comment_118301654

I currently live across the road from a petrol station. I could figuratively and literally throw a stone from my window and it would reach the forecourt. That's as close as anyone could get to having a station at home. Yet it's still a hassle to have to stop and pay and refuel. We have a 7 seat petrol VW in addition to the EV and it costs €90-€100 to fill up. It's a pain !

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313878#Comment_118313878

We had a bulk derv tank in the yard, and even filling there was a pain compared to plugging the car in... Usually it was wet & dark 😂

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313987#Comment_118313987

Back when I lived out the country (as opposed to in the middle of a rural town) and I ran yokes on the green stuff I'd do similar. Still a pain. Plugging in is so much better than trying to fill liquid in the dark/rain/cold etc