Random EV thoughts.....

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118041952#Comment_118041952

There are a couple of 6-7 seater EVs out there, however in general they are very limited availibility

There's the Nissan ENV-200 Evalia, which can best be described as functional

Tesla Model X, if you win the euromillions

Mercedes EQV, or Citroen e-Spacetourer, if you're okay with vans

There's the VW ID.6 available in China. It's basically a bigger ID.4 with an extra row of seats. There's no definite plans to bring it to Europe yet

I've an ID.4 and it fits a baby seat and a fairly big kids booster seat no problem. There's no Isofix in the middle seat, but you can probably get a small booster seat in there. Or there's Isofox on the front seat if you get fed up of the kids fighting in the back seat

I'd say it's just big enough for 3 kids, but it might be a bit head wrecking if you're doing long journeys. However it does come with a partition net between the front and back. Doesn't do much for space but it could help with your mental health 😁

cannco253

In German only, recently opened "campus" between Stuttgart and Munich. Similar to Gridserve in Braintree, how long will it take for something like this to happen here, if ever?

https://youtu.be/qMYEnQgx9dk

some more detail

https://sortimo-innovationspark.de/

35kW 35ct kW/h

70kW 49ct kW/h

105kW 59ct kW/h

280kW 69ct kW/h

the_amazing_raisin

I really like the design of those chargers. The ones that hang down from the ceiling are genius, doesn't matter what way you park or where the charging port is

The ground mounted ones are really good as well, a lot less likely to be damaged by cars or someone leaving the plug on the ground

Minus points for needing an app, should be possible to just tap and pay, but I'm guessing the site is designed for plug and charge eventually

eagerv

Up in north atm. Been out and about last two days and only seen 1 model 3 (Dub reg) and one etron while charging. Not even the ubiquitous original Leaf to be seen.

Compared to home, uptake seems very slow. Can’t say I blame them with the charging situation

AndyBoBandy

On the school run yesterday (6km total), I saw 3 Model 3’s & 5 ID.4’s

mfceiling

Free charging...isn't it brilliant!! Had to go to dundrum today to do a few things. Park up, plug in and go and do my bits and pieces. Come back and I've added 30% to my battery....for free. That's roughly 120kms of free driving.

cannco253

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/maxol-group-warns-on-grid-capacity-as-it-reveals-electric-vehicle-charging-plan-1.4705952

As part of its €20 million investment programme for 2022, it wants to add EV charging hubs, with at least three chargers, to its sites in Ballycoolin in Dublin, Mitchelstown in Co Cork and Castletroy in Limerick, as well as four sites in the North.

Black_Knight

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzUwMDM4MjQucnNz/episode/dGFnOmF1ZGlvYm9vbS5jb20sMjAyMS0xMC0yMDovcG9zdHMvNzk2NDA3MA?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjI4_nzqNvzAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQLA

SEAI podcast on EVs. Nothing groundbreaking, but nice to hear

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118049813#Comment_118049813

Ballycoolin is a good one but the mulhuddart site on the M3 would be better

bkeane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052697#Comment_118052697

But Ballincoolin is beside a big ESB substation so cheaper to get a connection maybe?

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052697#Comment_118052697

The 1 thing going against the M3 Services in Mulhuddart is it's a bit of a ball ache to get back on the M3 outbound from it... other than that, it would be a great location for a hub of some sort.. Catch a lot of inbound traffic visiting Dublin, and a nice top up before hitting the M50/City..

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052826#Comment_118052826

I'd actually say Ballycoolin is the easiest to access from both directions. Mulhuddart is only really useful heading into the city, and a total PITA heading West

cannco253

https://youtu.be/KQATlYrOoLU

angry young man here....

"Hired gun for the luddites of mediocrity" has to be the quote of the year so far

slave1

That time of the year again folks, those of us with Night Rate need to change charging times over the weekend, going to Winter time of 11pm to 8am

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056114#Comment_118056114

Nah, my car is set to charge at 3am, and it’s always finished by about 7am…. Never have to worry about clocks changing!!!!!

also, just on this, does everyone actually schedule their car to charge at bang on midnight/11pm to coincide with the night rate starting? I’d say it puts an awful strain on the grid if you have thousands and thousands of cars all suddenly pulling 7kW at that exact same moment!!!

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056114#Comment_118056114

Not until Sunday 31st though......🙂

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056114#Comment_118056114

I've always just kept it in my head that night rates are between midnight and 8am. I lose an hour on one side but luckily it doesn't make a huge difference for me ye

cannco253

https://www.electrive.com/2021/10/19/stellantis-to-install-15000-ev-charging-hubs-across-europe/

"While the network will be open to the public, Stellantis customers will receive “exclusive conditions” that have yet to be set out. Installation is to begin before the year’s end in Italy. Stellantis does not disclose more information on the schedule and exact locations."

Might come here at some point?

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056114#Comment_118056114

Ah yes. Was in the back of my mind that was soon. I'll miss the early morning rush to get a wash and a tumble dry in before 9am. Always felt 9am was very late for what is an "off peak" rate. I kill charging at 7am here anyways. There'd be a potential for a perfect storm of car, washing machine, dryer, oven (mmmm scones) and a kettle to try trip the mains... again.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118058403#Comment_118058403

At least here in Ireland our main fuse/breaker isnt the ESB fuse!

Always seems weird to me, that watching electrician videos in the UK, the DNO fuse is the main fuse.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118057663#Comment_118057663

Ha, yeah they'll put type 3c plugs on the chargers hand out adapters with each car so only stellantis cars can use them

15,000 isn't that many when you consider the size of most European countries. France alone has 67 million people, so even 1% EV adoption and occasional public charging use would quickly overwhelm that network

NIMAN

Got to thinking about home charging and the new big batteries that are coming on cars.

As the owner of a Leaf24 with 6.6kw charging, I have no issue with overnight charging fitting within the cheap rate electricity time slot.

But what about these new, much bigger batteries (not even sure what the largest battery available on a production model EV is now?).

What is the max power that a home will allow an EV to charge at, without getting any special modification done to your electrical system at home?

AndyBoBandy

Tesla’s have been coming with 100kWh batteries for years now.

in reality though who’s going to be charging from 0-100% every night?

night period is 9 hours, so you could take on 63kWh in that time. If you needed more in a single nightly charge, I’d say that’d be an outlier rather than the norm.

Reati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065121#Comment_118065121

Most chargers will top out about 7.2kwh on a single phase connection iirc. You need 3 phase above that and that doesn't come standard and has additional install charges, work etc.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056222#Comment_118056222

Beware the clock on your night rate meter can drift a bit over time, as in 10 or 15 minutes different from actual time. It's worse on older more mechanical clocks but the newer ones are supposed to get messages to correct themselves but some don't. Check the time on the meter versus your phone time. I typically set it to come on quite late for multiple reasons

1) I don't want car sitting at 100% for long periods un necessarily

2) Charging warns battery increasing range but battery cools after charging stops, so handy having warmer battery in morning.

3) I have preheat cabin set to come on, the amount of preheat depends on the weather, but typically 15 minutes, I make sure charging is finished before preheat comes on. This also warms the battery and reduces the need for cabin heating increasing the range.

4) I have charging set to continue way past normal say until 9am, in case battery is very, very low but also car equalises the cells when at 100%. Preheat can also drain battery below 100% as it takes more power than charger provides, so sometimes battery is 99% after preheat.

I typically start charging at 00:25 or 01:25 until 09:00 which gives times for battery to fill to 100% no matter how low.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065121#Comment_118065121

It'd take 11 hours to charge my ID.4 from flat on the home charger, so it'll spill outside the night rate a bit

As others have said, for now charging that amount daily is a bit of an outlier, so you can fill up the battery over a couple of days if needed

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065859#Comment_118065859

What rate does your ID3 charge at? Battery size?

Just wondering what you'd have to do to charge your car fully within the night rate, say maybe in 5 yrs time when big batteries are the norm?

What sort of cost is involved to get a 3-phase install done?

fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066126#Comment_118066126

You’d never be charging from zero though. And very rarely to full. We charge to 80% except in hours before I commute to Dublin I’ll charge to 90% even though I don’t need to.

this is our GOM with 80% charge now. (77kwh battery)

NIMAN

I appreciate it you'll never be starting at 0% battery, but just curious about what charging speeds at home will be in the future?

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066493#Comment_118066493

It’s hard to see home charging speeds exceeding 7kW in the near future. You can always pay ESB a small fortune to upgrade your home supply to 3ph, possibly replace your home charger to take advantage of it and you might also need a car that can charge faster than 7kW AC (like an older Tesla MS or MX with upgraded AC charger).