Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

joeguevara

sid waddell wrote: »

You're wrong. It is an abbreviation. Your belief is wrong.

Everybody who is anti-fascist is antifa.

The air of consternation and hurt feelings among a lot of posters in this thread is very funny.

You come across as a troll. Antifa is a loose collection of different groups who decided to hijack a so-called abbreviation.

What is the point of what you are asking? Why not simply ask are people against facism. A movement, even with so good aims, doesn't make their actions correct. You come across as a poor secondary school debater.

Conar

sid waddell wrote: »

There is no group "Antifa", unless you mean that any people in close proximity constitutes a group, ie. a group of people in a pub, ie. the literal everyday version of the word?

But there's no organisation called Antifa, if that's what you mean.

There is only anti-fascism.

If you are anti-fascism you are antifa. It's just an abbreviation.

Antifa
/ˈantɪfɑː,anˈtiːfə/
noun
a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology.
"Saturday's rally had the support of Antifa, whose sworn enemy is the far right"


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I think it's fairly obvious that people are telling you they don't associate with those groups.
Being anti-facist and associating with 'protest groups that affiliate by their militant opposition to fascism' are as different as Ghandi is/was to the IRA in their desire to remove British rule.

Eric Cartman

Im anti communist
Im anti fascist
Im not antifa
Antifa as a group are the closest thing to fascism we have in the western world.
I'd never elect Gemma O'Doherty/Irexit party but id still rather them than antifa.

Antifas biggest problem is the ever widening drag-net of what is 'far right'
Their second biggest problem is the violent, desctructive way in which they try 'achieve' their goals.

gailforecast

GooglePlus wrote: »

Does OP understand the difference between antifa and being against facism?

Antifa uses aggressive methods to spread their ideologies and tears down anyone with opposing views... Sounds familiar

This is clearly a wind up.

sid waddell

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

What you are finding is a lot of centrists who oppose right wing authoritarian movements and the equally authoritarian left wing movement who have, very cutely, named themselves anti-fa.

It's phenomenally easy to comprehend, if only thats what you were here for

This subject is phenomenally easy to comprehend. But yet you can't comprehend it. Antifa is anti-fascism.

If you oppose antifa, you oppose anti-fascism.

This misunderstanding is what happens when a load of far right people who spend all their time on the internet are confronted with reality.

bennyl10

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Got any proof that most of Ireland is Antifa?

I get the feeling you don't really know much about Irish people...

You think most Irish people are pro right wing and fascism?

Becuase that is what ‘not being antifa’ is.
It’s not a fringe group, it’s not a organisation. It’s literally people who are against right wing policies, homophobia, racism etc

Is there people who decide to actually protest and fight these groups? Sure.

The entire meaning of ‘antifa’ is anti-fascism

And yes that is the majority if irish people

sid waddell

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im anti fascist
Im not antifa

That's a fundamental contradiction.

Wibbs

GooglePlus wrote: »

Does OP understand the difference between antifa and being against facism?

Hell the OP doesn't even understand what fascism is. Just bringing in more US imported divisive nonsense, which he un self consciously in turn accuses others of doing and completely misses the irony. The capacity for irony and self awareness is a sure sign of any ideologue of any ideology.

Poor_old_gill

sid waddell wrote: »

This subject is phenomenally easy to comprehend. But yet you can't comprehend it. Antifa is anti-fascism.

If you oppose antifa, you oppose anti-fascism.

This misunderstanding is what happens when a load of far right people who spend all their time on the internet are confronted with reality.

I think this is all a bit too much for you to be honest.

I'll refer you back to my first comment - I am against all movements that attempt to impose their beliefs upon me, especially violent movements.

Some I am anti-fascist but I am also against the radical & violent left wing group that call themselves anti-fa.

I really hope that clears it up for you because I dont think I can make it more simple

sid waddell

bennyl10 wrote: »

You think most Irish people are pro right wing and fascism?

Becuase that is what ‘not being antifa’ is.
It’s not a fringe group, it’s not a organisation. It’s literally people who are against right wing policies, homophobia, racism etc

Is there people who decide to actually protest and fight these groups? Sure.

The entire meaning of ‘antifa’ is anti-fascism

And yes that is the majority if irish people

Spot on.

biko

sid waddell wrote: »

You tell us anti-fascism is equivalent to Nazism?

Flesh that out, there.

If anti-fascists are "equivalent to the Nazis", as you say, and Nazis are Nazis, what sort of people are not either Nazis or equivalent to the Nazis?

Those who are not Nazis but tolerate Nazis?

That seems a crazy opinion.

How about you write a stern letter to Washington Post that you object to them calling you a Nazi?

jam_mac_jam

bennyl10 wrote: »

You think most Irish people are pro right wing and fascism?

Becuase that is what ‘not being antifa’ is.
It’s not a fringe group, it’s not a organisation. It’s literally people who are against right wing policies, homophobia, racism etc

Is there people who decide to actually protest and fight these groups? Sure.

The entire meaning of ‘antifa’ is anti-fascism

And yes that is the majority if irish people

Why do they hold hammer and sickle flags then?

A flag which to many on this country is as offensive as a Nazi flag.

bennyl10

bennyl10 wrote: »

You think most Irish people are pro right wing and fascism?

I'm genuinely questioning some peoples ability to read what's written as opposed to what they want to see.

Becuase that is what ‘not being antifa’ is.
It’s not a fringe group, it’s not a organisation. It’s literally people who are against right wing policies, homophobia, racism etc

It's a series of groups containing people who are interested in controlling others, and imposing their own beliefs on to others.

They've picked a variety of justifications, but they're still interested in control. TBH I see little different between them and ISIS... both interested in controlling others and making sure everyone plays by their draconian rules.

Is there people who decide to actually protest and fight these groups? Sure.

The entire meaning of ‘antifa’ is anti-fascism

And yes that is the majority if irish people

I asked for proof to support that statement. Repeating it over and over isn't proof.

sid waddell

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I think this is all a bit too much for you to be honest.

I'll refer you back to my first comment - I am against all movements that attempt to impose their beliefs upon me, especially violent movements.

Some I am anti-fascist but I am also against the radical & violent left wing group that call themselves anti-fa.

I really hope that clears it up for you because I dont think I can make it more simple

"This is all too much for you" is not an argument. It's an ad hominem that is designed to mask your lack of argument.

There is no such an organisation as antifa.

Antifa means "anti-fascist".

You can't be both anti-fascist and against antifa.

It's incredible that this still has to be pointed out.

maccored

joeguevara wrote: »

Being Anti-Fascist and pro Antifa (the group) are two completely separate propositions.

the group? there is no 'group'. Antifa (anti-Facist) is a varied collection of many groups

jam_mac_jam

sid waddell wrote: »

You tell us anti-fascism is equivalent to Nazism?

Flesh that out, there.

If anti-fascists are "equivalent to the Nazis", as you say, and Nazis are Nazis, what sort of people are not either Nazis or equivalent to the Nazis?

Those who are not Nazis but tolerate Nazis?

That seems a crazy opinion.

Neo Nazis not Nazis. Nazis are members of the National socialist party of Germany up to the second world war.

GooglePlus

OP would fit in nicely with the Antifa crew.

sid waddell

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why do they hold hammer and sickle flags then?

A flag which to many on this country is as offensive as a Nazi flag.

Yeah but "many" as you term it is relative. In terms of our population as a whole I'd bet it's very, very few.

And people who consider a hammer and sickle flag to be as offensive as a Nazi flag are really stupid.

And I thought the far right was all about "freeze peach" and defending "freeze peach"?

Now it seems that may not be the case at all! Well, knock me down with a feather!

biko

bennyl10 wrote: »

The entire meaning of ‘antifa’ is anti-fascism
And yes that is the majority if irish people

I am also certain the majority of Irish people are opposed to fascism. And yet they don't mask themselves like AntiFa do.
Antifa tries to hijack real causes for their own gain. They are parasites on other's causes.

Here we see some real protesters, and a masked idiot being told to leave by the real protesters.


https://www.thejournal.ie/yellow-vest-ireland-4440420-Jan2019/

joeguevara

maccored wrote: »

the group? there is no 'group'. Antifa (anti-Facist) is a varied collection of many groups

Ok, if you are going to act like a 13 year old debater, ill treat you like one. Define group.

Poor_old_gill

sid waddell wrote: »

"This is all too much for you" is not an argument. It's an ad hominem that is designed to mask your lack of argument.

There is no such an organisation as antifa.

Antifa means "anti-fascist".

You can't be both anti-fascist and against antifa.

It's incredible that this still has to be pointed out.

It is a movement - a violent, left wing political movement and yes you can be opposed to both fascism and also be opposed to the violent, left wing political movement that have labelled themselves 'anti-fa'

Your dis-ingenuity when discussing this is akin to Gerry Adams "I was never in the IRA" claims

Onshuh

I'm Bob Loblaw.

sid waddell

GooglePlus wrote: »

OP would fit in nicely with the Antifa crew.

I'm antifa and said so in the OP. I'm antifa, like most Irish people are.

jam_mac_jam

sid waddell wrote: »

Yeah but "many" as you term it is relative. In terms of our population as a whole I'd bet it's very, very few.

And people who consider a hammer and sickle flag to be as offensive as a Nazi flag are really stupid.

And I thought the far right was all about "freeze peach" and defending "freeze peach"?

Now it seems that may not be the case at all! Well, knock me down with a feather!

Are they really stupid? Maybe they are Polish or Hungarian or are familiar with what happens under these regimes.

Not really sure what you are talking about in relation to freeze peach? Maybe I am just so stupid and far right.

Because I oppose communism? I am stupid?

Or maybe I know a tiny bit about 20th century.

maccored

joeguevara wrote: »

Ok, if you are going to act like a 13 year old debater, ill treat you like one. Define group.

Act like a thirteen year old? Well, I suppose a thirteen year old would know that antifa is a collection of different groups with varying beliefs, all based around anti fascism - rather than all being one group with the same aspirations and ideals.

you don't seem to understand that.

Mr Meanor

Most Irish people are left leaning social conservatives.
Certain aligned groups have now dictated that Irish left leaning Conservatives are fascist.
These groups labelling those same Irish people as facist are collectively known as 'AntiFa'.
There is no half way house with them, you must be identified, one way or another.


Where in history have I heard something like this before?

sid waddell

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It is a movement - a violent, left wing political movement and yes you can be opposed to both fascism and also be opposed to the violent, left wing political movement that have labelled themselves 'anti-fa'

Your dis-ingenuity when discussing this is akin to Gerry Adams "I was never in the IRA" claims

No, antifa is not an organisation. There is no such organisation.

There have been some people that have been violent against fascists, but, then, being violent against fascists is hardly the worst thing in the world.

I mean the French resistance were violent against Nazis.

Seems a lot of people here were against the French resistance.

This thread would remind you of the yobs making Nazi salutes who went on the rampage in London recently on the pretext of "protecting the statue of Churchill".

But Churchill was antifa and very definitely anti-Nazi!

sid waddell

sid waddell wrote: »

I'm antifa, like most Irish people are.

Prove it. Any proper surveys or research that backs up the claim with actual statistics?

You keep repeating that statement, and I'll keep asking you to prove it.

Around and around in circles. yay

jam_mac_jam

sid waddell wrote: »

No, antifa is not an organisation. There is no such organisation.

There have been some people that have been violent against fascists, but, then, being violent against fascists is hardly the worst thing in the world.

I mean the French resistance were violent against Nazis.

Seems a lot of people here were against the French resistance.

This thread would remind you of the yobs making Nazi salutes who went on the rampage in London recently on the pretext of "protecting the statue of Churchill".

But Churchill was antifa and very definitely anti-Nazi!

You do know that Churchill was extremely anti communist don't you?

endacl

Mr Meanor wrote: »

Where in history have I heard something like this before?

It’s Gulliver’s big-endians and little-endians all over again.