Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Jamiekelly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Donald T running this country would be fun. The sit on your hole waster types would be cleared out.

Career wasters would be on vouchers and not 3 bed houses.

Yeah corruption is a great laugh isn't it. He can stay in Doonbeg and charge the state a few million for the pleasure. Sure why don't we bring Bertie back while we're at it for the craic like. :rolleyes:

jochenstacker

I wish for just one single Trump supporter who could defend Trump on rational grounds, intelligent discussion and facts.
Seems there are none, because if you have the capability for those, you immediately realise that Trump is indefensible.

duploelabs

jochenstacker wrote: »

I wish for just one single Trump supporter who could defend Trump on rational grounds, intelligent discussion and facts.
Seems there are none, because if you have the capability for those, you immediately realise that Trump is indefensible.

In fairness, there's been a few republicans on here who defend their side, not Trump's side, which is refreshing. But as you said, yet to have a foaming mouthed MAGA who is able to use simple citation, empirical evidence, or directly answer questions

Timberrrrrrrr

noel1980 wrote: »

Kiddo? WTF? I'll pretend I didn't hear that.



I was hoping you'd give me one specific example which we could use as a talking point, 1 out of 10000, is that hard?, but you chose the lazy choice of throwing out a few links. Shame.

Not a few links, just the 2, the 2nd one has a list of his lies so take your pick. Also i need to apologise to you as i said it's 10,000 lies. It's not.....it's over 12,000 now so you have plenty to take your pick from.

Well, I did google "10000 lies by trump" and it seems you got this from a Washington Post article from about April. Funny thing is, I can't find the actual list anywhere.


Let's just say I'm skeptical. [B[They claim he's lied over 10,000 times yet can't furnish me with the list, like is it top secret or something? I really want to see this list.[/b]


IDK. I think I made the wrong choice of posting here. Obviously everybody here is much smarter than me. I won't be posting any more.

You cant click a link and read for yourself?


Here's a good one to get the ball rolling

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/apr/29/donald-trump/donald-trump-repeats-falsely-doctors-mothers-decid/

relax carry on

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Donald T running this country would be fun. The sit on your hole waster types would be cleared out.

Career wasters would be on vouchers and not 3 bed houses.

And that pretty much to my mind is the main reason why Trump fanatics put up with/hide from themselves his utter unfitness for any position of power/influence. They will put up with anyone or anything that looks like it's delivering on areas they fervently believe in. It can be putting it up to the libtards (their own version of), dealing with the spongers in society (their own version of); re-establishing the position of the white male in society etc.

You cannot reason with someone like that. The only thing that would make them turn from Trump is him directly attacking the areas that are important to them. Until he does that then he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any core supporters.

Quin_Dub

##Mod Note##

All,

Up the standards please

everlast75

relax carry on wrote: »

And that pretty much to my mind is the main reason why Trump fanatics put up with/hide from themselves his utter unfitness for any position of power/influence. They will put up with anyone or anything that looks like it's delivering on areas they fervently believe in. It can be putting it up to the libtards (their own version of), dealing with the spongers in society (their own version of); re-establishing the position of the white male in society etc.

You cannot reason with someone like that. The only thing that would make them turn from Trump is him directly attacking the areas that are important to them. Until he does that then he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any core supporters.

I'm pleased to note that we have moved on from two years of saying "no collusion" to them coming out and saying there was absolutely collusion and there's nothing wrong with it!

Any senior Reps on the record defending this?

ricero

Biden and his son reek of corruption. Joe Biden's reaction has said it all, a man on the attack because the web is closing in.

Check-mate for the Donald. Trump 2020 is a cert.

Cody montana

ricero wrote: »

Biden and his son reek of corruption. Joe Biden's reaction has said it all, a man on the attack because the web is closing in.

Check-mate for the Donald. Trump 2020 is a cert.

What corruption?
Bribing a foreign government to get political dirt on your opponent?

20Cent

ricero wrote: »

Biden and his son reek of corruption. Joe Biden's reaction has said it all, a man on the attack because the web is closing in.

Check-mate for the Donald. Trump 2020 is a cert.

If you think Biden using his position to enrich his family is bad wait till you hear about this trump fella.

Itssoeasy

noel1980 wrote: »

duploelabs wrote: »

Covfefe

I can never understand people who say Trump rambles and talks incoherent nonsense when most of the time he communicates clearly and effectively apart from the odd typo here and there on a tweet. He's 73. Give him a break!

Read a transcript of him talking and see if you still believe he communicates clearly. His train of thought is
Like a train on dodgy tracks.

noel1980

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Donald T running this country would be fun. The sit on your hole waster types would be cleared out.

Career wasters would be on vouchers and not 3 bed houses.

T H A N K S

noel1980

ricero wrote: »

Biden and his son reek of corruption. Joe Biden's reaction has said it all, a man on the attack because the web is closing in.

Check-mate for the Donald. Trump 2020 is a cert.

The democrats don't mind sacrificing Biden if it can damage DJT.


I read an interesting conspiracy theory that DJT was in fact the whistle-blower and it sounds plausible because it would mean the MSM would be focusing on Biden + son & their corrupt, dodgy dealings.


FOX news are already at it.

ricero

ricero wrote: »

Biden and his son reek of corruption. Joe Biden's reaction has said it all, a man on the attack because the web is closing in.

Check-mate for the Donald. Trump 2020 is a cert.

It's always funny seeing Trumpers complain about corruption. Brightens up my day immensely. If slacking off every other weekend at your own golf course and charging the tax payers for you to do it isn't corrupt what is? Or having the airforce stay at your crappy hotel and charging them for it, or encouraging foreign diplomats etc to stay at your hotels etc. What about cheating on your wife who had just given birth with a porn star and then paying the porn star to keep quiet? I could go on but i'm sure by now you can see where I'm going with this.

PopePalpatine

I'd imagine it's "corruption" in the reactionary Gemmaroid sense of the word.

pixelburp

I suppose if you keep to the "liberal owning" headlines and clickbait, you miss the corruption that's actually going on and makes it easier to cheer Trump as drainer of the swamp. Or at the very minimum the blatant cronyism such as the environmental departments stacked with ex fossil fuel lobbyists. Or the Irish golf trips on the public purse. Or ex members like Pruitt who were found to be corrupt. And so on.

The Trump admin is demonstrably corrupt, the facts are easily found if you wish to search for them, but if you stick to the braggadocio and Shíposter in Chief tweets, then you'll never see the problems underneath.

Washington is sloshing with money and you'd want to be naive to think Biden isn't roped up in it (he was caught out attending a dinner hosted by a fossil fuel businessman, days after his own proposed environmental legislation and crocodile tears over the deepening crisis), but you'd also want to be wilfully ignorant to think Trump hasn't brought his own contributions to the swamp.

The worst part is that lobbyist fueled deregulation such as redefining coal ash disposal, striping the endangered species act, or opening up new drilling locations will mean it'll be the American people that suffer. Certainly with items like the coal ash redefinition, Flint II is a matter of when, not if.

Edit: and of course, the usual retort when the details are pointed out is bad faith snark, waffle about Irish people being "obsessed" with Trump, for having the temerity to look into the actions of his admin. Can't win really.

jochenstacker

Trump is a proven liar, a proven collaborator with Russia and openly corrupt.
If you support him, it is not despite these, but precisely because of these things and that would make you an enemy of democracy and the USA.
Or someone with a sub 50 IQ. Traitor or moron, there is no other choice.

edit:
Of course there is also the choice of wanting to appear "edgy" on them interwebs, though that could be said to belong to option B.

noel1980

jochenstacker wrote: »

a proven collaborator with Russia

Please, enlighten me

Any, that's not to say there's anything wrong with collusion. The MSM has everybody brainwashed that it's a bad thing. Countries collude (aka co-operate) all the time. Don't let the MSM fool you into thinking this is a bad thing.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with making alliances on the international stage, even if it's pre-election.

BTW even if Trump is all these things you say, his supposed corruption pales in comparison to the alternative: Hillary. Now there's a corrupt politician. You need to accept that the Russia thing is over. There was a big investigation and they found no evidence of collusion. Time to move on.

You're using the standard lib-tard script of "Trump is a... xyz If you support Trump then you're an... xyz too".

Let me ask you this... if you have a leak in your kitchen, and you need to call a plumber, and you have a choice of 2 plumbers: Plumber #1 is well-spoken, well-dressed, and agrees with all your political views, but he's a **** plumber, and you can rest assured that he'll either not fix the leak or fix it temporarily but it will come back even worse, whereas plumber #2 is gruff, curses a lot, often says sexist and/or racist things, and his arse crack shows when he's bending down, but he's an awesome plumber, and he'll get the job done right first time, which one are you gonna choose?

Igotadose

noel1980 wrote: »

Please, enlighten me

There's absolutely nothing wrong with making alliances on the international stage, even if it's pre-election.

Since when? "Alliances?" Only the Federal government can make 'alliances' that concern the US. Businesses can obviously enter into contracts and dealings (all of which, of course, are subject to review by the relevant authorities). But Alliances? No. And only Congress can approve treaties.

BTW even if Trump is all these things you say, his supposed corruption pales in comparison to the alternative: Hillary.

Sorry, was she elected?

noel1980

Igotadose wrote: »

Since when? "Alliances?" Only the Federal government can make 'alliances' that concern the US. Businesses can obviously enter into contracts and dealings (all of which, of course, are subject to review by the relevant authorities). But Alliances? No. And only Congress can approve treaties.

Ok "Alliances" is too strong a word, but if it suits Russia for DJT to become president and Russia gets up to some **** DJT sits back and just lets it happen, then so what? There was no evidence of collusion found anyway. And you still haven't answered the question.

Sorry, was she elected?

No, thank God

jochenstacker

noel1980 wrote: »

Please, enlighten me

Any, that's not to say there's anything wrong with collusion.

Aaand I don't have to read further than that.

noel1980

noel1980 wrote: »

jochenstacker wrote: »

a proven collaborator with Russia

Please, enlighten me

Any, that's not to say there's anything wrong with collusion. The MSM has everybody brainwashed that it's a bad thing. Countries collude (aka co-operate) all the time. Don't let the MSM fool you into thinking this is a bad thing.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with making alliances on the international stage, even if it's pre-election.

BTW even if Trump is all these things you say, his supposed corruption pales in comparison to the alternative: Hillary. Now there's a corrupt politician. You need to accept that the Russia thing is over. There was a big investigation and they found no evidence of collusion. Time to move on.

You're using the standard lib-tard script of "Trump is a... xyz If you support Trump then you're an... xyz too".

Let me ask you this... if you have a leak in your kitchen, and you need to call a plumber, and you have a choice of 2 plumbers: Plumber #1 is well-spoken, well-dressed, and agrees with all your political views, but he's a **** plumber, and you can rest assured that he'll either not fix the leak or fix it temporarily but it will come back even worse, whereas plumber #2 is gruff, curses a lot, often says sexist and/or racist things, and his arse crack shows when he's bending down, but he's an awesome plumber, and he'll get the job done right first time, which one are you gonna choose?

You are insinuating that Trump is an awesome president, reality proves you wrong on a daily basis. His lack of success at anything is proof of that. Good effort at trolling though.

noel1980

Deleted User wrote: »

You are insinuating that Trump is an awesome president, reality proves you wrong on a daily basis. His lack of success at anything is proof of that. Good effort at trolling though.

What do you mean his lack of success at anything?

• African-American unemployment is at an all-time low, as is unemployment in general, it's close to all-time lows.
• Under Trump, *legal* immigration is a big success story. The US has really upped their standards in who they accept so they only get the best immigrants.
• Making progress with N. Korea
• Strengthened the military, yet has not started any wars
• Poverty rates going down
• Building the wall

This is just a few, I'm sure there's a much more comprehensive list out there somewhere.

Edit: Forgot to mention... Trump is planning big things in the area of space. This is an area that is close to the heart of many Americans and non-Americans. He's incredibly passionate in this area and wants to oversee another manned mission to the moon, as well as the first manned mission to Mars.

In short he wants America's best and brightest to be working on space exploration and pushing the boundaries of humanity, instead of working at social networking companies.

circadian

noel1980 wrote: »

What do you mean his lack of success at anything?

• African-American unemployment is at an all-time low, as is unemployment in general, it's close to all-time lows.
• Under Trump, *legal* immigration is a big success story. The US has really upped their standards in who they accept so they only get the best immigrants.
• Making progress with N. Korea
• Strengthened the military, yet has not started any wars
• Poverty rates going down
• Building the wall

This is just a few, I'm sure there's a much more comprehensive list out there somewhere.

I'm sure there is a comprehensive list out there, but I'm not seeing any sources to back any of these claims up.

The wall is not being built and Mexico is not paying for it. As for immigration, how is splitting up families and putting kids in what are effectively concentration camps a big success story? He inherited a good economy from Obama. The space force thing is nonsense. You sound a lot like RIGOLO, same nonsense right-wing nutjob talking points that have been debunked time and time again. North Korea? What progress? He got played repeatedly by them, also does anyone remember when he saluted the North Korean General!

noel1980

Deleted User wrote: »

The wall is not being built and Mexico is not paying for it. As for immigration, how is splitting up families and putting kids in what are effectively concentration camps a big success story? He inherited a good economy from Obama. The space force thing is nonsense. You sound a lot like RIGOLO, same nonsense right-wing nutjob talking points that have been debunked time and time again. North Korea? What progress? He got played repeatedly by them, also does anyone remember when he saluted the North Korean General!

[last post]


I'm wasting my time here. The American people will have their say in 2020. It will be Trump or Elizabeth Warren (all the other candidates are a joke). You (or I) can quote statistics until we're blue in the face, but in the end what counts, and only counts, is each American citizen's perception of the effects Trump's policies have had in their lives. If they feel things are going well, they'll keep him in. Otherwise, they'll vote him out.

Timberrrrrrrr

noel1980 wrote: »

last post


I'm wasting my time here. The American people will have their say in 2020. It will be Trump or Elizabeth Warren (all the other candidates are a joke). You (or I) can quote statistics until we're blue in the face, but in the end what counts, and only counts, is each American citizen's perception of the effects Trump's policies have had in their lives. If they feel things are going well, they'll keep him in. Otherwise, they'll vote him out.

You say this

It really isn't though;)

As another poster has said, you sound awfully like a previous poster who threw out many of the "positives" while ignoring the negatives and refusing to answer basic questions.

jochenstacker

noel1980 wrote: »

[last post]


I'm wasting my time here. The American people will have their say in 2020. It will be Trump or Elizabeth Warren (all the other candidates are a joke). You (or I) can quote statistics until we're blue in the face, but in the end what counts, and only counts, is each American citizen's perception of the effects Trump's policies have had in their lives. If they feel things are going well, they'll keep him in. Otherwise, they'll vote him out.

This is actually a well-reasoned post that I find myself in agreement with.

Ben Done

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You say this

It really isn't though;)

As another poster has said, you sound awfully like a previous poster who threw out many of the "positives" while ignoring the negatives and refusing to answer basic questions.

In fairness to the previous poster, there was at least a little élan.

rossie1977

noel1980 wrote: »

BTW even if Trump is all these things you say, his supposed corruption pales in comparison to the alternative: Hillary. Now there's a corrupt politician. You need to accept that the Russia thing is over. There was a big investigation and they found no evidence of collusion. Time to move on.

Explain how Hillary Clinton is more corrupt.

The Trump foundation is the one that was forced closed down

I don't remember Hillary Clinton starting a "University" and scamming people out of money

I don't remember Hillary Clinton entering a thriving resort town like Atlantic City, buying up bunch of casinos then falling into bankruptcy leaving entire city a ghost-town.

I would be pretty sure if Hillary Clinton had become president she wouldn't have been doing so to further her business. It's illegal for an American president to not separate themselves from their business while in office..yet Trump flaunts the rules.

I highly doubt Hillary Clinton would employ members of her family in leading roles in government. Again that's illegal for a US President yet Trump flaunts the rules.

I highly doubt in her first 2 years as President 89 different members of her team would be indicted and 24 convicted of criminal offenses. After all Obama had nobody indicted in 8 years and her husband had 2 people in 8 and just the one convicted.

Hillary Clinton was raked over the coals by a Republican led Congress for two years and questioned over things that George Bush Jr and Trumps own team have not been questioned. And as partisan as the Republicans are they found nothing. Trump on the other hand never once had to address Congress or explain his actions in public. The "investigation" was started by his own hand-picked DA.