Clare GAA Discussion part 2 , No Purple Jumpers Allowed !!

The Lost Sheep

BloodyBill wrote: »

Happens everytime in Cusack Park. Not enough staff on is just poor poor planning. It's so disappointing.
Regarding the under 20s footballers training 5 times a week. It's a complete joke. The Munster under 20 rugby team dont do 5 field sessions a week and their professional. Its just over training. The sign of a manager who doesnt know what hes doing. They ll get a good whalloping by a team training 3 times a week.

Munster under 20 rugby side are not professional but yeah they dont do 5 field sessions a week. Pro rugby sides do about 3 pitch sessions a week depending on if theyve a game that week.

fire_man wrote: »

Are the 20s doing 5 field sessions?Maybe they have 2 gym sessions and 3 on the field.

that would sound much more likely

Treble double

Clareman wrote: »

For those who can't be there the Clare Champion are going to be live streaming it

https://twitter.com/ClareChampion/status/1214182366941470721?s=20

Is this game only being hyped because it is a same county clash, I can understand the novelty factor of that. Have any of these teams a realistic chance of winning the Harty. What was their form like in getting this far. Will it even be a competitive match, seems to be overhyped for a schools quarter finals

windy shepard henderson

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Munster under 20 rugby side are not professional but yeah they dont do 5 field sessions a week. Pro rugby sides do about 3 pitch sessions a week depending on if theyve a game that week.

that would sound much more likely

its normally 2 to 3 sessions a recovery session and a challenge match , the team would meet up 5 times a week but not train 5 times a week there would be several recovery sessions involved otherwise the training would be useless and bring on injuries

BnB

Treble double wrote: »

Is this game only being hyped because it is a same county clash, I can understand the novelty factor of that. Have any of these teams a realistic chance of winning the Harty. What was their form like in getting this far. Will it even be a competitive match, seems to be overhyped for a schools quarter finals

Sorry about that. We'll try to tone it down a bit

The Lost Sheep

Treble double wrote: »

Is this game only being hyped because it is a same county clash, I can understand the novelty factor of that. Have any of these teams a realistic chance of winning the Harty. What was their form like in getting this far. Will it even be a competitive match, seems to be overhyped for a schools quarter finals

what do you see as too much hype/coverage? should the chances of either side winning the competition really impact coverage?

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

its normally 2 to 3 sessions a recovery session and a challenge match, the team would meet up 5 times a week but not train 5 times a week there would be several recovery sessions involved otherwise the training would be useless and bring on injuries

3 sessions a week on pitch and then gym or recovery isnt much at all.
Depends on intensity and what's been done in training whether you can it's useless or not...

windy shepard henderson

Treble double wrote: »

Is this game only being hyped because it is a same county clash, I can understand the novelty factor of that. Have any of these teams a realistic chance of winning the Harty. What was their form like in getting this far. Will it even be a competitive match, seems to be overhyped for a schools quarter finals

its a huge game especially for tulla , it rarely ever happens that you have two clare teams in the 1/4 finals of the the harty cup , personally i cant remember two clare teams meeting at this stage of the competition

tulla have never been this far before , the derby factor is huge , both schools would have lads on from the same parishes likes of clooney/quinn the mills and tulla areas especially

they would also know each other inside out from development squads and minor level intercounty especially , its not about wining the competition out its about getting to the next round , flannens are huge favorites should be taken with a pinch of salt , holders midleton struggled to see off tulla until late in the first round game and they would fancy there chances of pulling off a win here, they have yet to win a game however advancing through on score difference after a draw with bandon

St Flananns results

group B

round 1 St. Flannans College Ennis 2-17 Blackwater Community School Lismore 2-11

round 2.St. Flannans College Ennis 0-21V1-14 De La Salle College Waterford

round 3 St Flannan’s College Ennis 1-9 - 0-13 Gaelcholáiste Mhuire AG - An Mhainistir Thuaidh (North Monastery)


Tulla Results

round 1 CBS Midleton 2-9V0-10 St. Josephs Secondary School Tulla

round 2 St. Josephs Secondary School Tulla 0-14V1-11 Árdscoil Uí Urmaltaigh Bandon

windy shepard henderson

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

what do you see as too much hype/coverage? should the chances of either side winning the competition really impact coverage?

3 sessions a week on pitch and then gym or recovery isnt much at all.
Depends on intensity and what's been done in training whether you can it's useless or not...

usually its training tuesday , thursday , match of training saturday and recovery session sunday , with the underage teams in the lead up to a championship ( minor level in recent years in both codes )

because there is nothing else on my assumption is they have gone for a 5th session on the friday night of the weekend again my assumption is it would be light work and tactics , tuesday and thursday nights would be heavier training

form speaking to people involved in the past with minor teams it would be something like this but normally over 4 nights and not 5 as there would be other club competitions on at the time

Clareman

This bunch of Clare minors is a great bunch, so good that Davy is keeping his finger in the pie so to speak, the fact that the 2 teams are meeting show that there'll be at least 1 Clare team in the semi final and in schools matches anything can happen from then on.

I don't know about "hype" but isn't it a great display of technology that quarter finals of school matches can be seen live online all over the world, when I went to Flannan's you had to wait till the next day to find out the result unless you went to the match, which was a great way of getting a half day off school

Clareman

Teams are doing 3/4/5 sessions a week now but they are short sessions, maybe an hour with loads of flexibility and ball work, a lot better in my opinion of the "old" days with 2 hours sessions twice a week, maybe training with schools clubs at other stages.

Niallers87

Clareman wrote: »

This bunch of Clare minors is a great bunch, so good that Davy is keeping his finger in the pie so to speak, the fact that the 2 teams are meeting show that there'll be at least 1 Clare team in the semi final and in schools matches anything can happen from then on.

I don't know about "hype" but isn't it a great display of technology that quarter finals of school matches can be seen live online all over the world, when I went to Flannan's you had to wait till the next day to find out the result unless you went to the match, which was a great way of getting a half day off school

How is he keeping "his finger in the pie" so to speak? Can you elaborate?

Banner2theend

St Flannans Ennis 3-17 St Josephs Tulla 0-16 - Result Harty Cup quarter-final

So an impressive 10 point win for the Brendan Bugler coached side, as St Flannans booked their spot in the Harty Cup semi-final against Our Lady's Templemore.

Clareman mentioned a certain DF is "keeping his finger in the pie" and it was clear with the way that the Ennis school set up defensively, that phrase is certainly so true. Cian Galvin, was the designated sweeper for one. Plenty of crowding in the middle third and short passing from the back. The influence of Fitz jnr. and Bugs, who is part of DF's management team for the Wexford senior hurlers in 2020, was there for all to see.

Diarmuid Cahill was outstanding for the winners with 2-4 in total. This kid has a serious engine and is a hugely exciting talent indeed. Conner Hegarty bagged 1-3 and was a towering figure, with his meandering runs from the middle, always a constant threat from the middle of the field. Corofin/Ruan's Killian O'Connor also impressed with 0-3.

In defense for the winners, Cian Galvin as sweeper, even though I despise the sight of the "s" word and Darragh Healy were most impressive with their aerial ability, along with their excellent reading of the game really stood out.

For St Josephs Tulla, I felt that Darragh Keogh who was very impressive with frees and his workrate were one of many players from the East Clare school that played well today. Along with Oisin Clune, Andrew Conheady and Cormac Murphy, they all played their part for in what was a very enjoyable game of hurling, in Ennis this afternoon.

I think the one thing that stood out for St Flannans was the DF influence was written all over this team, although with Brendan Bugler involved with them, it's not one bit surprising. They now play Our Lady's Templemore in the semi-final of the Harty Cup. A huge day awaits for the Ennis school and despite my misgivings about certain aspects of the style of play that management have implemented, most notably the dreaded "sweeper" my main point of concern, they will have no fear of the Tipp school. Time, date and venue for that one TBC.

Before that though Flannans have to play the mighty St Brendans Killarney in the 1/4 final of the Corn Ui Mhuiri football, next Wednesday. They will be up against it though, against what is sure to be a very formidable opponent, in the shape of the Kerry lads. Best of luck to them and finally hard luck to Tulla, on what was a very special occasion for Clare schools GAA.

Clareman

Niallers87 wrote: »

How is he keeping "his finger in the pie" so to speak? Can you elaborate?

Have a look of the style of play that teams are playing when "friends" of his are managing the team, the Clare minors were a talented bunch at under 16 but when they got to minor their style of play changed to a mirror of hus "style", might be a complete fluke of course

Marty Xavier

come on lads, Davy has enough to be going on with than ghost coaching St Flannan's and Clare minors last year.
Just because Bugler employed Galvin much as Lynch did last year can't be attributed to Fitz. If these lads were influenced by DF well fair enough, they are playing a modern brand of hurling that lest we forget Anthony Daly kind of invented with Alan Markham sweeping against Kilkenny in the 2004 (?) All Ireland semi final.
Remember Clare vs Galway in 2018? Colm Galvin reverted to sweeper just in time to stop a hiding in the drawn game and was started there in the replay.
Was DF on the phone to Donal Moloney advising him?
Stop being so paranoid about Fitz.

windy shepard henderson

Marty Xavier wrote: »

come on lads, Davy has enough to be going on with than ghost coaching St Flannan's and Clare minors last year.
Just because Bugler employed Galvin much as Lynch did last year can't be attributed to Fitz. If these lads were influenced by DF well fair enough, they are playing a modern brand of hurling that lest we forget Anthony Daly kind of invented with Alan Markham sweeping against Kilkenny in the 2004 (?) All Ireland semi final.
Remember Clare vs Galway in 2018? Colm Galvin reverted to sweeper just in time to stop a hiding in the drawn game and was started there in the replay.
Was DF on the phone to Donal Moloney advising him?
Stop being so paranoid about Fitz.

we are not being paranoid about the clare minor team , the directive was brusier was to get the job and implement the fitz tactics , its how he was given the job

when he wanted to implement his own tactics and bring in his own coaches the board were having none of it and he left his role before christmas

i know two people one was a coach , that was involved in clare underage teams up to around 3 years ago where all tactics and training methods came from the top mans son

this is the reason no one wants davey or pat in or around the clare hurling set ups

Banner2theend

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

we are not being paranoid about the clare minor team , the directive was brusier was to get the job and implement the fitz tactics , its how he was given the job

when he wanted to implement his own tactics and bring in his own coaches the board were having none of it and he left his role before christmas

i know two people one was a coach , that was involved in clare underage teams up to around 3 years ago where all tactics and training methods came from the top mans son

this is the reason no one wants davey or pat in or around the clare hurling set ups

The official line was that a lack of resources and budget was the chief reason why Bruiser left the Clare minor hurling manager role. If your second paragraph is true and to be honest I think you are extremely genuine windy, then my esteem for Fergal Lynch goes up a good few notches.

It's well known that it is not a coincidence that DF and his father are calling the shots on all underage Clare teams and that includes the St Flannans College senior team. If Brendan "Bugs" Bugler gets the Clare minor manager's gig in 2021, then you will well and truly know who's boss.

There's no love in the Banner County re influence of DF methods on underage teams and PF's determination to get his son returning to the Clare senior hurling manager's hot-seat in 2021 is there for all to see. Please God that no club delegate will sanction such a DF return, because if they did then Clare hurling is goosed for some time to come yet.

Banner2theend

Any word on the actual throw-in time for tomorrow's Liam O'Connor Cup U20 Football match between Clare v Offaly, in Miltown Malbay?

Howitzer the 5th

Marty Xavier wrote: »

come on lads, Davy has enough to be going on with than ghost coaching St Flannan's and Clare minors last year.
Just because Bugler employed Galvin much as Lynch did last year can't be attributed to Fitz. If these lads were influenced by DF well fair enough, they are playing a modern brand of hurling that lest we forget Anthony Daly kind of invented with Alan Markham sweeping against Kilkenny in the 2004 (?) All Ireland semi final.
Remember Clare vs Galway in 2018? Colm Galvin reverted to sweeper just in time to stop a hiding in the drawn game and was started there in the replay.
Was DF on the phone to Donal Moloney advising him?
Stop being so paranoid about Fitz.

Davy Fitzgerald I believe with no great doubt is a complete narcissist. He has a hugely inflated sense of his own importance, and a deep unhealthy need for excessive attention and admiration. He has a huge advantage in Clare gaa in that his father remains, astonishingly in 2020, the county secretary and by default is his son's ultimate facilitator. He is the key to maintaining Davy's hopes of resuming a role as Clare senior hurling boss, be it next year or two years. Without Daddy, it's over. With Dadda Pat there, he can keep twitching away with various teams to build towards resuming the role he craves to control above all. All other teams are fluff. They line the pockets(handsomely) but Clare is the oracle. That is how it is. Be in little doubt.

Marty Xavier

Well, I am in doubt, you are giving these lads way too much credit.

windy shepard henderson

stats from the clare echo of the number of dismissals revived per club in last years league and championships , these are done on a duel basis so it would look worse on the likes of eire og. wolfe tones or barefield , black cards are taken into account for football teams , in terms of hurling the worst culprits are inagh k and bodyke to be fair to inagh they had 3 teams in senior , intermediate and junior , while bodyke lets just say didnt disappoint :pac: ,

in football lissycasey picked up 6 reds and 5 black cards , kilmurry are in 2nd , eire og cant be takin into account as they are the figures of both codes

Éire Óg – 11
Lissycasey – 11
Kilmurry Ibrickane – 10
Doora/Barefield – 8
Clondegad – 8
Bodyke – 8
Wolfe Tones – 8
Inagh/Kilnamona – 8
Feakle – 7
Corofin – 7
Cratloe – 7
Coolmeen – 6
Clonlara – 5
Newmarket-on-Fergus – 5
Doonbeg – 5
Broadford – 4
Killanena – 4
O’Callaghans Mills – 4
St Breckans – 4
Miltown – 4
Naomh Eoin – 3
Kilmaley – 3
Kilmihil – 3
O’Currys – 3
Sixmilebridge – 3
Liscannor – 3
Parteen – 3
Banner – 2
Scariff – 2
Tubber – 2
Tulla – 2
Ballyea – 2
Kildysart – 2
Killimer – 2
Clarecastle – 2
Clooney/Quin – 2
Crusheen – 2
Cooraclare – 2
Shannon Gaels – 2
Ennistymon – 2
Michael Cusacks – 2
Meelick – 2
St Senans Kilkee – 2
Ballyvaughan – 1
Kilrush Shamrocks – 1
Smith O’Briens – 1
Ruan – 1
Whitegate – 1

Figerty

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

stats from the clare echo of the number of dismissals revived per club in last years league and championships , these are done on a duel basis so it would look worse on the likes of eire og. wolfe tones or barefield , black cards are taken into account for football teams , in terms of hurling the worst culprits are inagh k and bodyke to be fair to inagh they had 3 teams in senior , intermediate and junior , while bodyke lets just say didnt disappoint :pac: ,

in football lissycasey picked up 6 reds and 5 black cards , kilmurry are in 2nd , eire og cant be takin into account as they are the figures of both codes

Éire Óg – 11
Lissycasey – 11
Kilmurry Ibrickane – 10
Doora/Barefield – 8
Clondegad – 8
Bodyke – 8
Wolfe Tones – 8
Inagh/Kilnamona – 8
Feakle – 7
Corofin – 7
Cratloe – 7
Coolmeen – 6
Clonlara – 5
Newmarket-on-Fergus – 5
Doonbeg – 5
Broadford – 4
Killanena – 4
O’Callaghans Mills – 4
St Breckans – 4
Miltown – 4
Naomh Eoin – 3
Kilmaley – 3
Kilmihil – 3
O’Currys – 3
Sixmilebridge – 3
Liscannor – 3
Parteen – 3
Banner – 2
Scariff – 2
Tubber – 2
Tulla – 2
Ballyea – 2
Kildysart – 2
Killimer – 2
Clarecastle – 2
Clooney/Quin – 2
Crusheen – 2
Cooraclare – 2
Shannon Gaels – 2
Ennistymon – 2
Michael Cusacks – 2
Meelick – 2
St Senans Kilkee – 2
Ballyvaughan – 1
Kilrush Shamrocks – 1
Smith O’Briens – 1
Ruan – 1
Whitegate – 1

So in other words,, a stupid exercise in statistics.

windy shepard henderson

Figerty wrote: »

So in other words,, a stupid exercise in statistics.

a high number of exercises in statics are overused in the gaa , pauric mcmahon went to the trouble here , i had nothing better to be doing at the time but to bore ye with is :rolleyes:

Figerty

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

a high number of exercises in statics are overused in the gaa , pauric mcmahon went to the trouble here , i had nothing better to be doing at the time but to bore ye with is :rolleyes:

If anyone is going to go that far collecting raw date, then do something useful with it like Cards per game. Championship vs League..

Otherwise it's like the quote below..
.
Andrew Lang
“He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination.”

supernova5

Anyone know what the story is with Rory Hayes [Wolfe Tones]

Feenie

In my opinion the answer to the Clare underage situation is that Anthony Daly should be managing the minors and for u20 I think Seanie McMahon, Ollie Baker or Ger O'Loughlin are good candidates to take over that reign. Anthony Daly is huge on youth development(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9AdzLdG41c&t=655s) and has done good work with the Limerick Minors.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's important veterans of Clare hurling get involved with local hurling in Clare, I.E both the clubs and primary and secondary schools.

Treble double

Eoin Cleary named Clare football captain for the year. Congratulations and best of luck to him for the year ahead, fine footballer and appears to be a solid character
Slightly surprised David Tubridy didn't get the nod. He must be on the go nearly 15 years and carried the team on his back during the bad times.
Taking over from Gary Brennan is an onerous task

Clareman

Why do we have to keep going back to the team of the 90s? Daly, Sparrow and Baker have all had a go at senior level, Seanie hasn't shown a lot of interest but is doing loads of great work with Barefield, 95 was 25 years ago, time to move on.

Daly did great work in Limerick and it's paying off now but a lot of that work was funded by JP who got the right people involved in the right places at the right time, helps that they have 3 3rd level colleges in Limerick. I think structures have to be put in place at underage with a clear pathway to intercounty with support for clubs and schools but as that'll cost money that won't happen and if it does happen it'll be jobs for the boys.

Clareman

Treble double wrote: »

Eoin Cleary named Clare football captain for the year. Congratulations and best of luck to him for the year ahead, fine footballer and appears to be a solid character
Slightly surprised David Tubridy didn't get the nod. He must be on the go nearly 15 years and carried the team on his back during the bad times.
Taking over from Gary Brennan is an onerous task

I'd imagine Tubs is going to have enough effort in getting himself ready for the matches so not giving him the extra responsibility of captaincy would be a distraction, let him concentrate on his own game. Cleary is a great call for captain anyway, really leads from the front.

Banner2theend

Matches of note from a Clare point of view this weekend.

Friday 17th January: Clare v Waterford, senior hurling challenge match at Dr. Morris Park Thurles, throw-in time TBC

Saturday 18th January: Clare v Kildare, minor hurling challenge match at UL, throw-in is at 12 noon.

Saturday 18th January: Wicklow v Clare, Liam O'Connor Cup U20 Football competition at Aughrim, throw-in is at 2 pm.

Commiserations to St Flannans College U19 footballers, who went down by a single point against St Brendans Killarney, in Ballyagran today, in the 1/4 final of the Corn Ui Mhuiri Munster senior Post-primary schools A football championship.

The final score was St Brendans 0-14 St Flannans 1-10

Banner2theend

Banner2theend wrote: »

Matches of note from a Clare point of view this weekend.

Friday 17th January: Clare v Waterford, senior hurling challenge match at Dr. Morris Park Thurles, throw-in time TBC

Saturday 18th January: Clare v Kildare, minor hurling challenge match at UL, throw-in is at 12 noon.

Saturday 18th January: Wicklow v Clare, Liam O'Connor Cup U20 Football competition at Aughrim, throw-in is at 2 pm.

Commiserations to St Flannans College U19 footballers, who went down by a single point against St Brendans Killarney, in Ballyagran today, in the 1/4 final of the Corn Ui Mhuiri Munster senior Post-primary schools A football championship.

The final score was St Brendans 0-14 St Flannans 1-10

Results this weekend from a Clare point of view.

The Clare U20 footballers lost by a point to Wicklow, in the final round of fixtures of the Liam O'Connor Cup today in Aughrim. The full time score was Wicklow 1-13 Clare 1-12.

Despite this defeat Clare have qualified for the final of this pre-season competition, courtesy of finishing top of the group, thanks to better scoring difference then both Offaly and Wicklow, who along with Clare ended with 4 points from 3 matches. We play Offaly in next weekend's final at a Clare venue. Time, date and venue TBC.

Meanwhile the Clare senior hurlers went down by a point against Waterford, in a competitive challenge match last night. While an experimental Clare minor hurling team were comfortable double digit point winners over Kildare, played on the astro pitch in UL, this lunchtime.

On a separate note, Eire Og's and Clare senior footballer Gavin Cooney has scored a crucial goal for Avenue United in their FAI Junior Cup 5th round tie against Trim Celtic. Great soccer player too, Gavin is likely to play a big part for Colm Collins' Clare team in the upcoming league campaign.

windy shepard henderson

the 2020 leagues start at the weekend ,the footballers go into battle in westmeath without all star nominees gary brennan or jamie malone

brennan missed just 3 games under colm collins tenure since 2013 all in the 2017 division 2 campaign

2017 Division 2 : Round 3 Galway..... 3-13 - 1-11.... Clare Pearse Stadium, Salthill
2017 Division 2 :Round 4 Clare ...... 2-11 - 0-09...... Cork Cusack Park, Ennis
2017 Division 2 : Round 7 Clare....... 1-13 - 3-19...... Meath Cusack Park, Ennis

while many people have been talking down the footballers chances because of brennans exit from the panel it offers a huge chance for the younger lads from the development squads to break into the panel, there is some very talented players coming through especially from the two minor teams that reached the all ireland 1/4 finals in 2018 ans 2017

westmeath are in bother also in terms of selection for sunday , tallies man john heslin is struggling with injury , his last involvement was 0-7 (6f) against meath in the o'byrne cup in december , ger egan ,tommy mcdaniel and kerian martin are all likely to miss the game through injury the 3 combined to scoring 0-10 out f westmeath's 0-15 points in the round 3 qualifier last june ,

ray connellan is back with the westmeath panel after a spell in Australia but also unlikely to start ,

westmeath are on the rise again but given the injuries at the moment i would give us a chance here in this one a win here would give clare a huge chance of avoiding a repeat season of last year where a late keelan sexton goal was required to stay in the division

laois are probably the weakest team in the division , and given the fact john sugrue left in the off season dosnt help there chances ,th jury is still out in regards fermanagh also , while westmeaths injuries could set them back , with 4 home games to come consolidation is very much possible in brennan and malones absence 6 points would be an achievable target