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Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

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    #242
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,912 ✭✭✭circadian


    SirGerryAdams wrote: »
    It's not like muslims will be feeling sorry for these people anyways.

    What's that got to do with the price of bread?


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    #243
    Nikki Sixx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Nikki Sixx


    SirGerryAdams wrote: »
    Why has this made international news anyways? It's an assault. There's murders that don't even make the news so I wonder why this made it. The picture has something to do with it I suppose!

    I’m sure people get a beating in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick everyday without making the news.


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    #244
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    What are these worse crimes? What are the stats in the UK?

    Key statistics from police recorded crimes in 2017 :

    57,600 rapes recorded by police in 2018 (157 per day)
    39,598 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument (108 per day)
    6,604 offences involving firearms - up from 5,864 in 2016 (18 per day)
    688 homicides (nearly 2 per day)

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecution-england-wales-victims-court-cps-police-a8885961.html
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43905407


    All of them worse than this incident, and yet this one makes international news , so what's so rare, special and newsworthy about it exactly ?


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    #245
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    SirGerryAdams wrote: »
    It's not like muslims will be feeling sorry for these people anyways.
    Strange. Did someone say they will?


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    #246
    Hobosan
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    I’m sure people get a beating in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick everyday without making the news.

    The amount of deranged and sometimes murderous psychos I've encountered leaves me bemused at the homophobia angle.

    Girls attacked by violent deranged psychos would be more accurate. But that happens all the time, and the perpetrators are probably well known by the locals too.


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    #247
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Key statistics from police recorded crimes in 2017 :

    57,600 rapes recorded by police in 2018 (157 per day)
    39,598 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument (108 per day)
    6,604 offences involving firearms - up from 5,864 in 2016 (18 per day)
    688 homicides (nearly 2 per day)

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecution-england-wales-victims-court-cps-police-a8885961.html
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43905407


    All of them worse than this incident, and yet this one makes international news , so what's so rare, special and newsworthy about it exactly ?

    It's just fodder for the perpetually outraged and people who look at gays as if they're different or need special treatment...

    I'm a gay man and I think it's pathetic.

    Bunch of whiners making an issue about a few knobs attacking people...

    There's scuffles going on all over the place.
    I was in a gay bar in Manchester a few times and if you seen the scraps there, some of those gay guys are hard nuts....

    They can fight as agressively as any other man.


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    #248
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,221 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    B0jangles wrote: »
    After Hours these days is 99% a cesspit of racist, sexist, homophobic bigots plus those who just want to protect the right of racist, sexist homophobic bigots to speak their minds, for ideological reasons.

    Is it? I honestly don't understand where this theory comes from. Yes there are some far right assholes, but there are also some far left assholes.

    But overall my impression as a fairly infrequent visitor/contributor is that AH is a predominantly left leaning area.

    Look at this thread as an example, yes one or 2 go straight for the "must have been a Muslim" angle, but the majority of the posts have been condemning that approach.

    Maybe AH has a regular group of far right posters who make a lot of noise, but I would certainly feel that in terms of "population" its a more left leaning crowd.


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    #249
    Billy Mays
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    Hedgelayer wrote: »
    It's just fodder for the perpetually outraged and people who look at gays as if they're different or need special treatment...

    I'm a gay man and I think it's pathetic.

    Bunch of whiners making an issue about a few knobs attacking people...

    There's scuffles going on all over the place.
    I was in a gay bar in Manchester a few times and if you seen the scraps there, some of those gay guys are hard nuts....

    They can fight as agressively as any other man.
    Yeah but these were 2 women so a bit different to some tough lads in a bar


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    #250
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Yeah but these were 2 women so a bit different to some tough lads in a bar

    women being attacked is so unusual it makes an individual international headline?


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    #251
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Key statistics from police recorded crimes in 2017 :

    57,600 rapes recorded by police in 2018 (157 per day)
    39,598 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument (108 per day)
    6,604 offences involving firearms - up from 5,864 in 2016 (18 per day)
    688 homicides (nearly 2 per day)

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-prosecution-england-wales-victims-court-cps-police-a8885961.html
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43905407


    All of them worse than this incident, and yet this one makes international news , so what's so rare, special and newsworthy about it exactly ?

    I was interested in the bolded bit below:
    Nobelium wrote: »
    I can't see why worse crimes committed on public transport every day of the week and the victims are ignored, but this is somehow unusual rare and special enough to make international news ?

    I should have made that clearer. What are the stats on crimes on public transport? You did specify.


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    #252
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I was interested in the bolded bit below:

    I should have made that clearer. What are the stats on crimes on public transport? You did specify.

    you can dig them up yourself this time, are they extremely rare ?


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    #253
    Kimsang
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    The utter hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. While not calling out the OP for " Why do some men get upset, angry and offended at gay people existing", they also attack other posters for querying more descriptors of the attackers. I suppose its ok to attack an entire half of the population if they are men.

    Interesting that the gender of the attackers was also revealed and no one had a problem with that.
    Here is a news report from the Limerick Leader of 1 week ago where 4 girls attacked another girl. Where is the thread about this or is it also somehow the patriarchy's fault.

    Were I to write a thread along the lines of OP's based on this story, it would read "Why do some women get upset, angry and offended at other women existing", you can see the hypocrisy in not calling the OP out.


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    #254
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Nobelium wrote: »
    you can dig them up yourself this time, are they extremely rare ?

    Oh, you seemed to know a bit about frequency of crime on public transport in the UK, going by your wording. Was that not the case?


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    #255
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Oh, you seemed to know a bit about frequency of crime on public transport in the UK, going by your wording. Was that not the case?

    You think it's rare and special ? off you go this time and provide the stats


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    #256
    Atlantic Dawn
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    They have people in custody for it, they have not released the CCTV, it happened a week ago why did it only go in to the news a week later? Who decides on timing to relase this, were they waiting for maximum exposure when Trump left? All crimes are crimes, strategically releasing them is corrupt.


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    #257
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Nobelium wrote: »
    women being attacked is so unusual it makes an individual international headline?
    No but it's a completely different situation to a few lads scrapping in a bar

    The fact they were attattacked cos they wouldn't put on a little lesbian show for a gang of scrotes on a bus is why it's in the news. But if it's not that unusual I'm sure you can dig out a few cases of it happening before


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    #258
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    An Hiro wrote: »
    Why did they release a picture of themselves battered? Very odd.
    Odd how?

    Loads of people who've been the victim of assaults release pictures of their injuries


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    #259
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Nobelium wrote: »
    You think it's rare and special ? off you go this time and provide the stats

    I’m making no assumptions. And made no claims, unlike your good self. The onus isn’t on me here, I’m sorry to tell you.The absolute crime stats are above but neither linked article mentions public transport. You claimed that more serious crimes are happening on public transport “every day of the week”. The absolute cheek of you to ask me to back up your claim. :) If you don’t have stats to back up that point, just concede.


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    #260
    Birneybau
    Registered Users Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    You've made an assumption it wasnt a group of gays. I'm sorry, but you don't know this. As such, your following points are invalid and you appear to find it blinding to your train of thought to see that people aren't just seeing this incident solely as "homophobic attack on two lesbians by men" but discussing the incident.

    If you want a little echo chamber, go to Twitter and block those who upset you like a good poster.

    Thankfully, those of us here years/non-re-regs, know all about the ignore function.


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    #261
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Kimsang wrote: »
    The utter hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. While not calling out the OP for " Why do some men get upset, angry and offended at gay people existing", they also attack other posters for querying more descriptors of the attackers. I suppose its ok to attack an entire half of the population if they are men.

    Interesting that the gender of the attackers was also revealed and no one had a problem with that.
    Here is a news report from the Limerick Leader of 1 week ago where 4 girls attacked another girl. Where is the thread about this or is it also somehow the patriarchy's fault.

    Were I to write a thread along the lines of OP's based on this story, it would read "Why do some women get upset, angry and offended at other women existing", you can see the hypocrisy in not calling the OP out.
    Of course it's not ok to attack the male population - who suggested that? The word "some" was even used. And of course the Limerick attack isn't the fault of "the patriarchy". Strange lot of putting words in people's mouths. The sex of attackers is always mentioned.

    How come you didn't start a thread about the Limerick attack?


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    #262
    Nobelium
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I’m making no assumptions. And made no claims, unlike your good self. The onus isn’t on me here, I’m sorry to tell you.The absolute crime stats are above but neither linked article mentions public transport. You claimed that more serious crimes are happening on public transport “every day of the week”. The absolute cheek of you to ask me to back up your claim. :) If you don’t have stats to back up that point, just concede.

    Do you dispute crimes on public transport are common or not ?

    If so, why are public transport are so rare that they deserve an international headline as you seem to think, and also why is the location of the crime unusual enough to warrant international headlines ?


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    #263
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    You've made an assumption it wasnt a group of gays. I'm sorry, but you don't know this. As such, your following points are invalid and you appear to find it blinding to your train of thought to see that people aren't just seeing this incident solely as "homophobic attack on two lesbians by men" but discussing the incident.

    If you want a little echo chamber, go to Twitter and block those who upset you like a good poster.
    How likely do you think it is that they're a group of gay guys?


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    #264
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    Will you not even acknowledge that they could just as easily have attacked somebody else? Okay the lesbians drew their attention, but it could have been anybody “different” or unthreatening on that train.

    It could have been anyone but it wasn't. They attacked those girls because they knew they were a couple, because their being a couple drew their attention. They taunted them lewdly. Of course it was because they were gay.

    I don't doubt they could have attacked anyone. But they did attack those girls and it is quite clear that they singled them out and attacked them because they were a couple.

    If a group of white English lads attacked an African man and made racist taunts, you would not be making this same argument that it wasn't racist. You know it wouldn't wash.
    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    Is an attack on a heterosexual a “heterosexual attack?”

    Notwithstanding the semantic problems with that sentence, if someone was singled out for being heterosexual and therefore attacked - yes, it would be an attack motivated by the fact they were heterosexual.

    Ridiculous bollocksology.


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    #265
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »
    Of course it's not ok to attack the male population - who suggested that? The word "some" was even used. And of course the Limerick attack isn't the fault of "the patriarchy". Strange lot of putting words in people's mouths. The sex of attackers is always mentioned.

    How come you didn't start a thread about the Limerick attack?

    I didn't deem it newsworthy as people are attacked all the time. Even by the Limerick Leader standards it didn't get much of a write up; because it can't be politicized.

    I genuinely fear when I see good reasonable people such as yourself not see the blindingly obvious attack on men here. Were I to say some women are 'insert your favourite stereotype' I would be lambasted and rightly so. Its stereotyping and it leads to racism and sexism.

    How about if I were to start a thread about a terrorist attack and start with "Why do some muslims get upset at other people existing" It would quite rightly be seen as an attack on muslims. Instead people usually affirm how much of a religion of peace it is. The equivalent in this news story would be to affirm how peaceful men are, after an individual man attacks someone.


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    #266
    SirGerryAdams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 499 ✭✭SirGerryAdams


    Everyone should buy some costa coffee or guinness to show support for LGBT after this attack.


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    #267
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    After Hours now seems to exist in this paradoxical wedge of the universe where the Gay Agenda and/or Jews are in control of the media and have a monopoly on power but at the very same time Islam is always just about to become the official religion of Europe.

    It's like it has it's own five-second-rule: some of you will pick up and swallow any old right-wing BS as long as you don't have to think about it for any longer than that.

    It would be funny if it wasn't so f*cking sad.


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    #268
    [Deleted User]
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Like Jessie Smolett was assaulted for being gay? This is receiving a suspiciously large amount of coverage despite being incredibly scant on details. I think it is healthy to have a certain level of scepticism and curiosity. And I think you will find that no one for one second would disagree in expressing disgust and anger at those girls being randomly assaulted.

    Really didn't see any posted by certain posters wanting to know the skin colour etc of the attackers or why it's news story, or being called on the same. Basically not even getting the prelude to the .. but.... part nowadays, standards are slipping.


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    #269
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    wiggle16 wrote: »
    After Hours now seems to exist in this paradoxical wedge of the universe where the Gay Agenda and/or Jews are in control of the media and have a monopoly on power but at the very same time Islam is always just about to become the official religion of Europe.

    It's like it has it's own five-second-rule: some of you will pick up and swallow any old right-wing BS as long as you don't have to think about it for any longer than that.

    It would be funny if it wasn't so f*cking sad.

    I don't know why you bring this up, but in real terms there are 1.8billion adherents to islam. In comparison there are 15million jews worldwide.

    I myself am an atheist, but I always admired the jewish appreciation of eduacation. Maybe that could explain why they have proportionally far more nobel prizes than anyone else, or I guess you could claim conspiracy...

    "Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 900 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population."


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    #270
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Do you dispute crimes on public transport are common or not ?

    If so, why are public transport are so rare that they deserve an international headline as you seem to think, and also why is the location of the crime unusual enough to warrant international headlines ?

    I have no idea if they are or not. And the links provided didn’t make things clearer. That’s why I was hoping you’d have more information to back up your claim. What’s the problem?


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    #271
    alchemist33
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    You'd think a 25 page (on mobile) thread on an assault would mostly be about comoassion for the victims or condemnation of the perpetrators, but no. It was driven first by people assuming the scumbags were black or muslim (maybe they are, maybe they aren't) and now by whataboutery. There probably are other victims worse off this weekend, but the incessant questioning of why this made news, rather than sympathy being expressed for the victims, is disturbing.


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