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ICC World Cup 2019

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    #1022
    blueser
    Registered Users Posts: 10,691 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Seeing as how Irl is a now a full member of ICC, can we poach English born & bred players with Irish connections now, does anyone know? Lads who wouldn't be considered good enough for Eng but who might give us more depth. Mightn't be good for the game here of course, in terms of developing home talent but still, what's sauce for the goose etc?
    Why not? I'm assuming there's nothing in the rule book to stop you doing that.


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    #1023
    blueser
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    Loved Williamson's comment on the streaky "six" that Ben scored when the throw back to the stumps hit his bat and went to the boundary; " yeah, bit of a shame that". No bitterness on his part. Comes across as a cracking bloke, actually.


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    #1024
    riffmongous
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    mickger844posts wrote: »
    As have England done for decades in Cricket. The list is a long one.



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    #1025
    Buer
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    You're right!

    No way.


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    #1026
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Seeing as how Irl is a now a full member of ICC, can we poach English born & bred players with Irish connections now, does anyone know? Lads who wouldn't be considered good enough for Eng but who might give us more depth. Mightn't be good for the game here of course, in terms of developing home talent but still, what's sauce for the goose etc?

    Plenty of foreign lads have played for Ireland, some of our best still are. The difference is though that they are like you said lads who wouldn't get a shot at international cricket otherwise. They're not hurting their own country by playing for other teams, unlike Morgan who should have been sent back after failing at tests


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    #1027
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    mickger844posts wrote: »
    As have England done for decades in Cricket. The list is a long one.

    If people of differing nationalities have put down roots and made themselves at home here or in England or anywhere for that matter then of course they should be allowed to play for whomever they choose.
    Ireland will soon have native born Sth Asians, Aussies and Sth Africans as well as English eligible to play for Ireland and very welcome they’ll be too.
    A big well done and congrats to Eoin Morgan and I assume Liam Plunkett today on their fantastic achievement in winning the CWC with England.
    Thrilling evening on the Telly between Lords and SW19!


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    #1028
    Darc19
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    And he had little to do with it, 9 from 22 is a failure by any standard, his captaincy ain't that special

    Do you not know that he devised a new style of play for England and this was the culmination of four years of work.

    But petty nationalists would hate to understand that.


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    #1029
    riffmongous
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    Buer wrote: »
    No way.

    Well there was a few years from when it was announced that Ireland weren't going to be allowed, I'm sure you remember


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    #1030
    riffmongous
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    Darc19 wrote: »
    Do you not know that he devised a new style of play for England and this was the culmination of four years of work.

    But petty nationalists would hate to understand that.

    Why did you ignore my post where I said he shouldnt get anti-english abuse? We're talking about a tournament played between national countries so of course there's got to be some nationalism :rolleyes: Not every one is an Eoin Morgan


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    #1031
    Guy:Incognito
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Well there was a few years from when it was announced that Ireland weren't going to be allowed, I'm sure you remember

    We played in the last one. But then you knew that and were just trying to have a moan.


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    #1032
    Buer
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Well there was a few years from when it was announced that Ireland weren't going to be allowed, I'm sure you remember

    And the well publicised tournament last year for qualification where we competed was completely whitewashed?

    Or you just don't have a clue and didn't know that a significant international tournament took place....


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    #1033
    riffmongous
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    We played in the last one. But then you knew that and were just trying to have a moan.

    The plans to reduce the size of the tournament go back to 2011, the announcement of allowing non test teams to qualify was at the end of 2017. I know that


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    #1034
    riffmongous
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    Buer wrote: »
    And the well publicised tournament last year for qualification where we competed was completely whitewashed?

    Or you just don't have a clue and didn't know that a significant international tournament took place....

    I've been following Ireland long enough to forget


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    #1035
    Buer
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I've been following Ireland long enough to forget

    You forgot about an international CWC competition took place involving our national side 12 months ago yet you feel well placed to wax lyrical about representing our national side and criticising someone who did for years?

    You've embarrassed yourself repeatedly. You don't have a clue.


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    #1036
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Anyway like I said I'm happy to drop it and get back to the actual match itself. There used to be a specific thread for this conversation but it was locked a few months ago, probably should have kept it open,


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    #1037
    Buer
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Anyway like I said I'm happy to drop it and get back to the actual match itself. ,

    I would be too if I were you after your bluffing.


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    #1038
    riffmongous
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    Buer wrote: »
    You forgot about an international CWC competition took place involving our national side 12 months ago yet you feel well placed to wax lyrical about representing our national side and criticising someone who did for years?

    You've embarrassed yourself repeatedly. You don't have a clue.

    You know how many tournaments and games we've played since then? Of course you do because you've been here following them. Oh wait, 20 posts I see. Here don't let the door hit you on the way out and see you next world cup


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    #1039
    Scrabbel
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    Skid X wrote: »
    A few upset Kiwi tweets listed on this page of the New Zealand Herald, although in fairness anyone who stayed up all night to lose so narrowly is entitled to let off some steam


    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249505


    Epic game, pleased to see England win but New Zealand would also have been worthy winners.


    Wow, your link led to me to another article with something I never realised i.e. Ben Stokes is a Kiwi himself. Though he was moulded by the English cricket system all the way from 12.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249519


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    #1040
    mattser
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    Congratulations England and Eoin Morgan. Unbelieveable dramatic finish.


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    #1041
    blackcard
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    Delighted for Eoin Morgan, it has been widely acknowledged that he was instrumental in bringing a team from 7/8th in the world to becoming World Champions. Would love to see him back playing for Ireland as he winds down his career. Will go down in history as one of the greatest captains. I am sure that he would have loved to win the WC with Ireland but it was never a possibility that he could achieve that with Ireland


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    #1042
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,179 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    riffmongous wrote: »
    You know how many tournaments and games we've played since then? Of course you do because you've been here following them. Oh wait, 20 posts I see. Here don't let the door hit you on the way out and see you next world cup

    Bless. Look at you searching post history to try and gain the higher ground.

    You've already made your prejudice and inability to recognise facts clear. If you're reverting to post count to try and dismiss someone's argument, you've lost the argument even harder than you thought.


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    #1043
    BBDBB
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    *bookmarks thread for when Eoin gets an inevitable knighthood


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    #1044
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,179 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    blackcard wrote: »
    Delighted for Eoin Morgan, it has been widely acknowledged that he was instrumental in bringing a team from 7/8th in the world to becoming World Champions. Would love to see him back playing for Ireland as he winds down his career. Will go down in history as one of the greatest captains. I am sure that he would have loved to win the WC with Ireland but it was never a possibility that he could achieve that with Ireland

    Nah, he'll never return. He's said so himself in the past. After today, there's a gravy train for him forever more. Not that he needs it on his salary!


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    #1045
    lassykk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭lassykk


    Buer wrote: »
    Nah, he'll never return. He's said so himself in the past. After today, there's a gravy train for him forever more. Not that he needs it on his salary!

    Excuse my ignorance on the topic but how easy is it to switch countries

    It's clearly not like football where once you play competively you can't change.

    Can you just pick whatever country you want in cricket?


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    #1046
    Skid X
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    Nice clip on the RTE News of the crowd in Rush Cricket Club cheering on their former clubmate

    https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/1150501207196098561


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    #1047
    blackcard
    Registered Users Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Buer wrote: »
    blackcard wrote: »
    Delighted for Eoin Morgan, it has been widely acknowledged that he was instrumental in bringing a team from 7/8th in the world to becoming World Champions. Would love to see him back playing for Ireland as he winds down his career. Will go down in history as one of the greatest captains. I am sure that he would have loved to win the WC with Ireland but it was never a possibility that he could achieve that with Ireland

    Nah, he'll never return. He's said so himself in the past. After today, there's a gravy train for him forever more. Not that he needs it on his salary!
    Fair enough but I wouldn't begrudge him being a World Cup winning captain or playing at the highest level. If he remained with Ireland, he would be playing against Scotland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe


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    #1048
    votecounts
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    hawley wrote: »
    Does anyone know what happens with the betting on this game? I backed England this morning, but as there was no draw option to bet on, I'm unsure whether I won the bet or if it counts as a draw.

    I'd be 100% sure that you win that bet.


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    #1049
    BarryD2
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    lassykk wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance on the topic but how easy is it to switch countries

    It's clearly not like football where once you play competively you can't change.

    Can you just pick whatever country you want in cricket?

    As I recall, Eoin went to play for England when we were just an Associate Member (second tier). Ed Joyce went before him too but later came back to Irish team. I could be wrong but essentially the Full Member nations had/ have the option of drawing players from the Associates. Which is/was one way of keeping the Associates in their places! You poach their best players. It'd be a bit like Kilkenny say taking a sh*t hot young hurler from Carlow. But Irl is now a full member.


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    #1050
    riffmongous
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    votecounts wrote: »
    I'd be 100% sure that you win that bet.

    Yep, it might vary company to company but usually it's based on who won/progresses, as long as an actual game took place


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    #1051
    riffmongous
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    I wonder will they take another look at the super over rules before the next World Cup after this? It's a bit odd that there can't be another super over, or something a bit more direct.


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