Catholic Ireland dead? **Mod Warning in Post #563**

lbc2019

With that resounding 87% Yes in the exit poll for the divorce referendum surely that signifies the final nail in Catholic Ireland's coffin?


I for one am delighted.

kenmc

Fingers crossed.

nah

Ireland has long been comfortable being a catholic country that doesn't actually adhere to catholicism

far better if we were honest about it but alas

Edgware

Catholic Ireland may be gone but maybe Christian Ireland has got stronger.
Great community spirit, great support of charities,
greater acceptance of differences. Extremism of any religion, political system is to be avoided

buried

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

branie2

I'm sure practicing Catholic voted yes as well

jaxxx

Catholic Ireland dead? Please God!

whisky_galore

Plenty Bouncy Castle Catholics.

Harry Palmr

buried wrote: »

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

When they have been excavated from the health system and school system we will be able to say Ireland is 'post Catholic'.

yasmina

buried wrote: »

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

Agree.

I'm 'home' nearly a year after being away for 20.
We're in rural Ireland and my kids have gone into a small local primary. They are the only kids in the school of 100 who don't "do religion", or in other words, the only non-catholics. The whole communion/confirmation thing is HUGE. I totally underestimated it. Now I don't think that these families are going to mass regularly outside of this, but I don't really know because I don't be going

On a side note, I have found that in rural Ireland if you don't go to mass or play GAA then you are not really part of the community. Everything revolves around this.

sabat

I'd take the cardinals and bishops over the insidious dykofascist quangistas any day of the week.

lbc2019

They no longer influence laws the way they did - this is a good thing

PCeeeee

yasmina wrote: »

Agree.

I'm 'home' nearly a year after being away for 20.
We're in rural Ireland and my kids have gone into a small local primary. They are the only kids in the school of 100 who don't "do religion", or in other words, the only non-catholics. The whole communion/confirmation thing is HUGE. I totally underestimated it. Now I don't think that these families are going to mass regularly outside of this, but I don't really know because I don't be going

On a side note, I have found that in rural Ireland if you don't go to mass or play GAA then you are not really part of the community. Everything revolves around this.

Personally I like to live where people share my values and I feel part of the community.

gandalf

Until they are fully extracted from our education and health systems then no Catholic Ireland is not dead unfortunately. Not yet anyway but we can continue to work towards a fully secular and inclusive country.

yasmina

PCeeeee wrote: »

Personally I like to live where people share my values and I feel part of the community.

Me too.

Ficheall

It's with O'Leary in the grave.


Nevermind.

King of Kings

I dont see the coorelation between the vote today and being catholic or anything catholic.

We've had divorce here 20plus years..today was just changing a technical piece.
Nothing to do with religion.

The abortion vote though....

Atoms for Peace

I'm agnostic on the whole religion thing but the Catholic Church do put on a good show when it comes to celebration ceremonies and aren't half bad at providing decent education irrespective of socioeconmic class.

Mr. teddywinkles

lbc2019 wrote: »

With that resounding 87% Yes in the exit poll for the divorce referendum surely that signifies the final nail in Catholic Ireland's coffin?


I for one am delighted.

Right so let's create a vacuum for some other new found crap. Never being very religious but ya know what. Better the devil ya know. Ha I made a funny.

freshpopcorn

Traditional Catholic Ireland is dead but modern a la carte Catholic Ireland is going steady enough.

Berserker

yasmina wrote: »

I'm 'home' nearly a year after being away for 20.

We're in rural Ireland and my kids have gone into a small local primary. They are the only kids in the school of 100 who don't "do religion", or in other words, the only non-catholics. The whole communion/confirmation thing is HUGE. I totally underestimated it. Now I don't think that these families are going to mass regularly outside of this, but I don't really know because I don't be going

I've a helicopter lesson voucher that I need to use. Rang the flight centre a few weeks back and the lady on the phone couldn't find a weekend hour slot for me because of the demand from the first communion crowd.

King of Kings wrote: »

I dont see the coorelation between the vote today and being catholic or anything catholic. The abortion vote though....

Neither are a reflection on RC Ireland. I know more pro-lifers that are not religious. My own wife is a born-again Christian but she is pro-choice, pro-LGBT (used to work in a LGBT church when she was young).

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I'm agnostic on the whole religion thing but the Catholic Church do put on a good show when it comes to celebration ceremonies and aren't half bad at providing decent education irrespective of socioeconmic class.

In very high demand in the UK. RCC churches are the where it's at.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Traditional Catholic Ireland is dead but modern a la carte Catholic Ireland is going steady enough.

Summed it up very nicely, if I may say so.

Sonny noggs

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Right so let's create a vacuum for some other new found crap. Never being very religious but ya know what. Better the devil ya know. Ha I made a funny.

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

Cabaal

Edgware wrote: »

Catholic Ireland may be gone but maybe Christian Ireland has got stronger.
Great community spirit, great support of charities,
greater acceptance of differences. Extremism of any religion, political system is to be avoided

Err, you don't have to be a Christian to be nice.

If anything, if you need to believe in God and fear what hell do to you to make you a nice person then in reality you are a dick and not a nice person.

Some people can just be good people without the threat of a god.

Berserker

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

Scientology is starting to get up and running in the greater Dublin area. Signs of life in the new Ideal Org they built. All those free family events are starting to pay dividends for them.

Cabaal

King of Kings wrote: »

I dont see the coorelation between the vote today and being catholic or anything catholic.

We've had divorce here 20plus years..today was just changing a technical piece.
Nothing to do with religion.

The abortion vote though....

You clearly missed out on the massive opposition from the catholic church for the previous divorce referendums (yes there has been more then just this one today and the one that passed it).

It was a fairly nasty ref with bishops and priests not afraid to speak their minds.

The fact so many people are OK with divorce shows that a massive amount of the country are against the church's core beliefs. Repeal the 8th and marriage ref prove this even more.

If you don't believe core catholic beliefs then you are not a Catholic.

Fr_Dougal

lbc2019 wrote: »

Catholic Ireland dead?

No, I is alive. Was watching the Late Late.

Plumbthedepths

Edgware wrote:

Catholic Ireland may be gone but maybe Christian Ireland has got stronger. Great community spirit, great support of charities, greater acceptance of differences. Extremism of any religion, political system is to be avoided

A society displaying compassion and empathy, very little of do with Christianity tbh.

Strumms

Edgware wrote: »

greater acceptance of differences

I think here is where ‘modern Ireland’ has a shîtload of work left to do. Sure things have improved but not to the extent I’d be willing to say I’d be happy with.

The high horse brigade

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When they have been excavated from the health system and school system we will be able to say Ireland is 'post Catholic'.

Need to also remove the prayer from the Dail and rewrite the Constitution as it reads like a prayer book

ChunkyLover54

Cabaal wrote: »

The fact so many people are OK with divorce shows that a massive amount of the country are against the church's core beliefs.

The divorce referendum was in 1995. What does today's referendum have to do with the level of Catholicism in Ireland?

mcmoustache

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

yeah but what about "the left"? Amiright? It's terrible joe. Just terrible.